Author Topic: Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!  (Read 41963 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Emjay

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,687
  • Gender: Female
  • Womp, womp
Emjay that was a personal attack on Victoria

If I delete it I have to delete all the posts that quoted it therefore butchering the thread.

Everyone please refrain from personal attacks..

Sorry,  I will be a better girl in the future.
Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain.

Offline LonestarDream

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,061
@Emjay is just trying for civil discourse and constructive criticism . 

She has formidable debating skills and we used to be on different sides of issues when I was more  pro-Trump than she was....


Think it's time to put yo on the Bozo list, Emjay. Since you do nothing but personal attacks lately.
(?) Trump Realist    (*) Trump believer   (?) Never Trump,   Which are you ?

Offline Weird Tolkienish Figure

  • Technical
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,232
@Emjay is just trying for civil discourse and constructive criticism . 

She has formidable debating skills and we used to be on different sides of issues when I was more  pro-Trump than she was....


I can debate with RiV, you, and a whole slew of Trump supporters who make intelligent thoughtful arguments.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 04:25:05 pm by Weird Tolkienish Figure »

Offline LonestarDream

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,061
The post by @Emjay was not a "personal attack".  It was a well-reasoned and well-written assessment of the opinion posted by @Victoria33 ---

I agree.  Emjay was trying to raise the level of discourse, not belittle members.
(?) Trump Realist    (*) Trump believer   (?) Never Trump,   Which are you ?

Offline Restored

  • TBR Advisory Committee
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,659
Personally, I would like to meet the people who are shocked to find that Trump goes off about half-cocked all the time.
Countdown to Resignation

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 385,024
  • Let's Go Brandon!
Sorry,  I will be a better girl in the future.

Thanks....I appreciate it.
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 385,024
  • Let's Go Brandon!
WTF...I just asked for the personal attacks to stop..please delete yours re Emjay..she apologized.
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Weird Tolkienish Figure

  • Technical
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,232
WTF...I just asked for the personal attacks to stop..please delete yours re Emjay..she apologized.


All set.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 385,024
  • Let's Go Brandon!
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Wingnut

  • Guest
Sorry,  I will be a better girl in the future.

Damn Emma.  You just violated Gibbs rule #6. :smokin:

Offline DiogenesLamp

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,660

  One tweet from Trump caused this chaos - we have been in chaos due to him from the first day he was president and it will stay this way every single day he is president.


You are blaming Trump because he informed America that the Obama administration was spying on him?   

This thing appears to be Watergate on steroids,  and you are blaming Trump for the Chaos? 

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

Offline DiogenesLamp

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,660

This is not a nightmare  A nightmare would be if Hillary got elected. 


And it was many people's failure to understand just how much of a Nightmare Hillary would be that convinced me many people let their own emotions cloud their judgement.   (and some continue to do so.)


We dodged a massive bullet.   Hillary would have been a dire threat to our lives and freedom.  Trump causes chaos  instead of the "Order"  which Hitlery would impose? 


Viva La Chaos!   

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

Silver Pines

  • Guest
I'd like to see Trump get back to solving the country's problems like he said he was going to do in his address.  Let the investigation proceed, and let him focus on what's important.

Trump is the same person he was during the primaries and the election.  The guy knows how to manipulate people.  It's a skill he's mastered.  And he understands his supporters.  If anyone thinks that he doesn't get a charge out of tweeting to make himself look like a victim so that people will rush to his defense, well...that would be a very naive POV, I'll just say that.  I won't be pretending that he morphed into Winston Churchill the moment he took the oath of office.

I'm not saying there's nothing to the wiretapping thing.  But all we can do is speculate at this point.  I'd like to see the truth come out.  Keep in mind, too, that thanks to the Patriot Act, Trump can and probably will be doing some wiretapping of his own. 

I've said before that I will give Trump credit when it's due---as with the appointment of Gorsuch and his address last week---but I'll criticize him when deserved, as well.  I'd do the same with any president, and if someone can't deal with it, it's their problem.  I'm not going to play to the creeping notion that I have to be cheerleader for a politician or I'm helping the other side.  Let's face it, nothing we post here is doing that. 


Offline LonestarDream

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,061

You are blaming Trump because he informed America that the Obama administration was spying on him?   

This thing appears to be Watergate on steroids,  and you are blaming Trump for the Chaos?


+1000

DL , you remain a national treasure.
(?) Trump Realist    (*) Trump believer   (?) Never Trump,   Which are you ?

Offline Weird Tolkienish Figure

  • Technical
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,232
I've said before that I will give Trump credit when it's due---as with the appointment of Gorsuch and his address last week---but I'll criticize him when deserved, as well.  I'd do the same with any president, and if someone can't deal with it, it's their problem.  I'm not going to play to the creeping notion that I have to be cheerleader for a politician or I'm helping the other side.  Let's face it, nothing we post here is doing that.


To me there is a vocal contingent on this forum that want it to be that, just a rah-rah cheerleader forum for pro-Trump things.


If you wanted that, why wouldn't you go to somewhere like FreeRepublic?


 :shrug:


My understanding of this forum is that it's a place to discuss politics, which is what we're doing.

Offline DiogenesLamp

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,660

+1000

DL , you remain a national treasure.


Well thanks! I've always thought so,   and I am pleased to learn others think so as well.   :)   


‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

Offline libertybele

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 58,134
  • Gender: Female

To me there is a vocal contingent on this forum that want it to be that, just a rah-rah cheerleader forum for pro-Trump things.


If you wanted that, why wouldn't you go to somewhere like FreeRepublic?


 :shrug:


My understanding of this forum is that it's a place to discuss politics, which is what we're doing.

Indeed this is a Conservative forum in which there is a 'politics' thread to discuss and debate various different subjects and issues WITHOUT personal attacks, insults and expletives aimed or implied towards one another.

It goes both ways, some see you as a poster who posts everything and anything remotely possible about President Trump, why wouldn't you go somewhere like a Hillary support forum?   Just sayin'.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 04:57:09 pm by libertybele »
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Offline DiogenesLamp

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,660

To me there is a vocal contingent on this forum that want it to be that, just a rah-rah cheerleader forum for pro-Trump things.




You don't have to cheerlead,  but why keep repeating all the accusations his enemies make against him?   


I do not see how furthering their false claims supports conservatism.    I don't see how giving their websites traffic, furthers conservatism.   


As Winston Churchill said: 


Quote
"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

Silver Pines

  • Guest

To me there is a vocal contingent on this forum that want it to be that, just a rah-rah cheerleader forum for pro-Trump things.


If you wanted that, why wouldn't you go to somewhere like FreeRepublic?


 :shrug:


My understanding of this forum is that it's a place to discuss politics, which is what we're doing.


@Weird Tolkienish Figure

I actually like that we all don't fall in lockstep over here and agree with one another.  Parroting each others' posts and yelling "BUMP" gets boring.

I appreciate the fact that freedom of speech and of viewpoint is encouraged here and that none of us will be shutting up.

Offline Weird Tolkienish Figure

  • Technical
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,232
I do not see how furthering their false claims supports conservatism.    I don't see how giving their websites traffic, furthers conservatism.   


I'm not here to further conservatism, personally.  :shrug:


I have a conservative outlook, love liberty, freedom of choice, the constitution, and capitalism and I like discussing with other people.


Is that our job? To be a mouthpiece for the movement?

Offline XenaLee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,398
  • Gender: Female
  • Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

And it was many people's failure to understand just how much of a Nightmare Hillary would be that convinced me many people let their own emotions cloud their judgement.   (and some continue to do so.)


We dodged a massive bullet.   Hillary would have been a dire threat to our lives and freedom.  Trump causes chaos  instead of the "Order"  which Hitlery would impose? 


Viva La Chaos!

I am certainly NOT going to cheer and applaud the/any chaos that Trump, himself, creates either via his tweets or his words and deeds....  we had enough of that chaos crap over the past ten years with radical rule by the leftist Democrats.

What I will cheer is any time Trump manages to undo some of the damage Obama did to America and to Amercans (and is still trying to do).  This nitpicking BS of negatively attacking and presuming (assuming) that Trump is guilty every single time an issue comes up is really getting old..... and it smacks of a leftist agenda right here on this conservative forum.  It sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb..... and masquerades as a "never Trump vendetta".  Whether the intent of all of this 24/7 Trump bashing is to aid and abett our enemies within, the leftist Democrats, or not.....

the end result is still the same.
No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.

Offline Right_in_Virginia

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 80,247

I'm not here to further conservatism, personally.  :shrug:  I have a conservative outlook, love liberty, freedom of choice, the constitution, and capitalism and I like discussing with other people.  Is that our job? To be a mouthpiece for the movement?

There doesn't appear to be any middle ground in your posts @Weird Tolkienish Figure -- It sometimes seems you're all for conservative principles except when they come from the President.    Is it your job on this forum to be the mouthpiece for the opposition to the movement?  Is your role on this forum to post every word uttered against the POTUS---and defend it?

If so, that's okay with me.  All I ask is that you admit it, own it and not post out of both sides of your keyboard.



« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 05:14:09 pm by Right_in_Virginia »

Offline DiogenesLamp

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,660

I'm not here to further conservatism, personally.  :shrug:


I have a conservative outlook, love liberty, freedom of choice, the constitution, and capitalism and I like discussing with other people.



And you don't  think there is merit in furthering it? 



Is that our job? To be a mouthpiece for the movement?


Maybe not,  but is it your job to be a mouthpiece against it? 

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

Offline LonestarDream

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,061
We are pro America and pro Liberty by way of Trump , Cruz , Sessions, Levin or anyone else who can help promote American exceptionalism. 

Not P Ryan or Lindsey Graham or Valerie Jarrett or McCain.


To me there is a vocal contingent on this forum that want it to be that, just a rah-rah cheerleader forum for pro-Trump things.


If you wanted that, why wouldn't you go to somewhere like FreeRepublic?


 :shrug:


My understanding of this forum is that it's a place to discuss politics, which is what we're doing.
(?) Trump Realist    (*) Trump believer   (?) Never Trump,   Which are you ?

Offline DiogenesLamp

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,660
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —