BREAKING>>>>Nunes: Intel community surveiled Trump transition officials

[DiogenesLamp]

In a word - no.

I recall otherwise.  The words "Self inflicted wound"  cropped up a lot.  (Referring to Trump.)   

[DiogenesLamp]

An administration full of Russian operatives should expect this sort of thing.

This administration isn't going to survive this and you were all warned for months.

And how is the weather on your planet? 

[edpc]

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I recall otherwise.  The words "Self inflicted wound"  cropped up a lot.  (Referring to Trump.)

Except I'm far from his biggest fan and didn't vote for a presidential candidate this cycle.  That said, I never doubted the previous admin was looking for dirt.  They never expected the election to go against them and get caught, though.

[driftdiver]

An administration full of Russian operatives should expect this sort of thing.

This administration isn't going to survive this and you were all warned for months.

@Cripplecreek

You've warned for months that the Trump administration was corrupted by Russian operatives?    Seriously deranged man.

And lets say you successfully bring down the Trump administration down, that would make who President?   Paul Ryan? 

[LonestarDream]

I consider "wiretap" to be an old school term that came naturally to Trump. Intercepting electronic non-wire comm is the same, in principle.

Amazing people are still doing the distinction without a difference thing.

[r9etb]

@Cripplecreek

You've warned for months that the Trump administration was corrupted by Russian operatives?    Seriously deranged man.

While I was not one of those doing it, the Trump team's Russian connections were extensively mentioned and warned about here at TBR.  You can look it up.

And lets say you successfully bring down the Trump administration down, that would make who President?   Paul Ryan?

The Constitution would have it that Mr. Pence or his successor at VP would become president, unless he were (Agnew-like) to be drummed out of office and not replaced before a Trump impeachment.  The Speaker of the House is, I believe, the successor to the Vice President.

[r9etb]

Amazing people are still doing the distinction without a difference thing.

What's more amazing is that you don't see the difference between "wiretapping," and other means of surveillance.

[DiogenesLamp]

While I was not one of those doing it, the Trump team's Russian connections were extensively mentioned and warned about here at TBR.  You can look it up.

Every liberal news source and allegation against him was certainly mentioned for several months,  and though I can't speak specifically to noticing that allegations of Russian connections were among the accusations,   I have little doubt that they probably were.   


But all of it was just noise,  so far as I was concerned.   Still is.   

[DiogenesLamp]

What's more amazing is that you don't see the difference between "wiretapping," and other means of surveillance.

In terms of outcome and implications the difference is unworthy of notice.


   

[driftdiver]

What's more amazing is that you don't see the difference between "wiretapping," and other means of surveillance.

@r9etb

Cmon man you're better then that.   It doesn't matter how the information was obtained.  The sheer fact they were monitoring a Presidential candidate in the months leading up to an election is a massive issue.  The specific mode/method of surveillance is inconsequential.

[r9etb]

In terms of outcome and implications the difference is unworthy of notice.
 

Only if you're trying to defend an apparently spurious claim of "wiretapping."   

[Rivergirl]

From the very first time I saw this dude on TV I assumed he was a dem.  There must be quite some dossier on him.

[don-o]

What's more amazing is that you don't see the difference between "wiretapping," and other means of surveillance.

I await your enlightenment.

[skeeter]

Amazing people are still doing the distinction without a difference thing.

Parsing words is just another way the statist left twists the news to suit their political agenda.

[XenaLee]

That would be Loretta Lynch and if I were  Comey I would be running, not walking to cut me an immunity deal.

New Boss (Trump) is NOT going to let this slide.  @LonestarDream

Nor should he.  Heads should (figuratively, of course) roll over this.

[Cripplecreek]

While I was not one of those doing it, the Trump team's Russian connections were extensively mentioned and warned about here at TBR.  You can look it up.

The Constitution would have it that Mr. Pence or his successor at VP would become president, unless he were (Agnew-like) to be drummed out of office before a Trump impeachment.  The Speaker of the House is, I believe, the successor to the Vice President.

You've got more patience with these people than I do. They reflexively adopt childish leftist tactis of claiming they "din no nuffin"  Some of my earliest posts here during the primaries were about all the Russian ties.

Then they go to the straw men arguments. I never said anything about me taking down Trump and I at least know what the line of presidential succession is as I pointed out in this thread earlier today.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,255054.msg1267758.html#msg1267758

Pointless line of attack.

Get rid of Trump and they still have Pence. Get rid of Pence and they have to deal with Ryan. Get rid of Ryan and they have Orrin Hatch. Get rid of Hatch and they'll be dealing with Tillerson.

Stating a simple fact that Trump's administration will go down is not a statement of support. Its a simple statement of fact

[r9etb]

@r9etb

Cmon man you're better then that.   It doesn't matter how the information was obtained.  The sheer fact they were monitoring a Presidential candidate in the months leading up to an election is a massive issue.  The specific mode/method of surveillance is inconsequential.

If you're gonna scold me, at least get your facts straight.

1.  The story reports that the information was apparently collected on the members of Trump's transition team, and as such it would have been after, not "leading up to" the election.

2.  "Collecting information" could be as simple as taking note of who went in and out of Trump Towers -- not a "massive issue," and certainly not "wiretapping."  "Collection" might include data collected through regular, legal search warrants, such as would have been required to obtain information on Russian wire transfers into Paul Manaforte's bank account.

3.  The data collected is characterized as "incidental," suggesting that the primary targets of whatever intelligence gathering were not Trump's people, but rather different people who were under investigation, and who ended up contacting members of Trump's team. 

[mystery-ak]

What's more amazing is that you don't see the difference between "wiretapping," and other means of surveillance.

We can all assume Trump chose the term *wiretapping* because like all of us we are familiar with that term..technically it was the wrong choice.

[r9etb]

I await your enlightenment.

Stop with the word games.  Just watching a guy enter Trump Towers is a form of information collection. 

[mystery-ak]

Nunes just stated these were legal surveillance through Fisa warrants...also said the FBI is not cooperating re this.

[r9etb]

We can all assume Trump chose the term *wiretapping* because like all of us we are familiar with that term..technically it was the wrong choice.

I don't assume that at all.  Trump is the President and presumably has means of obtaining detailed information.  (Heck, Then again, I think he's pulling this stuff out of ... er, thin air.)

As to the wrong terminology excuse, the pseudo-facts trotted out by Trump's team to back up Trump's claim (e.g., the Brits did it for Obama) support the idea that he used that term on purpose.

[edpc]

@r9etb

Cmon man you're better then that.   It doesn't matter how the information was obtained.  The sheer fact they were monitoring a Presidential candidate in the months leading up to an election is a massive issue.  The specific mode/method of surveillance is inconsequential.

I'm just trying to imagine the reaction if this was an outgoing Republican admin doing this to an incoming Dem prez.

[corbe]

I recall otherwise.  The words "Self inflicted wound"  cropped up a lot.  (Referring to Trump.)   

   @DiogenesLamp 

    Guilty as Charged, but the Jury's still out.

[Frank Cannon]

I can't believe this is a breaking story when most of us paying attention see that Obama was spying on Trump and that the Rats are the ones up to their eyeballs in taking Soviet money for favors.

[DiogenesLamp]

Only if you're trying to defend an apparently spurious claim of "wiretapping."

You are stuck on a word,  and not a meaning.   You are arguing a technicality,  not a concept.   


Trump was spied upon.   That is the salient aspect of this issue.   Concern over the precise methods of spying used is a point that invokes the "hobgoblin of little minds" of which Emerson spoke.