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'Tortured geniuses' more likely to commit suicide, study finds

The myth of the tortured genius has endured for centuries.

Artists as diverse as Van Gogh, Kurt Cobain and Sylvia Plath have become famous for their talent as well as for their struggles with mental health problems.

But a conclusive link has never been made between mental health issues and creativity.

For the first time reliable data has shown that the suicide rate among people working in creative roles is significantly higher than the national average.

The first-ever study of suicide by profession from the ONS, which covered England in the years from 2011 to 2015, showed that people who work in arts-related jobs are up to four times more likely to commit suicide.

Among men working in culture, media and sport-related jobs, the risk is 20 per cent higher, and among women it is 69 per cent higher.

The risk is even more pronounced among individual professions. Male artists are more than twice as likely to commit suicide, and with female artists the risk quadruples.

Rates are similarly high among actors, entertainers and presenters.

There were 311 suicides among people working in culture, media and sport professions during the period.

While the numbers are low, Louis Appleby, Professor of Psychiatry at Manchester University, said that they were statistically significant.

"This is probably the best data we've ever had on this issue.

"There are factors in that group that might put them at greater risk. The availability of alcohol and drugs are well-recognised risk factors.

"Disruption to personal relationships is another factor. People have to spend time away from home and work antisocial hours," he said.

A 2015 study found that creative people were 17 per cent more likely to suffer from mental illnesses such as schizophrenia.

But Professor Appleby said he was "quite sceptical" about the link between creativity and poor mental health.

"Maybe some people who have some emotional volatility might be drawn into the entertainment world, but to make a definite link would be quite speculative," he said.

Professor David Gunnell, of Bristol University, who co-authored the research with the ONS, said that more needed to be done to determine whether there was a link.

He added that the link between poverty and poor mental health was better-established.

"The priority should be to tackle the suicide rate among people in low-skilled work, which is a serious public health issue," he said.

Ruth Sutherland, CEO of Samaritans, said: "Some of today’s findings echo what we know about increased risk in those working in low-skilled and low-paid professions. This is not right, it’s not fair, and it has to change."

Men working in the lowest-skilled occupations had a 44 per cent higher risk of suicide than the male average.

To coincide with the data Public Health England released resources to help employers deal with suicide in the workplace.

Duncan Selbie, chief executive, said: “I urge all employers, large or small, public or private sector to treat mental health as seriously as physical health. Early action can stop any employees reaching a desperate stage."

Between 2011 and 2015 a total of 18,998 deaths were recorded as suicide. Four in five of the cases analysed involved men.

The Samaritans can be called free any time from any phone on 116 123.​

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/people-artistic-professions-likely-commit-suicide-ons-study/

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Re: “Tortured geniuses” more likely to commit suicide, study finds
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 09:39:06 pm »
Albert Einstein appeared to be fairly well adjusted while Tesla and Hughes had obvious issues. (Neither committed suicide)

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2017, 10:09:42 pm »
Albert Einstein appeared to be fairly well adjusted while Tesla and Hughes had obvious issues. (Neither committed suicide)

It's just a theory.

If the Hughes you are mentioning, (Ted) he had two wives who both suicided. Godel, who was brought over to Princeton by Einstein , suicided there.

Anyway, it's a fascinating subject.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2017, 10:24:55 pm »
It's just a theory.

If the Hughes you are mentioning, (Ted) he had two wives who both suicided. Godel, who was brought over to Princeton by Einstein , suicided there.

Anyway, it's a fascinating subject.

Actually I was thinking of Howard Hughes who was completely off the rails when he died. Tesla wasn't that far gone but had become a virtual hermit and was pretty neurotic about some things.

John Nash suffered from Schizophrenia but learned to manage it.

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2017, 10:28:35 pm »
Actually I was thinking of Howard Hughes who was completely off the rails when he died. Tesla wasn't that far gone but had become a virtual hermit and was pretty neurotic about some things.

John Nash suffered from Schizophrenia but learned to manage it.

You are right about Howard Hughes. I guess you can tell I was an English Major. :)
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2017, 10:52:02 pm »
Aren't that hard to figure this out. Smart people get sick to death of stupid people. So they leave.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 07:15:02 am »
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The first-ever study of suicide by profession from the ONS, which covered England in the years from 2011 to 2015, showed that people who work in arts-related jobs are up to four times more likely to commit suicide.

It isn't the scientists, it isn't the engineers, or even the doctors.

It's the artists. There is a lot of pressure to be the one who comes up with the next big 'thing' or 'idea', and while fads used to last years, now they seem to last only weeks, if that, before the thundering herd moves on. That's a tough environment, and I can see where burnout and stress could be a factor.  There are other things which likely contribute.
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 09:18:28 am »
Oh oh..better keep the knives and firearms away and the young wife close :whistle:

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 05:49:15 pm »
It isn't the scientists, it isn't the engineers, or even the doctors.

It's the artists. . . .

Thank you for pointing out that the headline word "geniuses" didn't coincide with the actual research.  They're just claiming that artists are "geniuses".
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 11:37:32 pm »
It isn't the scientists, it isn't the engineers, or even the doctors.

It's the artists. There is a lot of pressure to be the one who comes up with the next big 'thing' or 'idea', and while fads used to last years, now they seem to last only weeks, if that, before the thundering herd moves on. That's a tough environment, and I can see where burnout and stress could be a factor.  There are other things which likely contribute.

There are other things which likely contribute.

Those pesky "muses".
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2017, 12:01:50 am »
There are other things which likely contribute.

Those pesky "muses".
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2017, 12:16:25 am »
Thank you for pointing out that the headline word "geniuses" didn't coincide with the actual research.  They're just claiming that artists are "geniuses".

As a bit of an artist myself I will say that the only genius I see among artists is in their ability to con fools into paying huge sums of money for bad art.

For instance, Andreas Gursky managed to milk $4.3 million out of liberals by claiming this heavily photographed pic of a River represented the artificial shackles man has placed on the world's wild and free rivers.



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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2017, 12:55:23 am »
She asked me name my foe then. I said the need within some men to fight and kill their brothers without thought of Love or God. Ken Hensley