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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2017, 06:18:38 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on May 22, 2017, 05:47:08 pm
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I think whatever he is hiding includes something about Trump.  I think that is why Trump tried to shut down the investigation of Flynn.  I came to that conclusion a few days ago as I couldn't understand why Trump was protecting Flynn as he doesn't give a flip about anyone but himself.  So, he is protecting himself when he doesn't want Flynn's investigation to keep going.

Trump's either guilty or he's handling it horribly. I am guessing it's the latter. That's just what Trump does, if he senses he's under attack, he attacks back, damn the consequences.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2017, 06:23:22 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on May 22, 2017, 06:12:16 pm
As you well know, the problem with Learner's invoking the 5th is that she made a LONG statement before she did it!

Which.... kind of negated the whole point of invoking the 5th.... usually and unless you're a special person with a magic "D" beside your name.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2017, 06:24:29 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 22, 2017, 06:18:38 pm
Trump's either guilty or he's handling it horribly. I am guessing it's the latter. That's just what Trump does, if he senses he's under attack, he attacks back, damn the consequences.

Wow.  I'm shocked.   I would have thought that you'd be saying it's both.   :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2017, 06:36:07 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on May 22, 2017, 06:24:29 pm
Wow.  I'm shocked.   I would have thought that you'd be saying it's both.   :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2017, 06:41:15 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on May 22, 2017, 06:12:16 pm
As you well know, the problem with Learner's invoking the 5th is that she made a LONG statement before she did it!

Which, as Trey Gowdy pointed out at the time, amounted to her waiving the Fifth.  Too bad he caved and let it go.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2017, 06:43:00 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 22, 2017, 06:41:15 pm
Which, as Trey Gowdy pointed out at the time, amounted to her waiving the Fifth.  Too bad he caved and let it go.

Yes, damnit!
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2017, 06:43:38 pm »
Rush is talking about the Seth Rich death right now.  Says this story is getting legs, which means, I guess, that Rush is one of those "bomb throwers"...lolol.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2017, 06:44:53 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but by procedure, the 5th Amendment doesn't protect you from appearing via a subpoena summons, only from testifying against yourself. He still has to appear and simply not answer questions he feels will be testimony against himself.

IE, he can't decline the subpoena, he can just choose to keep his mouth shut when he arrives.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2017, 06:48:11 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on May 22, 2017, 06:12:16 pm
As you well know, the problem with Learner's invoking the 5th is that she made a LONG statement before she did it!

Maybe a private citizen/taxpayer/entity can sue her in civil court for damages.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2017, 06:52:09 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on May 22, 2017, 06:44:53 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but by procedure, the 5th Amendment doesn't protect you from appearing via a subpoena summons, only from testifying against yourself. He still has to appear and simply not answer questions he feels will be testimony against himself.

IE, he can't decline the subpoena, he can just choose to keep his mouth shut when he arrives.

That is the way I understand it as well.  It looks like the committee is willing to "deem" it and let him not show.  If it were me on the committee, I'd want him to come in so the world can watch him take the fifth a bunch of times.

It's like the Filibuster in the Senate.  If the majority doesn't have the 60 votes, they don't even try, and "deem" the bill dead.  This benefits the chickenslips on all sides because the public never gets to see a vote.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2017, 06:53:25 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on May 22, 2017, 06:48:11 pm
Maybe a private citizen/taxpayer/entity can sue her in civil court for damages.

If somebody can get past the liberal Judges waiting with their "No Standing" rubber stamp.  Seems to me there are cases out there.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2017, 06:58:47 pm »
Quote from: Just_Victor on May 22, 2017, 06:36:07 pm
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2017, 07:03:01 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 22, 2017, 06:58:47 pm
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2017, 07:13:51 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 22, 2017, 06:52:09 pm
That is the way I understand it as well.  It looks like the committee is willing to "deem" it and let him not show.  If it were me on the committee, I'd want him to come in so the world can watch him take the fifth a bunch of times.

It's like the Filibuster in the Senate.  If the majority doesn't have the 60 votes, they don't even try, and "deem" the bill dead.  This benefits the chickenslips on all sides because the public never gets to see a vote.

Not to mention he may be asked questions in committee that don't translate to testimony against himself. For example, what is the department's procedure about something, what did you have for breakfast, what is your favorite color.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2017, 07:19:01 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on May 22, 2017, 07:13:51 pm
Not to mention he may be asked questions in committee that don't translate to testimony against himself. For example, what is the department's procedure about something, what did you have for breakfast, what is your favorite color.

It reminds me of the new "no-pitch intentional walk" in Baseball.  I hate it because it cuts off any unexpected events like a wild pitch or a passed ball, which screws over any runners that may be on base.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2017, 07:24:07 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 22, 2017, 06:58:47 pm
I was taken to the woodshed last night by the mods for referring to forumers as "buttholes", so I need to be on my best behavior.  :tongue2:

So.... they want you to stop projecting then?   :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2017, 07:44:05 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 22, 2017, 06:58:47 pm
I was taken to the woodshed last night by the mods for referring to forumers as "buttholes", so I need to be on my best behavior.  :tongue2:

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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2017, 07:46:17 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on May 22, 2017, 07:24:07 pm
So.... they want you to stop projecting then?   :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:

Indeed.


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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2017, 07:56:40 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on May 22, 2017, 05:47:08 pm
@Oceander

I think whatever he is hiding includes something about Trump.  I think that is why Trump tried to shut down the investigation of Flynn.  I came to that conclusion a few days ago as I couldn't understand why Trump was protecting Flynn as he doesn't give a flip about anyone but himself.  So, he is protecting himself when he doesn't want Flynn's investigation to keep going.

I agree. Don't forget that Flynn asked for immunity in exchange for some information. It's possible that he does have something damning or it's also possible that no one thought the information was worth the immunity exchange.

I think that Trump was very concerned about this Russian investigation and the investigation of Flynn for several reasons. One of them being that he was aware of what Flynn had done and gave him a very sensitive job in his administration.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2017, 08:10:51 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on May 22, 2017, 02:10:03 pm
So, when Lois Lerner invoked the 5th, it was evidence of her guilt and perfidy.  But when Flynn invokes the 5th, it's evidence of his innocence?

That's nuts.  Flynn has something to hide.

What will really be interesting is if he's allowed to read a statement, then plead the 5th, as she did.
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Re: BREAKING: AP Source says Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2017, 10:07:49 pm »
Maybe he has a prior engagement as a security guard at the Turkish embassy
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