Gallup: Americans’ views on most moral issues now more liberal to a record extent

[driftdiver]

That's a lie.  Here's the post to which you responded with your charge of "hate"

I didn't "condemn all Christians",  I called out "many of the more judgmental Christians here" for condemning my gay neighbors to hell while ignoring the Bible's teaching that their own marriage is a lifetime commitment.   That's hypocrisy, sir.   But the problem is obviously far more than just Christians -  divorce is seen by most as par for the course, and a lifetime commitment to a partner is seen by too many as a quaint relic.   

There is nothing harder - and more rewarding - than making a marriage work over the long term.  Many of those I know who HAVE made it work are indeed Christians.   

@Jazzhead
Its not a lie.   You were condeming all Christians.   I havent seen you ever post something condemning the Muslim religion despite all the evil they do.   Now you say thats only because Muslims arent on this board?   pffft baloooney

Homesexuality is a self-destructive behavior.  They are doing things to their bodies for which it was not design (or evolved).  They are by definition and abnormality within our culture because they are only 2% of the population.   

Americans have been conditioned by haters like you to think gay relationships are acceptable, only because they are viciously attacked if they say otherwise.   They've been properly indoctrinated.   That doesn't make it right or normal.

[Jazzhead]

Funny thing about right and wrong, they aren't up for a vote.

If you are in a room with 99 other people and they vote to take your stuff, strip you naked and kick you out in the snow, does that make it "right"?

Evil does not become less evil because more people are doing it or support it, it just becomes more commonplace.

That you equate a monogamous relationship between two people as "evil" leaves it unnecessary for me to explain further my antipathy towards judgmental, hypocritical Christians.   Tend to your own house, sir.   

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
Its not a lie.   You were condeming all Christians. 

Bullspit.  I was criticizing (not "condemning") the hypocrites.   Among that 63% that believe a gay relationship isn't morally wrong are a whole lot of Christians.   

[driftdiver]

Bullspit.  I was criticizing (not "condemning") the hypocrites.   Among that 63% that believe a gay relationship isn't morally wrong are a whole lot of Christians.   

Don't be a hater.   Its not cool to be so intolerant of other people just because of their views.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
  I havent seen you ever post something condemning the Muslim religion despite all the evil they do.   Now you say thats only because Muslims arent on this board?   pffft baloooney

Why should I condemn the "Muslim religion"?   I have nothing against the Muslim religion - but then again I have nothing against the Christian religion either.   I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic.    I admire Jesus Christ like I do no other - and my disaffection stems solely from certain "Christians" acting in ways that would, at least in my opinion, appall the Prince of Peace.

 

[Smokin Joe]

That you equate a monogamous relationship between two people as "evil" leaves it unnecessary for me to explain further my antipathy towards judgmental, hypocritical Christians.   Tend to your own house, sir.   

You can have a monogamous relationship with your pet goat, too, but that won't make it "right". Who are you who would pollute my house with your lies to tell me to tend just to mine? Besides, Matt 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." and that includes even you. May He Bless you with knowledge.

[Jazzhead]

Don't be a hater.   Its not cool to be so intolerant of other people just because of their views.

WTF?   Why should I be tolerant of those whose hypocrisy disgusts me?  (And who call me evil, wicked and the minion of Satan for daring to suggest tolerance of homosexuals who wish to marry).  You sound like a liberal with such foolishness.   I love the Christian religion - my issues are with the judgmental hypocrites.   

[INVAR]

You can have a monogamous relationship with your pet goat, too, but that won't make it "right". Who are you who would pollute my house with your lies to tell me to tend just to mine?

The Hindus and Muslims in the third world will tell you that child marriages are monogamous and "good" and their cultures and societies see practices we consider to be evil, as permissible and even preferred. Stealing and swindling someone is considered 'cleverness' and encouraged.  Beating an old widow to death because her shadow touched a man is said to be a societal necessity. 

How we define what is 'right' and 'wrong' in this country is from a biblical construct that your pal here rejects wholesale.  Except of course for the parts he can quote to promote wickedness and Socialism from his perverted viewpoint.

[XenaLee]

Funny thing about right and wrong, they aren't up for a vote.

If you are in a room with 99 other people and they vote to take your stuff, strip you naked and kick you out in the snow, does that make it "right"?

Evil does not become less evil because more people are doing it or support it, it just becomes more commonplace.

Exactly!

 

[XenaLee]

The Hindus and Muslims in the third world will tell you that child marriages are monogamous and "good" and their cultures and societies see practices we consider to be evil, as permissible and even preferred. Stealing and swindling someone is considered 'cleverness' and encouraged.  Beating an old widow to death because her shadow touched a man is said to be a societal necessity. 

How we define what is 'right' and 'wrong' in this country is from a biblical construct that your pal here rejects wholesale.  Except of course for the parts he can quote to promote wickedness and Socialism from his perverted viewpoint.

Uhhh.....

that's not his pal.

[Cyber Liberty]

Leftist political operators seem to have this notion that things like Science and Religion are subject to opinion polls.  If enough people answer a question on a poll, then that's what the science is, or that's what morality should be.  That's insane.

I like @Smokin Joe's analogy:  If you're in a room with 99 people, and they vote to strip you and throw you naked in the snow, does that make it OK?  It is good to remember the classical definition of a "democracy":  Three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

[INVAR]

Uhhh.....

that's not his pal.

He knows that.  It's our term of endearment for him who is diametrically opposed to just about every issue a Conservative would identify with.

[geronl]

@Jazzhead  reminds me of the many people who forget about the "go and sin no more" thing when they use the "he who casts the first stone" crap.

[Suppressed]

@Jazzhead
Its not a lie.   You were condeming all Christians.

@driftdiver It's disappointing to see you make such a false claim.  @Jazzhead specifically referenced hypocrites.

[Cyber Liberty]

@driftdiver It's disappointing to see you make such a false claim.  @Jazzhead specifically referenced hypocrites.

It's not that much of a leap when you've read JH for a while.  He finds hypocrisy in every Christian he's conversed with on the subject.  But what do I know, I'm a "disgrace." 

[Cripplecreek]

I wonder what a poll of Romans would say about Jesus?

Polls conducted by the light of flaming Christians.

[INVAR]

It's disappointing to see you make such a false claim.  @Jazzhead specifically referenced hypocrites.

He has made it clear in past arguments that disagreeing with his positions and pro-Homosexual agenda is hypocrisy in itself if one identifies as a Christian.  He has asserted there is nothing immoral about homosexuality, only infidelity - even though scripture plainly states homosexuality is an abomination, and no Christian on this board has defended adultery.

[mirraflake]

That alone should be a red flag that this poll is a bucket of shit. If divorce is so accepted, why is it at a 40 year low?

It could be I don't want to get divorced, won't marry a divorced person but if other people do it that's ok with me. Just like gay people, gay sex or gay marriage.

@Frank Cannon

[Cyber Liberty]

It could be I don't want to get divorced, won't marry a divorced person but if other people do it that's ok with me. Just like gay people, gay sex or gay marriage.

@Frank Cannon

I think it's economics.  The threshold for breaking up is higher if both need each others' income.  Such is life in the age of two incomes by necessity.

[geronl]

Remember that Trump coined the phrase "He who casts the first stone..."

[ABX]

As I'm sure most are aware and a couple noted, there are two different ways to view this.
1. More 'liberal' based on accepting or promoting behaviors that we disagree with.
2. More 'liberal' in the classical liberal sense which is that governemnt has no place involving itself in the matter.

One can answer many of these questions/issues with #2 in that they don't think it is the government's role to be involved in or policing said matters (either at all or to the extent of extreme federal involvement versus state/local issue) and they stil will be assumed to be in category #1 listed above.

Believing government has no role in someting or shouldn't be policing something does not equate to agreeing or personally accepting something.

I bet most here, if the quesion were phrased a certain way, would fall into the #2 camp above for most of these issues, but still be classified as 'liberal' by the poll.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver It's disappointing to see you make such a false claim.  @Jazzhead specifically referenced hypocrites.

@Suppressed

Its disappointing to see you makes excuses for him

[Suppressed]

@Suppressed

Its disappointing to see you makes excuses for him

@driftdiver
No excuses.  I'm just in favor of honest assessment, even when I disagree.

@Jazzhead wrote of Christians who are okay with divorce but not okay with homosexuality issues.  Are you saying that describes all Christians?  If not, then he wasn't writing about all Christians, the way I read it.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Remember that Trump coined the phrase "He who casts the first stone..."

What happened to @MeshugeMikey  anyway?

[geronl]

@driftdiver
@Jazzhead wrote of Christians who are okay with divorce but not okay with homosexuality issues.  Are you saying that describes all Christians?  If not, then he wasn't writing about all Christians, the way I read it.

Maybe I missed all the DIVORCE Pride marches and the pro-divorce propagandizing of children.