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Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill

Posted at 9:30 am on May 9, 2017 by Susan Wright


Senator Ted Cruz is working behind the scenes with a group of fellow senators on another version of the Obamacare replacement bill.

The alternative bill would allow cross-state insurance purchases, health savings accounts, the expansion of association health plans, and would include medical malpractice reform.

In an interview with the Washington Examiner, Senator Cruz explained that with this alternative, it could potentially be passed with only one bill, rather than the two that are being promoted by House Republican leadership.

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Cruz said he has been working for weeks with the now-thirteen member group of GOP senators on an Obamacare repeal and replacement plan that would eliminate the need for a second phase of legislation to replace failing healthcare law. Instead of a limited repeal and replace bill followed by another bill later, the GOP wish-list for replacing Obamacare would be packed into a single budget resolution to repeal Obamacare that could pass with only GOP support using a tool called reconciliation.

“I believe the only meaningful healthcare reform will be through reconciliation,” Cruz told the Washington Examiner in an interview.
What is in place now is a three-piece plan, beginning with limited repeal and replace.

Secondly, the bulk portion of the repeal and replace plan takes place, with the follow-up third part being handled by the Trump administration.

Cruz (rightly) raises the concern that the plan can’t make it past the second phase, simply because it would be too difficult to get the necessary Democrat votes.

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“Senate Democrats are listening to their radical left wing base of their party and so no health care reform legislation will garner 60 votes because there are not eight senators who will vote for any of the legislation,” Cruz said.

“I think the answer, very simply, is to put it all in one bucket,” Cruz added. In other words, pass everything under reconciliation, which requires only 51 votes instead of the typical 60.
But can it be done? Is it allowable?

Cruz thinks so.


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http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/05/09/ted-cruz-spearheads-another-obamacare-repeal-replace-bill/

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 03:25:30 pm »
            Back away from that cliff as @Right_in_Virginia loves to say.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 03:34:10 pm »
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The alternative bill would allow cross-state insurance purchases, health savings accounts, the expansion of association health plans, and would include medical malpractice reform.

What?  I'd be free to choose?

Well I just wouldn't know what to do with myself.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2017, 03:36:39 pm »
 :cheerlead:

Tell 'em red state.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2017, 03:41:44 pm »
Doh, 51 votes on reconciliation; these are shore things ya'll didn't previously know.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2017, 04:10:03 pm »
Good for Ted.  If the Susan Collins types are going to be putting forth their "moderate" version of a bill, then we absolutely need guys like Cruz to put forth a conservative version.  Even if Ted's bill ends up not having the votes to pass, it will still shift the center of the debate in a more conservative direction than where it would be if the only two options on the table are the House bill, and Collin's bill.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2017, 04:11:21 pm »
Cruz: The leader we COULD have had.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2017, 04:46:35 pm »
Cruz: The leader we COULD have had.

Yes, but the way I look at it is now when Cruz speaks people listen.  People know who he is and people know he's the real deal.  When he walked back into the Senate after his loss to Trump; he was applauded.  He's asked questions now, because his opinion matters.  It wasn't that way a year ago.  Do the DEMS still hate him?  You bet.  The RINO's are learning that they need to tolerate him.  They also know without him, Trump would have likely lost to Hillary.  Many of his supporters voted for him (reluctantly) after Cruz stated he was voting for him to place a conservative judge on SCOTUS and to stop Hillary.  Interesting don't you think, that so far, appointing a conservative to the bench is one promise Trump kept?  Thank-you Ted!
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2017, 04:58:31 pm »
Cruz: The leader we COULD have had.

Nah.  People would rather have the celebrity. 

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2017, 05:00:33 pm »
What?  I'd be free to choose?

Well I just wouldn't know what to do with myself.

Not to worry. Those ideas make too much sense -- which is why they won't pass. 

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2017, 05:05:45 pm »
Yes, but the way I look at it is now when Cruz speaks people listen.  People know who he is and people know he's the real deal.  When he walked back into the Senate after his loss to Trump; he was applauded.  He's asked questions now, because his opinion matters.  It wasn't that way a year ago.  Do the DEMS still hate him?  You bet.  The RINO's are learning that they need to tolerate him.  They also know without him, Trump would have likely lost to Hillary.  Many of his supporters voted for him (reluctantly) after Cruz stated he was voting for him to place a conservative judge on SCOTUS and to stop Hillary.  Interesting don't you think, that so far, appointing a conservative to the bench is one promise Trump kept?  Thank-you Ted!

It would have been better for all of those things to be true of our POTUS, instead of Texas' Senator.
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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2017, 06:58:02 pm »
   If anyone's been wondering who is on this 'Senate working group' as I have, here's a few more clues compliments of the NYT

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The Senate Republican working group on health care includes the party’s top leaders, as well as three committee chairmen and two of the most conservative senators, Ted Cruz of Texas and Mike Lee of Utah.

Mr. McConnell’s decision to include himself and his top three lieutenants — but not Ms. Collins, Ms. Murkowski or more junior women Republicans like Deb Fischer of Nebraska and Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia — speaks volumes about his direction and has raised eyebrows.

“The leaders have the right to choose whomever they wish,” Ms. Collins said Monday. “It doesn’t mean that I’m not going to work on health care.

“I’ve worked on health care for many years,” she continued. “I spent five years in state government overseeing the Bureau of Insurance many years ago, and I think I can bring some experience to the debate that will be helpful.”

By excluding Ms. Collins and Mr. Cassidy, perhaps viewed as potential troublemakers for the bill, Senate leaders may have inadvertently created a dangerous alliance. The two senators now have no obligation to fall in line behind the working group’s final product and will almost surely continue to work on their own ideas. Together, they and their allies could hold near-veto power.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/08/us/politics/women-health-care-senate.html?_r=0

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 07:09:34 pm »
Two comments....

One..... Go, Ted, go!!!   The voice of reason and sanity is desperately needed in the GOP right now.

Two..... Is that like being a little bit pregnant?  If so, can you have a "limited pregnancy"?  lolol

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What is in place now is a three-piece plan, beginning with limited repeal and replace.
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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2017, 07:14:52 pm »
Cruz's plan is good, but DOA.  If anything, the senate will water down what the house passed, not improve it. At least, that is my prediction.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2017, 07:16:55 pm »
            Back away from that cliff as @Right_in_Virginia loves to say.



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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2017, 08:21:42 pm »
does the new bill actually repeal ObamaCare?

because the other ones don't.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2017, 08:25:57 pm »
does the new bill actually repeal ObamaCare?

because the other ones don't.

   Sen. Cruz has indicated that is his DESIRE-REPEAL, first and foremost, but it hasn't even gotten out of the Senate Republican working group yet (and may not), so it's anyone's guess right now @geronl
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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2017, 08:45:18 pm »
GOP senator: ‘The public wants every dime they can be given’

By Mark Hensch - 05/09/17 04:36 PM EDT 



Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) says that repealing ObamaCare may prove difficult as “the public wants every dime they can be given.”

“Let’s face it, once you get them on the dole, they’ll take every dime they can,” he said Tuesday, according to CNN. "We’ve got to find some way of getting things under control or this country and your future is going to be gone.”

Hatch was leaving a meeting of the Senate healthcare working group, which is trying to craft legislation for repealing ObamaCare that can pass the upper chamber.

The Utah Republican is the Senate Finance Committee chairman overseeing Medicaid and other healthcare issues.
Hatch is one of 13 Republicans participating in a special Senate working group to forge legislation for repealing and replacing ObamaCare.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) created the group, which has been criticized for not initially including any women.

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.) joined the group Tuesday
, but it is unclear whether she is a permanent addition.


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http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/health-reform-implementation/332598-gop-senator-the-public-wants-every-dime-they

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2017, 09:08:11 pm »
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“Let’s face it, once you get them on the dole, they’ll take every dime they can,” he said Tuesday

You betcha.  How about you get the government off my back because it would equal a big raise for me.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2017, 09:12:29 pm »
GOP senator: ‘The public wants every dime they can be given’

By Mark Hensch - 05/09/17 04:36 PM EDT 



Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) says that repealing ObamaCare may prove difficult as “the public wants every dime they can be given.”


Well, isn't that 'cause you bastards only want to listen to the grifters and parasites? Theres alot more of us who would be much obliged if you and your blood sucking clients would pull your hand OUT of our pockets for a change.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2017, 09:23:35 pm »
Let’s face it, once you get them on the dole, they’ll take every dime they can,” he said Tuesday, according to CNN. "We’ve got to find some way of getting things under control or this country and your future is going to be gone.”

True, but not exactly right. From experience, it is far easier on the bottom of the barrel than one rung up. The system's design ensnares you, and keeps you dependent. It is extremely difficult to climb up those first few rungs, and fraught with peril - And all the while, the comfort that you know, lies beckoning, just below.

In part, that must be expected. Folks that absolutely CAN'T should be able to be comfortable - The disabled should not be beaten down because they cannot climb out. Their reliance upon charity is justified. And since everyone who is down is treated the same, that necessary comfort, afforded to the disabled, is 'enjoyed' by all.

Again, by my experience, any meaningful reform of that system needs to encourage folks to climb back out. Not by the stick, but by the carrot.

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Re: Ted Cruz Spearheads Another Obamacare Repeal And Replace Bill
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2017, 09:30:36 pm »
   Finally:

Members of Senate leadership

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas

Sen. John Thune of South Dakota

Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming

Committee chairmen

HELP Chairman Lamar Alexander of Tennessee

Budget Chairman Mike Enzi of Wyoming

Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch of Utah

Conservatives

Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas

Sen. Mike Lee of Utah

Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas

Moderate-leaning

Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado

Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio

Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2017, 09:35:55 pm »
   Looks like TEXAS and UTAH are gonna run away with this process being they have almost 30% of the delegates, we can only hope, Cornyn is a BIG if.
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