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Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« on: June 10, 2017, 01:05:03 pm »
Quote from: Rawstory


Republicans have been slow to come out against President Donald Trump but conservative strategist Karl Rove is done.

In a blistering op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Rove said, “Trump lacks the focus or self-discipline to do the basic work required of a president.”

Rove began explaining why Trump’s tweeting doesn’t remove the media barrier between Trump and the citizenry, it consistently undermines his administration and his political agenda. Citing Trump’s tweets calling his executive order a “travel ban,” Rove said the legal strategy defending the ban “lies in tatters.”

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http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/karl-rove-is-done-with-trump-he-lacks-the-focus-or-self-discipline-to-do-the-basic-work-required-of-a-president/

Link to the WSJ original article...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/political-death-by-1-000-tweets-1496875182

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I don't know who I distrust more..Karl Rove or Trump... but probable Karl... I will never forget him talking to La Raza talking about amnesty behind the America public's eye. Karl is no magnificent bastard... just a bastard to the fly over conservatives like me (imho of course)...
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2017, 01:43:27 pm »
I'd call it more of an effort to issue a wake up call then "being done".

He makes some valid points about the damage often done to his Trump's own agenda by unvetted tweeting. The real answer is that Trump needs someone he trusts....and who will tell him no...to screen his tweets BEFORE the go public. The tweets are a powerful tool to control the news cycle, get out his perspective, and...honestly...to push his opponents into acts of absurdity. They can also be a shot to his own foot....so he must find a way to manage the downside of this very potent PR tool.
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2017, 02:16:20 pm »
I'd call it more of an effort to issue a wake up call then "being done".

He makes some valid points about the damage often done to his Trump's own agenda by unvetted tweeting. The real answer is that Trump needs someone he trusts....and who will tell him no...to screen his tweets BEFORE the go public. The tweets are a powerful tool to control the news cycle, get out his perspective, and...honestly...to push his opponents into acts of absurdity. They can also be a shot to his own foot....so he must find a way to manage the downside of this very potent PR tool.

IOWs a 70 y/o child that needs supervision is head of the free world. Sigh....
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2017, 04:36:52 pm »
Yeah?

I was 'Done' with Rove years ago.
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2017, 06:11:08 pm »
Karl Rove is done with Trump



I hate that bastard.   He is the major reason why Bush kept moving left.   Karl Rove thinks he got Bush elected,  but the truth is that Bush got elected *IN SPITE*  of Karl Rove's efforts to wreck him through his stupid moderate outreach crap. 


Karl Rove needed to get off the national stage over a decade ago.   He has never been helpful to fixing the nation's problems. 

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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2017, 06:12:46 pm »
IOWs a 70 y/o child that needs supervision is head of the free world. Sigh....


Much better than a foreign national communist idiot in my opinion.    Throwing darts at a wall would have made a better President than Barack Obama,  or for that matter Hillary Clinton.   


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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2017, 06:21:53 pm »


I hate that bastard.   He is the major reason why Bush kept moving left.   Karl Rove thinks he got Bush elected,  but the truth is that Bush got elected *IN SPITE*  of Karl Rove's efforts to wreck him through his stupid moderate outreach crap. 


Karl Rove needed to get off the national stage over a decade ago.   He has never been helpful to fixing the nation's problems.

He's a progressive and always has been!  He and his buddy Karen Hughes totally f'd up the Bush domestic agenda and I  will never forgive them for that!
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2017, 06:29:44 pm »

Much better than a foreign national communist idiot in my opinion.    Throwing darts at a wall would have made a better President than Barack Obama,  or for that matter Hillary Clinton.   




Or for that matter, Donald Trump. 

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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2017, 06:54:58 pm »
Or for that matter, Donald Trump.


Oh,  another "I hate Trump!"  message crouched in different words.   How mundane.   


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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2017, 06:58:33 pm »
When was he ever with Trump?

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2017, 07:01:06 pm »

Oh,  another "I hate Trump!"  message crouched in different words.   How mundane.   




Whatever.  Another self-defensive snowflake.  Whatever. 

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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2017, 05:42:43 am »
I'd call it more of an effort to issue a wake up call then "being done".

He makes some valid points about the damage often done to his Trump's own agenda by unvetted tweeting. The real answer is that Trump needs someone he trusts....and who will tell him no...to screen his tweets BEFORE the go public. The tweets are a powerful tool to control the news cycle, get out his perspective, and...honestly...to push his opponents into acts of absurdity. They can also be a shot to his own foot....so he must find a way to manage the downside of this very potent PR tool.

I'm not sure about the actual harm done to Trump by his tweets.

They do provide the media with fodder to make fun of him, but have any of his tweets been wrong or libelous to the point of real harm to Trump.

I think his supporters like them, his enemies hate them and the rest of us just look on in wonder.
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2017, 06:40:58 am »
Heh, if Rove is done with Trump, then I'm done with him. Actually, I have been for a long time. That RINO needs to take a bench seat and Fox News needs to dump him. He played no part in getting Trump elected, none whatsoever. The guy's irrelevant
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2017, 06:54:02 am »
I'm not sure about the actual harm done to Trump by his tweets.

Your kidding right, Should we Covfefe it for you.....
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2017, 06:58:37 am »
Heh, if Rove is done with Trump, then I'm done with him. Actually, I have been for a long time. That RINO needs to take a bench seat and Fox News needs to dump him. He played no part in getting Trump elected, none whatsoever. The guy's irrelevant

Rove and Trump definitely have a history... and not a pretty one.... but they did sit down and meet during the election behind closed doors. Rove holds some keys to big donor groups and Trump did give one of Rove's best buddies a nice government position job even thought he did not support Trump. I don't think Rove/Trump got along, but I think they still gritted teeth and came to some arrangement.
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2017, 12:03:21 pm »


I hate that bastard.   He is the major reason why Bush kept moving left.   Karl Rove thinks he got Bush elected,  but the truth is that Bush got elected *IN SPITE*  of Karl Rove's efforts to wreck him through his stupid moderate outreach crap. 


Karl Rove needed to get off the national stage over a decade ago.   He has never been helpful to fixing the nation's problems.

His meltdown on election night 2012 was the only amusing thing to happen that evening.....

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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2017, 12:08:23 pm »
Yeah?

I was 'Done' with Rove years ago.

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2017, 12:18:48 pm »
Rove and Trump definitely have a history... and not a pretty one.... but they did sit down and meet during the election behind closed doors. Rove holds some keys to big donor groups and Trump did give one of Rove's best buddies a nice government position job

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2017, 02:53:31 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2017, 04:07:36 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2017, 04:12:18 pm »
Karl's kind of a hasbeen.  He should just go away and leave giving political advice to the big boys.  Ones that can work a powerpoint presentation on camera.

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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2017, 06:57:58 pm »
+1

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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2017, 07:53:40 pm »
I'd call it more of an effort to issue a wake up call then "being done".

He makes some valid points about the damage often done to his Trump's own agenda by unvetted tweeting. The real answer is that Trump needs someone he trusts....and who will tell him no...to screen his tweets BEFORE the go public. The tweets are a powerful tool to control the news cycle, get out his perspective, and...honestly...to push his opponents into acts of absurdity. They can also be a shot to his own foot....so he must find a way to manage the downside of this very potent PR tool.

Someone needs to 'splain to me what is so horrible about Trump's tweets.

They do make him an easy target for abuse but he was already a target for abuse.

Sometimes, he sounds illiterate but, hey, we knew that.

I think ... on balance ... the tweeting has not really hurt him.
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Re: Karl Rove is done with Trump (snip)
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2017, 07:55:45 pm »
Your kidding right, Should we Covfefe it for you.....

I am not kidding.  And I believe we've shot covfefe to death and are now wasting bullets on its dead carcass.
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