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Trump Has a Dangerous Disability
« on: May 06, 2017, 01:09:54 pm »
By George F. Will
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-a-dangerous-disability/2017/05/03/56ca6118-2f6b-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.08e5751cf650

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It is urgent for Americans to think and speak clearly about President Trump’s inability to do either. This seems to be
not a mere disinclination but a disability. It is not merely the result of intellectual sloth but of an untrained mind bereft of
information and married to stratospheric self-confidence.

In February, acknowledging Black History Month, Trump said that “Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done
an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice.” Because Trump is syntactically challenged, it was possible
and tempting to see this not as a historical howler about a man who died 122 years ago, but as just another of Trump’s verbal
fender benders, this one involving verb tenses.

Now, however, he has instructed us that Andrew Jackson was angry about the Civil War that began 16 years after Jackson’s
death. Having, let us fancifully imagine, considered and found unconvincing William Seward’s 1858 judgment that the approaching
Civil War was “an irrepressible conflict,” Trump says:

“People don’t realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there the
Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?”

Library shelves groan beneath the weight of books asking questions about that war’s origins, so who, one wonders, are these
“people” who don’t ask the questions that Trump evidently thinks have occurred to him uniquely? Presumably they are not the
astute “lot of,” or at least “some,” people Trump referred to when speaking about his February address to a joint session of
Congress: “A lot of people have said that, some people said it was the single best speech ever made in that chamber.” Which
demotes Winston Churchill, among many others.

What is most alarming (and mortifying to the University of Pennsylvania, from which he graduated) is not that Trump has
entered his eighth decade unscathed by even elementary knowledge about the nation’s history. As this column has said before,
the problem isn’t that he does not know this or that, or that he does not know that he does not know this or that. Rather, the
dangerous thing is that he does not know what it is to know something . . .


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Re: Trump Has a Dangerous Disability
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 01:16:37 pm »
They don't call them "the great unwashed masses" for nothing.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 01:42:53 pm »
The writer could have saved a lot of time by simply stating that Trump is an idiot and his fans who refuse to question or confront him are probably idiots too.

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an untrained mind bereft of information and married to stratospheric self-confidence.

Yep, that describes Trump perfectly

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2017, 01:56:28 pm »
The writer could have saved a lot of time by simply stating that Trump is an idiot and his fans who refuse to question or confront him are probably idiots too.

NOW I know! What adjust for windage means....
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2017, 02:07:12 pm »
The writer could have saved a lot of time by simply stating that Trump is an idiot and his fans who refuse to question or confront him are probably idiots too.

Yeah, but he probably didn't because he didn't want to unnecessarily alienate a good portion of people with conservative leanings.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2017, 02:08:20 pm »
@Cripplecreek

As I said months ago:

Excerpt  From Washington Post:
"When is it okay to say the president might be nuts?
Is Trump nuts, ill-informed or a liar — or all three?

Until now, people who could have shed light on a president’s mental state were professionally hindered from doing so. The so-called Goldwater Rule — named for the late Sen. Barry Goldwater, whom some psychiatrists took to calling crazy because of his foreign policy views — admonishes medical professionals not to opine on the mental health of people whom they had not examined. In the context of Trump, however, there has been some buzz about doing away with the rule on the grounds that psychiatrists should be able to give their best medical judgment to “warn” the public.

Lance Dodes, a retired assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, believes that, in this instance, the Goldwater rule is outweighed by another ethical commitment: a “duty to warn” others when he assesses that a person might harm them. Dodes told me, “Trump is going to face challenges from people who are not going to bend to his will. If you have a President who takes it as a personal attack on him, which he does, and flies into a paranoid rage, that’s how you start a war.”

Like many of his colleagues, Dodes speculates that Trump fits the description of someone with malignant narcissism, which is characterized by grandiosity, a need for admiration, sadism, and a tendency toward unrealistic fantasies. On February 13th, in a letter to the [New York] Times, Dodes and thirty-four other mental-health professionals wrote, 'We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer.'"
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2017, 02:19:04 pm »
@Cripplecreek

As I said months ago:

Excerpt  From Washington Post:
"When is it okay to say the president might be nuts?
Is Trump nuts, ill-informed or a liar — or all three?
@Victoria33
People have been calling presidents nuts throughout my lifetime. I can remember people calling Lyndon Johnson,
Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and His Excellency Obama nuts, in
the press and otherwise. And, somehow, we have managed to survive regardless.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2017, 02:23:57 pm »
@Victoria33
People have been calling presidents nuts throughout my lifetime. I can remember people calling Lyndon Johnson,
Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and His Excellency Obama nuts, inthe press and otherwise. And, somehow, we have managed to survive regardless.
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"People" saying it is different than professionals saying it.  I lived through all those presidents, and didn't consider any of them "nuts".  Based on my professional psychological career, I agree with these mental health professionals.  George Will sees it, too.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2017, 02:24:03 pm »
@Victoria33

I'm not thrilled with the idea of psychologists weighing in on our elections. I can see them calling anyone to the right of John McCain crazy. In Trump's case it wouldn't make any difference. His fans would have cheered anyway.

We should require civics and history testing to determine fitness to hold office. Two subjects that democrats are desperately trying to erase from education now.

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2017, 02:31:42 pm »
@Victoria33

I'm not thrilled with the idea of psychologists weighing in on our elections. I can see them calling anyone to the right of John McCain crazy. In Trump's case it wouldn't make any difference. His fans would have cheered anyway.
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Mental health counselors are required to keep their patient's conversation confidential  - EXCEPT IF THE PATIENT SAYS SOMETHING THAT PUTS SOMEONE IN IMMINENT DANGER, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT IT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT RIGHT THEN.  Before any patient talked to me, I told him/her that.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2017, 02:38:52 pm »
@Cripplecreek

Mental health counselors are required to keep their patient's conversation confidential  - EXCEPT IF THE PATIENT SAYS SOMETHING THAT PUTS SOMEONE IN IMMINENT DANGER, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT IT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT RIGHT THEN.  Before any patient talked to me, I told him/her that.

You're missing the ultimate point.

Trump supporters are cult members. They don't care if he's crazy and dangerous. These people cheered when he said he would order the targeting of terrorist's families which is a war crime.

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2017, 02:43:20 pm »
@EasyAce

"People" saying it is different than professionals saying it.  I lived through all those presidents, and didn't consider any of them "nuts".  Based on my professional psychological career, I agree with these mental health professionals.  George Will sees it, too.
@Victoria33
I'm not a professional, of course, and you are. But of the presidents I listed, I would have thought a professional
might have diagnosed Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton, at least, as having one or another kind of disorder. I still
remember thinking Tom Eagleton got a raw deal when he was forced to withdraw as George McGovern's running
mate after he revealed he'd been treated and hospitalised for depression.

I spotted this at Politico, from 2015 (I'm guessing Barry Goldwater's photograph leads the story in reference
to the wisecrack thrown back at one of his campaign slogans, "In your heart you know he's right"---his critics
hit back with "In your guts, you know he's nuts"):

Could America Elect a Mentally Ill President?
Yes. In fact, we probably already did.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2017, 02:47:40 pm »
Obviously Trump has an untrained mouth. The rest of the article is agenda driven.

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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2017, 02:47:46 pm »
@Victoria33
I'm not a professional, of course, and you are. But of the presidents I listed, I would have thought a professional
might have diagnosed Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton, at least, as having one or another kind of disorder. I still
remember thinking Tom Eagleton got a raw deal when he was forced to withdraw as George McGovern's running
mate after he revealed he'd been treated and hospitalised for depression.

I spotted this at Politico, from 2015 (I'm guessing Barry Goldwater's photograph leads the story in reference
to the wisecrack thrown back at one of his campaign slogans, "In your heart you know he's right"---his critics
hit back with "In your guts, you know he's nuts"):

Could America Elect a Mentally Ill President?
Yes. In fact, we probably already did.


No doubt we've elected presidents with mental disorders but none that resulted in truly dangerous behaviors.

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2017, 02:52:08 pm »
@Victoria33
I still remember thinking Tom Eagleton got a raw deal when he was forced to withdraw as George McGovern's running mate after he revealed he'd been treated and hospitalised for depression.
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I remember that about Eagleton.  In those days, going to a mental health clinic was considered one would be nuts if he/she went there.  That would not happen these days.  Eagleton would be okay to run now.

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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2017, 02:52:38 pm »
Okay....

Trump's insane.  That's granted. 

OTOH, the megalomania of his mental illness will probably drive him to get bored with the job, and by midterms hopefully he will have handed the reins to Pence.
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2017, 03:00:28 pm »
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I remember that about Eagleton.  In those days, going to a mental health clinic was considered one would be nuts if he/she went there.  That would not happen these days.  Eagleton would be okay to run now.

Oh I don't know about that. Look at the way "our side" went after Heidi Cruz for her depression. I even saw a suggestion on Twitter that "That Goldman Sachs whore should finish the job and off herself".

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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2017, 03:14:30 pm »
Oh I don't know about that. Look at the way "our side" went after Heidi Cruz for her depression. I even saw a suggestion on Twitter that "That Goldman Sachs whore should finish the job and off herself".
Do you remember Florida Gov. Lawton Chiles? When he ran in 1990, he thought disclosing his prescription for
Prozac would pre-empt any political hash about it. At the time, too, his doctors issued statements that he'd been
taken off the drug, but during the campaign what he liked to call "the black blacks" (his phrase for clinical
depression) hit and he was put back on the drug. His opponents blasted him: Tom Gustafson, the running mate
of Democratic candidate Bill Nelson, said, "I don't want to have a suicide during his term of office or during the
election," and Nelson himself said that Chiles going back on Prozac "raises serious questions about his ability
to perform the duties of governor."

Chiles won the election and served until shortly before his second term expired---he suffered a fatal heart
attack a month before the term would have expired--and Nelson now says, "Knowing what I know now, I never
would have said such a thing about him or anyone else."


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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2017, 03:28:11 pm »
Do you remember Florida Gov. Lawton Chiles? When he ran in 1990, he thought disclosing his prescription for
Prozac would pre-empt any political hash about it. At the time, too, his doctors issued statements that he'd been
taken off the drug, but during the campaign what he liked to call "the black blacks" (his phrase for clinical
depression) hit and he was put back on the drug. His opponents blasted him: Tom Gustafson, the running mate
of Democratic candidate Bill Nelson, said, "I don't want to have a suicide during his term of office or during the
election," and Nelson himself said that Chiles going back on Prozac "raises serious questions about his ability
to perform the duties of governor."

Chiles won the election and served until shortly before his second term expired---he suffered a fatal heart
attack a month before the term would have expired--and Nelson now says, "Knowing what I know now, I never
would have said such a thing about him or anyone else."

Its something I would expect out of the democrats. I have read about democrat attacks on Calvin Coolidge for continuing to run after the death of his son. Democrats suggested that my congressman (Tim Walberg) should drop out and "tend to his family" after the death of his young granddaughter some years ago.

What I don't expect is to see our side becoming so comfortable with the gutter. Plenty at TOS went after Michelle Bachmann over her history of migraine headaches. Heidi Cruz had to be escorted out of the GOP convention for her own safety.

Its why I say the right didn't win in this election, we've simply surrendered to the lowest common denominator.

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2017, 03:36:33 pm »
Its something I would expect out of the democrats. I have read about democrat attacks on Calvin Coolidge for continuing to run after the death of his son. Democrats suggested that my congressman (Tim Walberg) should drop out and "tend to his family" after the death of his young granddaughter some years ago.

What I don't expect is to see our side becoming so comfortable with the gutter. Plenty at TOS went after Michelle Bachmann over her history of migraine headaches. Heidi Cruz had to be escorted out of the GOP convention for her own safety.

Its why I say the right didn't win in this election, we've simply surrendered to the lowest common denominator.

Hold on a minute..... not ALL of the right has surrendered.  Please don't lump all conservatives in with the folks that fell under the orange spell.  Thanks.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2017, 03:39:28 pm »
What I don't expect is to see our side becoming so comfortable with the gutter. Plenty at TOS went after Michelle Bachmann over her history of migraine headaches. Heidi Cruz had to be escorted out of the GOP convention for her own safety.
There have been times when I've thought TOS itself was in need of psychiatric attention. ;) They went after just about
anyone---party be damned---who had medical or psychological issues. The inmates aren't running the asylum over
there, the inmates are the asylum.

And if it wasn't some candidate with medical or psychological issues, they'd impute psychological issues to those
with whom they disagreed even if it was some Republican. When National Review came out full force in
favour of ending the War on Drugs (William F. Buckley, Jr. had already been inclining that way for a number
of years), enough at TOS thought the whole magazine staff needed psychiatric attention post haste. Come to
think of it, when NR rolled out its symposium opposing Trump's nomination over a year ago, the same thing
happened by way of some of TOS.
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2017, 03:40:28 pm »
Do you remember Florida Gov. Lawton Chiles? When he ran in 1990, he thought disclosing his prescription for
Prozac would pre-empt any political hash about it. At the time, too, his doctors issued statements that he'd been
taken off the drug, but during the campaign what he liked to call "the black blacks" (his phrase for clinical
depression) hit and he was put back on the drug. His opponents blasted him: Tom Gustafson, the running mate
of Democratic candidate Bill Nelson, said, "I don't want to have a suicide during his term of office or during the
election," and Nelson himself said that Chiles going back on Prozac "raises serious questions about his ability
to perform the duties of governor."

Chiles won the election and served until shortly before his second term expired---he suffered a fatal heart
attack a month before the term would have expired--and Nelson now says, "Knowing what I know now, I never
would have said such a thing about him or anyone else."

Didn't Churchill suffer from crippling depression?
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2017, 03:41:32 pm »
Hold on a minute..... not ALL of the right has surrendered.  Please don't lump all conservatives in with the folks that fell under the orange spell.  Thanks.
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Some of us who fell neither under the orange nor the pantsuit spell were told by some who had
that we needed to seek psychiatric attention! ;)


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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2017, 03:45:13 pm »
@XenaLee
Some of us who fell neither under the orange nor the pantsuit spell were told by some who had
that we needed to seek psychiatric attention! ;)

I remember only too well how they went all cray cray (projecting) back then.  Hell, "some" of them (right here) still do continue to project....lol.
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