Freedom Caucus balks at Republican leadership's Obamacare replacement

[Wingnut]

 There's a core group of bleep and pricks here. Learn to use the ignore function because the mods won't do anything about them.


For me, any sort of personal attack that I feel is undeserved gets ignored right away.

May a diseased yak squat in your hot tub.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

May a diseased yak squat in your hot tub.

No, I won't let your wife bath in my tub. 

[Wingnut]

No, I won't let your wife bath in my tub. 

May a weird Holy man use a Black & Decker tool on your only sister.

[Norm Lenhart]

No, I won't let your wife bath in my tub. 

There's a core group of bleep and pricks here. Learn to use the ignore function because the mods won't do anything about them.


For me, any sort of personal attack that I feel is undeserved gets ignored right away.

[Lando Lincoln]

Suddenly, I feel all... distorted.

[Wingnut]

There's a core group of bleep and pricks here. Learn to use the ignore function because the mods won't do anything about them.


For me, any sort of personal attack that I feel is undeserved gets ignored right away.

The wierd trollish fellow stepped right into it didn't he Norm! 

[Norm Lenhart]

The wierd trollish fellow stepped right into it didn't he Norm!

I am just overcome with the sheer hypocrisy of some of these people. But moreso by how willing others are to simply forgive, forget, and thus ensure we get more of it across the threads. One would think Mechanicos and the other multi named idiot would have shown them where it leads.

[Chosen Daughter]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-being-uninsured-rise-many-214439134.html



I hope the whole thing fails miserably.  Obama care was bad but this is worse.  I feel sorry for the people who elected Trump thinking he was going to stick up for them.  Yeah stick it the American workers who may be laid off from their job and not have insurance for two months.  Your better off in this country being an illegal than working your entire life.  Paying the salaries of pompous politicians that could never connect with average Americans.

[Norm Lenhart]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-being-uninsured-rise-many-214439134.html



I hope the whole thing fails miserably.  Obama care was bad but this is worse.  I feel sorry for the people who elected Trump thinking he was going to stick up for them.   

Then they were complete fools that deserve what happens to them. Trump was very upfront about his love of mandates and socialized healthcare. He never hid it. People just put their own beliefs on him.

[Jazzhead]

  Yeah stick it the American workers who may be laid off from their job and not have insurance for two months. 

There is still COBRA continuation coverage.   A laid off worker can continue coverage under his former employer's group plan for up to 18 months.   If someone goes without insurance for two months, it's by choice.   And under the AHCA they can remain uninsured - by choice - indefinitely without having to pay the individual mandate tax.   

[GtHawk]

There is still COBRA continuation coverage.   A laid off worker can continue coverage under his former employer's group plan for up to 18 months.   If someone goes without insurance for two months, it's by choice.   And under the AHCA they can remain uninsured - by choice - indefinitely without having to pay the individual mandate tax.

Very clever, have you ever been that situation? So easy to say to someone that has no job and most probably very limited discretionary funds, to go buy very expensive COBRA coverage. And how very gracious that they be allowed to go uninsured indefinitely. The governments help with insurance has driven providers out, remittances down to small providers that can't afford to comply with electronic standards, facilities in rural areas to shut done forcing people to delay or not seek care due to excessive commutes and all around negatively impacted a majority of legal Americans financially. So of course the answer is to have bureaucrats muddle around even more in a morass of idiocy?

[Suppressed]

You have come! You have come to hear the word of Talos!

But Atom is the True God^TM!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5Y0BMVLfg

[Chosen Daughter]

There is still COBRA continuation coverage.   A laid off worker can continue coverage under his former employer's group plan for up to 18 months.   If someone goes without insurance for two months, it's by choice.   And under the AHCA they can remain uninsured - by choice - indefinitely without having to pay the individual mandate tax.

Anybody ever being laid off from work and offered Cobra knows that it is 2-3 times the expense of the coverage you had under your employer.  When a $15.00 hour worker looses job they certainly cannot afford Cobra Coverage.

Might as well stick with Obama care.  Mandate, penalty all the same.  Screw the American worker. 

[Wingnut]

Anybody ever being laid off from work and offered Cobra knows that it is 2-3 times the expense of the coverage you had under your employer.  When a $15.00 hour worker looses job they certainly cannot afford Cobra Coverage.

And that's the truth.  And the catch 22 was that if you didn't take the COBRA   then you couldn't prove "Continuous Coverage" when you did find a new job so you could get employer subsidized HC coverage. 

[Norm Lenhart]

But Atom is the True God^TM!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5Y0BMVLfg

Ah but true believers know that terrible and mighty Talos, he who is both man and divine, has many names! Besides, Skyrim and Fallout are the same world anyway!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezi-lSRh10A

[Suppressed]

Anybody ever being laid off from work and offered Cobra knows that it is 2-3 times the expense of the coverage you had under your employer.  When a $15.00 hour worker looses job they certainly cannot afford Cobra Coverage.

And yet some people believe that workers will magically be able to afford coverage if it's not tied to emplotment.


Don't get me wrong...it would be great to delink it.  But that doesn't mean we get something for nothing.  Costs to individuals would go up, not down. Freedom costs.

[Chosen Daughter]

And that's the truth.  And the catch 22 was that if you didn't take the COBRA   then you couldn't prove "Continuous Coverage" when you did find a new job so you could get employer subsidized HC coverage.

All designed to fill the pockets of politicians and Health Insurance Companies.

[Cyber Liberty]

And yet some people believe that workers will magically be able to afford coverage if it's not tied to emplotment.


Don't get me wrong...it would be great to delink it.  But that doesn't mean we get something for nothing.  Costs to individuals would go up, not down. Freedom costs.

I work for a large company and I would not like to see it de-linked for the simple reason it would break up the group of employees in the plan.  I could never get an individual policy for the price my company pays for mine.

[GtHawk]

And yet some people believe that workers will magically be able to afford coverage if it's not tied to emplotment.


Don't get me wrong...it would be great to delink it.  But that doesn't mean we get something for nothing.  Costs to individuals would go up, not down. Freedom costs.

But there are people who magically get healthcare that's not tied to employment, they are called Illegal Aliens by unbiased honest people and immigrants by lying liberals and they get some of the best healthcare, at least under MediCal that there is. I know because after being unemployed for over two years and losing basically everything but my family, I was on Medical. And I received some of the best care from top providers than I received in forty years of paying healthy premiums to big name healthcare companies.

[Norm Lenhart]

I work for a large company and I would not like to see it de-linked for the simple reason it would break up the group of employees in the plan.  I could never get an individual policy for the price my company pays for mine.

Yes but whats to stop an extra-employer group from negotiating plans of their own? Thats what groups like AARP did. WE could simply join one of those. Or create another better suited if enough people are on board. If your employer has it as part of your salary/comp package, then removal should translate into salary increases or your company is screwing you.

If "Normcorp" has 1000 employees and gets X group policy from "Insurecorp", then any group of 1000 should be able to negotiate that same insurance cost.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes but whats to stop an extra-employer group from negotiating plans of their own? Thats what groups like AARP did. WE could simply join one of those. Or create another better suited if enough people are on board. If your employer has it as part of your salary/comp package, then removal should translate into salary increases or your company is screwing you.

If "Normcorp" has 1000 employees and gets X group policy from "Insurecorp", then any group of 1000 should be able to negotiate that same insurance cost.

That would totally work.  Groups not involving employers could form to buy group rates.  I think there are a bunch of third-party companies doing that already.  I hear ads on the radio all the time for small employers contracting out HR services and other benefits programs (like 401Ks), so why not?

[Cyber Liberty]

 There's a core group of bleep and pricks here. Learn to use the ignore function because the mods won't do anything about them.


For me, any sort of personal attack that I feel is undeserved gets ignored right away.

One man's "personal attack" is another man's "legitimate grievance."  It just depends upon what side of the megaphone you happen to be.

[Chosen Daughter]

That would totally work.  Groups not involving employers could form to buy group rates.  I think there are a bunch of third-party companies doing that already.  I hear ads on the radio all the time for small employers contracting out HR services and other benefits programs (like 401Ks), so why not?

There is a Christian one like a Co-op health group.  I know someone who was on it but it too is very expensive.  Could be a lot less than others though.  Certainly less than any Cobra program.

https://healthmatchup.com/ppc/christian-health-insurance/?ref=g_hmu_mt_christ_b&tsrc=147&gclid=CMD7nvOmytICFQ5Efgoda9kCdg

http://www.medicalcostsharing.com/

There are more than one apparently.

[EC]

And yet some people believe that workers will magically be able to afford coverage if it's not tied to emplotment.


Don't get me wrong...it would be great to delink it.  But that doesn't mean we get something for nothing.  Costs to individuals would go up, not down. Freedom costs.

How about this, as a random thought - and I know it involves using the tax code, but it's a step in delinking:

Instead of a penalty for not having insurance, give a tax incentive to do so. At the same time, tax employer provided insurance as a perk, same as any other perk. Combine that with reopening the range of policies the insurance companies can provide - from catastrophic to covering everything down to hangnails and split ends.

Can't see why it wouldn't work. 

Of course, I'd do something about the ridiculous hospital charges as well. What, I'm not sure though.

[Chosen Daughter]

How about this, as a random thought - and I know it involves using the tax code, but it's a step in delinking:

Instead of a penalty for not having insurance, give a tax incentive to do so. At the same time, tax employer provided insurance as a perk, same as any other perk. Combine that with reopening the range of policies the insurance companies can provide - from catastrophic to covering everything down to hangnails and split ends.

Can't see why it wouldn't work. 

Of course, I'd do something about the ridiculous hospital charges as well. What, I'm not sure though.

That is thinking!  I like the idea of catastrophic for lower premium.  It would work well with young people who are healthy.  Why that may not work is because if a good portion of the population chooses a lesser policy its harder to pay for the other people who need full coverage.