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Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« on: May 30, 2017, 11:26:19 am »
When people you know well, admire, and who share your values do something you strongly oppose, you have two options:

1) Cease admiring them or 2) try to understand them and change their minds.

In the case of my conservative friends who still snipe (or worse) at President Trump, I have rejected option one. The reason -- beside the fact that I simply like many of them -- is what I refer to as "moral bank accounts."

Every time we do good, we make a deposit into our moral bank account. And every time we do something bad, we make a withdrawal. These conservatives have made so many deposits into their moral bank accounts that, in my view, their accounts all remain firmly in the black.

That means my only choice is option two. But to try to change their minds, I must first try to understand their thinking.

I have concluded that there are a few reasons that explain conservatives who were Never-Trumpers during the election, and who remain anti-Trump today.

The first and, by far, the greatest reason is this: They do not believe that America is engaged in a civil war, with the survival of America as we know it at stake.


read more at https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2017/05/30/why-conservatives-still-attack-trump-n2332924

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2017, 11:34:51 am »

The first and, by far, the greatest reason is this: They do not believe that America is engaged in a civil war, with the survival of America as we know it at stake.


Oh, baloney. Conservatives have been fighting this fight my whole life, and haven't stopped yet.

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2017, 11:41:50 am »
Hmmm, yeah, I guess it has nothing to do with his at-times idiotic behavior or bad policy choices. 

And certainly it has nothing to do with exercising one's Constitutional right to criticize the president. 

It all comes down to "hate" doesn't it. 

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2017, 11:48:33 am »
Hmmm, yeah, I guess it has nothing to do with his at-times idiotic behavior or bad policy choices. 

And certainly it has nothing to do with exercising one's Constitutional right to criticize the president. 

It all comes down to "hate" doesn't it.

Meh... Liberals have been calling me a hater my whole life. Moderate Republicans picked it up during the Romney debacle, and on it goes.

I don't care. There are many fronts in this war... And since I can't support Republicans, or the dingbat they elected, I will just put my efforts elsewhere.

The article was hilarious, however... And ends with a plea to report for duty... ROTFLMAO.
Not gonna happen.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2017, 11:54:49 am »
Hmmm, yeah, I guess it has nothing to do with his at-times idiotic behavior or bad policy choices. 

And certainly it has nothing to do with exercising one's Constitutional right to criticize the president. 

It all comes down to "hate" doesn't it.
What I seem to get from it is that the author has a seriously twisted view of the world: without Trump, it's a post-apocalyptic nightmare of smoldering ruins of what used to be 'Murica, and Trump is a messianic figure such that only he can save us from the evil that is "The Left." With this mindset, all Trump does is presented in the best way possible.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2017, 11:55:47 am »
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Finally, these people are only human: After investing so much energy in opposing Trump's election, and after predicting his nomination would lead to electoral disaster, it's hard to for them to admit they were wrong. To see him fulfill many of his conservative election promises, again in defiance of predictions, is a bitter pill. But if they hang on to their Never-Trumpism and the president falls on his face, they can say they were right all along.

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2017, 12:17:01 pm »
Meh... Liberals have been calling me a hater my whole life. Moderate Republicans picked it up during the Romney debacle, and on it goes.

I don't care. There are many fronts in this war... And since I can't support Republicans, or the dingbat they elected, I will just put my efforts elsewhere.

The article was hilarious, however... And ends with a plea to report for duty... ROTFLMAO.
Not gonna happen.


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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2017, 12:30:51 pm »

The article was hilarious, however... And ends with a plea to report for duty... ROTFLMAO.  Not gonna happen.

No, the article is not hilarious.  It is spot on.  But do tell us @roamer_1 , how is it conservative to stand down in such a civil war as we are in ---- and sit in a corner snickering and hoping our general fails?  Which conservative principle is this?

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2017, 12:31:51 pm »
No, the article is not hilarious.  It is spot on.  But do tell us @roamer_1 , how is it conservative to stand down in such a civil war as we are in ---- and sit in a corner snickering and hoping our general fails?  Which conservative principle is this?

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2017, 12:31:57 pm »
What I seem to get from it is that the author has a seriously twisted view of the world: without Trump, it's a post-apocalyptic nightmare of smoldering ruins of what used to be 'Murica, and Trump is a messianic figure such that only he can save us from the evil that is "The Left." With this mindset, all Trump does is presented in the best way possible.
Exactly. Trumpophiles have created a false dichotomy that serves their need for a Great Leader. Theirs is a world of binary choices and affiliations that purposefully ignores actual reality - whose shades of color, imperfections, and messy little details invite honest criticism and intellectual discrimination.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2017, 12:32:51 pm »
Oh, baloney. Conservatives have been fighting this fight my whole life, and haven't stopped yet.
Goldwater vs the Rockefeller Republicans. SSDD. Oh, and against the liberals, communists, and socialists, and anarchists, totalitarians of every stripe, too.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2017, 12:32:53 pm »
What I seem to get from it is that the author has a seriously twisted view of the world: without Trump, it's a post-apocalyptic nightmare of smoldering ruins of what used to be 'Murica, and Trump is a messianic figure such that only he can save us from the evil that is "The Left." With this mindset, all Trump does is presented in the best way possible.

In other words, a typical Trump supporter. 

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2017, 12:34:58 pm »
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What?  Have you run out of snickers?

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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2017, 12:39:08 pm »
What?  Have you run out of snickers?

On to Almond Joy today.  Then popcorn later on to watch the daily Trump screw-up parade.  His incompetence is a gift that keeps on giving. 

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2017, 12:42:23 pm »
No, the article is not hilarious.  It is spot on.  But do tell us @roamer_1 , how is it conservative to stand down in such a civil war as we are in ---- and sit in a corner snickering and hoping our general fails?  Which conservative principle is this?
If you want to have a Civil War, who are you fighting? Conservatives or Liberals? We're the Conservatives, and when we think the wrong action is being taken we'll say so. The Democrats are the other way.

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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2017, 12:42:33 pm »
On to Almond Joy today.  Then popcorn later on to watch the daily Trump screw-up parade.  His incompetence is a gift that keeps on giving.

Let me help you .... Donald Trump won the nomination.  Donald Trump dropped an electoral house on the wicked witch.  You were wrong.  I hope you find some peace with this truth and get back in the right fight.



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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2017, 12:46:41 pm »
They are the conservatives that stand with Planned Parenthood, they are the conservatives who get nothing done; might as well call them Democrats and Liberals. They are disgraceful.

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2017, 12:53:08 pm »
Meh... Liberals have been calling me a hater my whole life. Moderate Republicans picked it up during the Romney debacle, and on it goes.

I don't care. There are many fronts in this war... And since I can't support Republicans, or the dingbat they elected, I will just put my efforts elsewhere.

The article was hilarious, however... And ends with a plea to report for duty... ROTFLMAO.
Not gonna happen.
The line that got me was the bit about "America as we know it". That isn't the America I want to save, I want "America as it was intended to be", which would take backing off of roughly 114 years of unconstitutional crap. That is the America I have been fighting for all along, not the liberal/socialist policy-infected patient we have today, but a healthy and robust America with a lot more Liberty.
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Re: Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2017, 12:56:12 pm »
Let me help you .... Donald Trump won the nomination.  Donald Trump dropped an electoral house on the wicked witch.  You were wrong.  I hope you find some peace with this truth and get back in the right fight.
The voters rejected Hillary in sufficient numbers in enough places that Trump won the election.
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 12:56:56 pm »
They are the conservatives that stand with Planned Parenthood, they are the conservatives who get nothing done; might as well call them Democrats and Liberals. They are disgraceful.

I am a conservative and you are accusing me of supporting PP..how dare you!

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2017, 12:57:48 pm »
Let me help you .... Donald Trump won the nomination.  Donald Trump dropped an electoral house on the wicked witch.  You were wrong.  I hope you find some peace with this truth and get back in the right fight.





I am in the right fight: calling out stupidity and nonsense without partisan hypocrisy. 
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2017, 01:04:13 pm »
I am a conservative and you are accusing me of supporting PP..how dare you!

This is what happens when a Trump supporter paints with too broad a brush.
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2017, 01:05:02 pm »
I am in the right fight: calling out stupidity and nonsense without partisan hypocrisy.

Respectfully, no you are not.  You can keep telling yourself you're acting out of a superior moral compass; but, in truth, you're simply acting out.

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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2017, 01:10:06 pm »
Comment on the article, comment on any elected official you like, just don't make it personal against any TBR poster. Thank you for your support.  :beer:

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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2017, 01:10:29 pm »
They are the conservatives that stand with Planned Parenthood, they are the conservatives who get nothing done; might as well call them Democrats and Liberals. They are disgraceful.
Incredible. Incontinent prevarication seems to be a personal forte with you.
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