Trump accused the Freedom Caucus of 'saving' Obamacare. Its leader said it's not over.

[XenaLee]

My "leftist stance" is to repeal the mandates to allow smaller employers the liberty to begin hiring again,  short-circuit an open-ended entitlement program by means of block grants to the states,  and create room in the federal government's budgeting baseline - by means of replacing subsidies with refundable tax credits - to create room for pro-growth tax reform.

These things would all have been accomplished by the AHCA - except that the Freedom Caucus wouldn't take yes for an answer.   Rep. Poe - that "leftist" - agrees with me.

One added thought on this....

Tax credits for "some" (but not for others) is just another form of subsidies (akin to the subsidies in ObamaCare for "some" but not for others) and ergo, is still socialism re: this healthcare debacle. 

Get government THE HELL OUT of our personal business, which includes what kind or type of insurance OF ANY KIND we choose to have or not to have.  It ain't rocket surgery.  Except to those with leftist political stances, that is.

[libertybele]

Like you...RiV brings what happens on herself. 


Is that a step up or down from when you called this place a dump? 

I missed Jazz calling this place a dump.  If so, Jazz I hope you find the door and let yourself out.  That is an insult to everyone in here.  I consider this forum above the rest because of the caliber of most of the people in here.

[Sanguine]

Except that.... the Freedom Caucus members were not the only Reps that wouldn't "take yes for an answer".   Yet, for 'some' reason, you choose to blame ONLY the Freedom Caucus.

Why is that?

Because it fits the predetermined script?  Or, more likely, Jazz just doesn't like those pesky darned conservatives.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Except that.... the Freedom Caucus members were not the only Reps that wouldn't "take yes for an answer".   Yet, for 'some' reason, you choose to blame ONLY the Freedom Caucus.

Why is that?

Scapegoat.

[LMAO]

One can wonder why this is so difficult for the GOP but the Democrats had no issues throwing together garbage and passing it.

The Democrats and leftists march in lockstep. Sure, minor differences will erupt but they share one common belief and that is the expansion of the power of the state. The GOP doesn't have that. That could be a good thing or bad

[XenaLee]

Scapegoat.

Exactly.  And conservatives are always their best choice for that.... since we're in the minority, even though the idiots on the left (including RINOs) pretend otherwise.

[txradioguy]

Except that.... the Freedom Caucus members were not the only Reps that wouldn't "take yes for an answer".   Yet, for 'some' reason, you choose to blame ONLY the Freedom Caucus.

Why is that?

Because Trump blames them? 

[XenaLee]

Because it fits the predetermined script?  Or, more likely, Jazz just doesn't like those pesky darned conservatives.

Jazz also doesn't like facts and/or reality...lol.  Kinda reminds me of those guys on the left.

[Cyber Liberty]

I missed Jazz calling this place a dump.  If so, Jazz I hope you find the door and let yourself out.  That is an insult to everyone in here.  I consider this forum above the rest because of the caliber of most of the people in here.

He said TRG was the "new pope of this dump" last week (I think).  I've noticed as he makes more and more enemies here his insults have become more against the forum at large and not so much against individuals.  He must have gotten a warning or something.

[Emjay]

One added thought on this....

Tax credits for "some" (but not for others) is just another form of subsidies (akin to the subsidies in ObamaCare for "some" but not for others) and ergo, is still socialism re: this healthcare debacle. 

Get government THE HELL OUT of our personal business, which includes what kind or type of insurance OF ANY KIND we choose to have or not to have.  It ain't rocket surgery.  Except to those with leftist political stances, that is.

Yes!  Look how they mucked up Social Security, lied, betrayed our trust and stole money that they swore would never be touched.

But I digress.  There is a really good article about this on Red State that helped me to understand the whole thing a lot better.

[XenaLee]

Because Trump blames them? 

Trump has never been a fan of the conservative movement, has he.

As a few here have said, more or less, this issue and how he handles it will make or break the illusion of him being a rightie (now vs. before deciding to run for president).  That's the reality.

[XenaLee]

Yes!  Look how they mucked up Social Security, lied, betrayed our trust and stole money that they swore would never be touched.

But I digress.  There is a really good article about this on Red State that helped me to understand the whole thing a lot better.

Feel free to PM me a link to that...lol.  I read Red State, but ...so many articles.... so little time to search. 

[driftdiver]

I never bought into that false paradigm.  When presented with two evils as the only 'choice', I will always opt for truth - and we had other choices, despite the claims we did not.

The country has been enslaved into a mindset that we are limited to one choice or the other to root for and cheer - because politics is become just another sporting event for so many invested in their 'team'.

I'm beholden to principles.  Not a person.  Not a team.

If the country wants to become another European haven of Socialism, they will do it without any help or aid from me.  I will stand on principle, even if I am the only one left standing on it.

I have a Higher Judge I am accountable to.

@INVAR

How quaint.

When fighting a war do you fight the battle in front of you or do you fight the battle you wish it was? 
When driving and the oncoming semi crosses the center lane do you take evasive action or do you stay in your lane because you have the right of way?

There is a reason conservationism is losing and your post is a classic example.     You think that just because you think you're right that everyone will believe and fall in line.   Most kids coming out of our socialist schools these days don't even understand the concept of freedom or individual responsibility.

[txradioguy]

Trump has never been a fan of the conservative movement, has he.

Nope.  Did you see how he got Jeanine Pirro to do his dirty work this weekend in calling for Ryan to step down as Speaker?

As a few here have said, more or less, this issue and how he handles it will make or break the illusion of him being a rightie (now vs. before deciding to run for president).  That's the reality.

What sucks for me is that he was starting to do some things I could get behind...namely putting some teeth back into the military and creating that list of agencies that need to be shut down.

But it seems like with him it's 2 steps forward and three back.

Reality is about to bite a few folks here in the butt.

[LMAO]

Yes!  Look how they mucked up Social Security, lied, betrayed our trust and stole money that they swore would never be touched.

The problem was people believing that politicians would not spend any extra money that came their way. If there's money to be spent in DC, it will be spent.

[LMAO]

I don't understand why the pile on when it comes to @Jazzhead.

[corbe]

    @XenaLee She may be talking about this, I posted it earlier

@Emjay

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,255836.0.html

[Jazzhead]

I missed Jazz calling this place a dump.  If so, Jazz I hope you find the door and let yourself out.  That is an insult to everyone in here.  I consider this forum above the rest because of the caliber of most of the people in here.

It was a Rodney Dangerfield line from Caddyshack, directed at the poster to which I was responding (I can't remember who, but it was somebody whose arrogance prompted the response).  It was meant to be humorous, and I apologized at the time.     

[Idaho_Cowboy]

One can wonder why this is so difficult for the GOP but the Democrats had no issues throwing together garbage and passing it.

The Democrats and leftists march in lockstep. Sure, minor differences will erupt but they share one common belief and that is the expansion of the power of the state. The GOP doesn't have that. That could be a good thing or bad

The Democrats have always been willing to advance their agenda one step at a time. Any increase in regulation/tyranny is a win and they will go for any step in the right direction.

Republicans and Conservative have always been hesitant to compromise on solutions that don't restore a significant amount of freedom to the people.

Obamacare was a rather large step in the wrong direction. I'd like to see better than a minor shuffle back in the right direction.

[XenaLee]

    @XenaLee She may be talking about this, I posted it earlier

@Emjay

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,255836.0.html

Great.  Thanks!

[Emjay]

@XenaLee and anyone who's interested in a really good article on the health care problem,

http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/03/27/next-step-repealing-obamacare-ted-cruz-answer/

[corbe]

I don't understand why the pile on when it comes to @Jazzhead.

@LMAO

    IMHO, it's not so much for his views, which I and others here adamantly disagree with, it's his propensity to revert to name calling and his animosity toward the very place that offers him a place to express his views, now that's what really chaps my but.  @Jazzhead

[XenaLee]

Nope.  Did you see how he got Jeanine Pirro to do his dirty work this weekend in calling for Ryan to step down as Speaker?

Yeah.  I saw that.  Not surprised by it.

What sucks for me is that he was starting to do some things I could get behind...namely putting some teeth back into the military and creating that list of agencies that need to be shut down.

Same here.  I caught myself (reluctantly) defending him on numerous occasions.... which is something I never thought possible...lolol.

But it seems like with him it's 2 steps forward and three back.

That is, coincidentally, a communist methodology.  Hmmm....

Reality is about to bite a few folks here in the butt.

Reality is possibly about to bite us all in the butt.  Even those of us that knew beforehand but allowed ourselves to hope for the best.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee and anyone who's interested in a really good article on the health care problem,

http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/03/27/next-step-repealing-obamacare-ted-cruz-answer/

Thanks, Emjay!   

[Emjay]

Nope.  Did you see how he got Jeanine Pirro to do his dirty work this weekend in calling for Ryan to step down as Speaker?

What sucks for me is that he was starting to do some things I could get behind...namely putting some teeth back into the military and creating that list of agencies that need to be shut down.

But it seems like with him it's 2 steps forward and three back.

Reality is about to bite a few folks here in the butt.

Yes.  I totally agree.  It's hard to remember the good things at times, but all you have to do is look at what the lefties are screaming about.  Yesterday on Facebook it was the total destruction of public schools and their teachers because Trump appointed that witch Betsy DeVos.

A lot of his appointments were really 'in your face' hits on dems. 

I've got to face the fact that I'm not sure what his core issues are right now.  I'm still hoping Trump can stay focused and do the things he promised.

Time will tell.  Time cannot keep her mouth shut.