Freedom Caucus balks at Republican leadership's Obamacare replacement

[Cyber Liberty]

@Jazzhead

...you've got yours and to hell with everyone else.

This is an argument I hear a lot from the left, and it's pure emotion, zero logic.  If I were inclined to put people on ignore that would have earned it for you right there.

[driftdiver]

Where and why is it the job of the government to make sure that people have health insurance?

What happened to personal responsibility and taking care of yourself? 

You seem to forget that the Constitution says you have the opportunity for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...no where in there does it say it's guaranteed.

Your life is supposed to be what YOU make of it...good bad succeed or fail it's all dependent upon the individual and the effort they put into it.

@Jazzhead
@txradioguy

The govt has mucked up healthcare and the insurance industry to an unbelievable level.  A big part of why healthcare is so expensive is because of government interference.   The amount of regulations they have to comply with is MIND BOGGLING.   Not to mention the laws which make it easy to sue doctors and their staff.

So until that is fixed and the artificially high prices can be normalized I really don't have an issue with the govt using free market principles to make insurance more affordable.

Whining about the govt trying to make insurance more affordable while ignoring the rest of the picture is futile.

[XenaLee]

@Jazzhead

This is an argument I hear a lot from the left, and it's pure emotion, zero logic.  If I were inclined to put people on ignore that would have earned it for you right there.

The translation to that leftie bit of asininity is....

"You worked your ass off and all that hard work and sweat of yours should go to pay for everyone that does not or did NOT work their ass off.....otherwise, you're just selfish".

It's the commie meme, after all.

[Bigun]

 I, for one, am sick of hearing this "We don't have 60 votes" cop out!

[Cyber Liberty]

I, for one, am sick of hearing this "We don't have 60 votes" cop out!

It's bullchit.  The Republicans are proving they were only pandering the umpteen times they voted to repeal.  Now that they have a President ready to sign, they're caving.  This is the "tell" of a lying politician.

[Bigun]

It's bullchit.  The Republicans are proving they were only pandering the umpteen times they voted to repeal.  Now that they have a President ready to sign, they're caving.  This is the "tell" of a lying politician.

Exactly!  And they will learn the meaning of "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind" REAL soon as a result!

[Jazzhead]

The translation to that leftie bit of asininity is....

"You worked your ass off and all that hard work and sweat of yours should go to pay for everyone that does not or did NOT work their ass off.....otherwise, you're just selfish".

It's the commie meme, after all.

Ah, bullshit.  This has nothing to do with hard work or the lack thereof.   This has to do with GOOD FORTUNE - the luck to be able to work with a large, rich company able to offer good group health benefits.   

If you are the recipient of good fortune and say to hell with those who aren't - regardless of virtue - then yeah, you're selfish.   

[Jazzhead]

I, for one, am sick of hearing this "We don't have 60 votes" cop out!

Stop whining.  Reality bites.  The votes for a return to the status quo ante aren't there.   The AHCA gets rid of the hated mandates and bends the ACA toward conservative priorities.  It's a good deal, and a good start toward more fundamental reform - we should take it.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Ah, bullshit.  This has nothing to do with hard work or the lack thereof.   This has to do with GOOD FORTUNE - the luck to be able to work with a large, rich company able to offer good group health benefits.   

If you are the recipient of good fortune and say to hell with those who aren't - regardless of virtue - then yeah, you're selfish.

She won the big ol' "Lottery of Life," is that what you're saying?  If she has something it's because she was lucky somebody handed it to her?

Is that your final argument? 

[Bigun]

She won the big ol' "Lottery of Life," is that what you're saying?  If she has something it's because she was lucky somebody handed it to her?

Is that your final argument?

He's a friggin T R O L L ! ! !

[Sanguine]

Stop whining.  Reality bites.  The votes for a return to the status quo ante aren't there.   The AHCA gets rid of the hated mandates and bends the ACA toward conservative priorities.  It's a good deal, and a good start toward more fundamental reform - we should take it.

You managed to completely miss the point.

[Norm Lenhart]

He's a friggin T R O L L ! ! !

Just a typical liberal using every talking point the left uses daily.

[driftdiver]

Yes, 51 Senators Can Fully Repeal Obamacare

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/10/yes-51-senators-can-fully-repeal-obamacare/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=4afcc2a5fd-RSS_The_Federalist_Daily_Updates_w_Transom&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-4afcc2a5fd-83773485

@Bigun
One of the open secrets of Obamacare was that its true intent was to force a transition to a single payer system.  It does this by wrapping chains around healthcare providers and bankrupting those who don't cooperate.  There's been massive consolidation in the healthcare space with most smaller hospitals being bought up by big ones.   Here in Tampa almost all of the doctors offices have been bought up by one of the two major health systems in the area.  Smaller hospitals are going bankrupt if they cannot find a buyer because they are forced to provide care and the reimbursements from the govt are less than their costs.

Whatever Congress does will send massive economic ripples through the healthcare industry which makes up roughly 17 -  26 % of our economy.   They are playing tiddlywinks with healthcare and people will die as a result through lack of care.

[Cyber Liberty]

He's a friggin T R O L L ! ! !

He talks about the "luck of landing a job with a large, rich company."

That makes me so angry! 

I work for a "large rich company" and I've spent years watching friends get laid off, so much for the "rich" part.  Secondly, I spent two and a half years after I graduated college pounding the pavement to get a good job at a certain large company in Phoenix so I could stay near family (I resisted going to Silicon Valley).  It was a grueling time of my life (spinning platters to make ends meet), and I'll be damned if I chalk landing that job up to "luck."

Pfffft!

[Cyber Liberty]

Just a typical liberal using every talking point the left uses daily.

Sunuvabitch hit a sore spot with me this morning, declaring my landing the job I've held over 30 years "luck."  I worked my ass off to get it, before the first day on the job.

[Bigun]

@Bigun
One of the open secrets of Obamacare was that its true intent was to force a transition to a single payer system.  It does this by wrapping chains around healthcare providers and bankrupting those who don't cooperate.  There's been massive consolidation in the healthcare space with most smaller hospitals being bought up by big ones.   Here in Tampa almost all of the doctors offices have been bought up by one of the two major health systems in the area.  Smaller hospitals are going bankrupt if they cannot find a buyer because they are forced to provide care and the reimbursements from the govt are less than their costs.

Whatever Congress does will send massive economic ripples through the healthcare industry which makes up roughly 17 -  26 % of our economy.   They are playing tiddlywinks with healthcare and people will die as a result through lack of care.

Two words!  Bull SH*%!

[Bigun]

He talks about the "luck of landing a job with a large, rich company."

That makes me so angry! 

I work for a "large rich company" and I've spent years watching friends get laid off, so much for the "rich" part.  Secondly, I spent two and a half years after I graduated college pounding the pavement to get a good job at a certain large company in Phoenix so I could stay near family (I resisted going to Silicon Valley).  It was a grueling time of my life (spinning platters to make ends meet), and I'll be damned if I chalk landing that job up to "luck."

Pfffft!

Getting under your skin is his PRIME objective!

[Cyber Liberty]

Getting under your skin is his PRIME objective!

I'm sure it is, and you know getting under mine is one Hell of an accomplishment.

[Bigun]

I'm sure it is, and you know getting under mine is one Hell of an accomplishment.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

 

I'm probably the most harmless fuzzball here, and I used to be such an unholy terror.  I owe the improvement to my lovely Mrs. Liberty.

[Norm Lenhart]

Sunuvabitch hit a sore spot with me this morning, declaring my landing the job I've held over 30 years "luck."  I worked my ass off to get it, before the first day on the job.

Thats what leftists do. You didn't build it. you didn't earn it. Your work means nothing unless it benefits something they want. Thats the way people like @Jazzhead always operate.

SO  STFU and get to work because there's Muslims to pay for and AIDS drugs to buy. Don't be selfish!

[Chosen Daughter]

The ACA was a lie from the start.  It wasn't ""Affordable"" then and it isn't affordable now.  The only ones truly benefitting from it are ones that are getting subsidies ....ie taxpayer funded ""free"" health insurance.  Many, if not most, of those getting subsidies have never paid into any welfare system, yet have taken full advantage of those freebies.  Something's got to give.  We can't afford to dole out all of these 'freebies'.  Have you bothered to notice the national debt lately?

As for those hundreds of thousands that were laid off, I know all about that. I was one of them.  Obama was elected in 2008, I was laid off in April of 2009.  Corporations knew what was coming down the socialist/leftist pike at them even then.

I chose to work in a corporate environment to get those benefits (ie healthcare insurance).  So cry me a river for folks that do not or rather did not want to work in the corp environment just to get health insurance.  Nothing is easy or free unless you're a leftie voting DemocRat.  If you choose to be self-employed (or unemployed) for the freedom, don't cry to me that you don't have health insurance.  You traded off that benefit for the freedom.

I see that you're all gung-ho on socialist, government run 'everything' here.  But your mentality was slapped down last November...and bitch-slapped hard, in fact.  Or.... didn't you notice.

There was no subsidy for working people.  I went on the exchange once and didn't qualify.  If I don't qualify then you would have to be unemployed to qualify.  Obama Care was expensive and it got more expensive.  Will continue to get more expensive.

Good for people who don't work.

[XenaLee]

Ah, bullshit.  This has nothing to do with hard work or the lack thereof.   This has to do with GOOD FORTUNE - the luck to be able to work with a large, rich company able to offer good group health benefits.   

If you are the recipient of good fortune and say to hell with those who aren't - regardless of virtue - then yeah, you're selfish.

No....good fortune or luck has nothing to do with it.  It you work hard to find and get a job with a good company (in my case it was usually large energy corporations), you deserve to reap the rewards of being employed by that company.  I took classes on my own to prepare for getting those jobs at my own expense.  People that neither take the time OR the effort or expenditure of money it may take to improve their skills have nobody to blame but themselves..... and certainly not due to "bad luck".  That, quite frankly, is bullshit.  Leftist bullshit, in fact.

[Bigun]

I'm probably the most harmless fuzzball here, and I used to be such an unholy terror.  I owe the improvement to my lovely Mrs. Liberty.

Mrs Bigun has been working on me for 49 years now.  Might get it done eventually!

[Cyber Liberty]

Thats what leftists do. You didn't build it. you didn't earn it. Your work means nothing unless it benefits something they want. Thats the way people like @Jazzhead always operate.

SO  STFU and get to work because there's Muslims to pay for and AIDS drugs to buy. Don't be selfish!