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This obsession with Christian bakers is getting ridiculous.   This isn't about situational liberty, but of one person's liberty conflicting with another's.  What is one supposed to do in such a situation?   For me, it means backing the victim of arbitrary discrimination and opposing the bully.  It appears that you support the bully.     

What is ridiculous it your full throated support of leftist causes like abortion legality, gay marriage, Islam/sharia in America and Obamacare while claiming to be a conservative Christian.

Actually you went beyond ridiculous into laughable absurdity some time back but since it's fun to mock and poke holes in your leftist talking point reasoning, by all means, amuse me.

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Slippery slope arguments are what Trump haters love best.

When he used the word 'compassionate' a lot of people went nuts.  They immediately assumed that all illegal aliens would be invited to Mar a Lago and get to dance with Melania.
I have noticed a variety of normalcy bias which denies the very existence of the slippery slope until people are hurtling down it uncontrollably, wondering how they got there.

Peyton Place, No-fault divorce, the pill, Roe v Wade, 'If it feels good, do it", the "sexual revolution", 'Gay rights', 'Gay marriage', 'Gay PRIDE and protected status', Internet Porn, the ACA (to pay for the estimated trillion dollars and growing cost in healthcare for HIV/AIDS), Homosexuals marching in the SAINT Patrick's Day Parade, 'transgender-ism',  are all just mileposts. don't blink, they'll be coming up faster and faster unless someone puts on the brakes.

How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
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What is ridiculous it your full throated support of leftist causes like abortion legality, gay marriage, Islam/sharia in America and Obamacare while claiming to be a conservative Christian.

He's not fooling anyone on the board.  Everyone knows he is a full-throated liberal Leftie pretending to be a Conservative so as to push Liberalism in our midst and attempt in vain for us to see how his Leftism is 'reasonable' and ours is 'bigoted/racist/intolerant' etc.  The usual insults we get from the Left.

His views and arguments are as Godless, Hedonist, blasphemous as any biblically illiterate Secularist I've ever read.  He engages in the art of the Deceiver, plain and simple.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Peyton Place, No-fault divorce, the pill, Roe v Wade, 'If it feels good, do it", the "sexual revolution", 'Gay rights', 'Gay marriage', 'Gay PRIDE and protected status', Internet Porn, the ACA (to pay for the estimated trillion dollars and growing cost in healthcare for HIV/AIDS), Homosexuals marching in the SAINT Patrick's Day Parade, 'transgender-ism',  are all just mileposts. don't blink, they'll be coming up faster and faster unless someone puts on the brakes.

Jazzy here thinks it's racist/bigoted/intolerant/homophobic/anti-Muslim/tyranny to want to put the brakes on any of that.  He calls all of the above you mentioned 'freedom' and he says it is all spelled out in the Constitution despite being unable to show anyone where exactly in the Constitution those behaviors are enumerated rights.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Ignoring wickedness leavens the entire loaf regardless whether you ignore it or not.

Sexual perversion will not permit itself to be ignored.  It will seek to impose itself on the entirety for recognition, acknowledgment, benefit and celebration. In short order it always seeks to eliminate that which opposes it or it seeks to replace.

That is the way sin works.  It is never content to be equal or co-exist.  It will ALWAYS seek to dominate - for that is it's nature.

Grow up, people.  This sexual confusion thing is a fad made popular by liberals and Hollywood.

If we would ignore it, it WOULD go away... only a miniscule percentage of the population do not know what sex they are .... just look down...it's right there.

It's like Rosie O'Donnell.  When has she had work?  Anything since Sleepless in Seattle? She stays in the news because she enrages people and we fall for it.
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Jazzy here thinks it's racist/bigoted/intolerant/homophobic/anti-Muslim/tyranny to want to put the brakes on any of that.  He calls all of the above you mentioned 'freedom' and he says it is all spelled out in the Constitution despite being unable to show anyone where exactly in the Constitution those behaviors are enumerated rights.
Oh I have seen many of his assertions discussing the ACA. I guess the interesting part of that list is the velocity of those changes, starting in 1964, the TV 'soap opera' (named for the advertising, primarily household products for the housewife) started giving the impression that infidelity was commonplace. Starring Mia Farrow (Roman Polanski, anyone?) the soap became the worm that tunneled through the assumption of fidelity like a shipworm in an old hull. Believing that hanky-panky was going on, there were those who decided to 'even the score' even when there wasn't one to be evened. this was the beginning of the destruction of the 'Leave it to Beaver' household, and it accelerated. I could go on, but I won't. When I think back to those days, though, people who watched that stuff sure seemed to have less enduring marriages than those who didn't.
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I have noticed a variety of normalcy bias which denies the very existence of the slippery slope until people are hurtling down it uncontrollably, wondering how they got there.

Peyton Place, No-fault divorce, the pill, Roe v Wade, 'If it feels good, do it", the "sexual revolution", 'Gay rights', 'Gay marriage', 'Gay PRIDE and protected status', Internet Porn, the ACA (to pay for the estimated trillion dollars and growing cost in healthcare for HIV/AIDS), Homosexuals marching in the SAINT Patrick's Day Parade, 'transgender-ism',  are all just mileposts. don't blink, they'll be coming up faster and faster unless someone puts on the brakes.

I buy you books and I buy you books but you just won't learn.  Old saying...still true.

How are we supposed to put on the brakes?  They do it for attention and you give it to them every blessed day.
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I buy you books and I buy you books but you just won't learn.  Old saying...still true.

How are we supposed to put on the brakes?  They do it for attention and you give it to them every blessed day.
Daylight, just daylight. Pull back the rock and see what's squirming under there.

Pull back enough rocks, they're going to get uncomfortable. Ignore it, and they multiply. I'd rather expose the nonsense for what it is. YMMV
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Grow up, people.  This sexual confusion thing is a fad made popular by liberals and Hollywood.

If we would ignore it, it WOULD go away... only a miniscule percentage of the population do not know what sex they are .... just look down...it's right there.


That is not how sin works Emjay.  Scripture spells it out plainly - a little leaven, leavens the entire thing - for that is it's nature.  Tell the big lie over and over enough and even if the plumbing is right there - they will refuse to see it or call it what it is.

This culture IGNORED the sexual revolution - because like you - the adults at the time advocated the same thing you did; 'ignore them and they will grow out of it'.

Today we have homosexual marriage and polygamists and pedophiles are on deck already taking practice swings.

And the thing about the Homosexual Agenda - is it refuses to be ignored.  It will force itself on everyone and anyone, for that is it's nature already spelled out for us in Genesis 19.  Ignoring it didn't make that sin go away then, and it will not make it go away now, just the opposite will happen in fact.

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What I propose will save more lives than the coercive approach that you demand.  In no small part because there's no going back  -  women have their liberty, same as men,  and that genie isn't returning to its bottle.   If you want to reduce abortion - and it IS a moral horror, IMO - then it is going to have to be done by means of persuasion and support, not your police-state religious fascism.   


Police state?  No one is forcing a woman to have an abortion; only preserving the right of the fetus to live. Obviously a 3, 4 or 5 month old fetus should have the right to live but does not have the ability to speak for themselves.  When a woman consents to having sexual intercourse she is also consenting to assuming responsibility should she become pregnant. I believe it should be up to the states to enact abortion laws.  Kasich just passed a law in OH prohibiting abortion after 20 weeks ... do you think he is a religious facist?
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His views and arguments are as Godless, Hedonist, blasphemous as any biblically illiterate Secularist I've ever read.  He engages in the art of the Deceiver, plain and simple.

Thats what liberals do. My only question is it for fun or profit? Is he here spouting verbatim liberal talking points because he's paid to or because he simply believes in the left's agenda so strongly that he goes into the lions den to fight with the hated Christians and conservatives?

Right about now, when he's getting his agenda fed back to him is when threads end up locked or moved, thus diffusing the situation and he flitters off a few days, people forget how far left his arguments went and he begins anew. You can set your watch by it.

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Thats what liberals do. My only question is it for fun or profit? Is he here spouting verbatim liberal talking points because he's paid to or because he simply believes in the left's agenda so strongly that he goes into the lions den to fight with the hated Christians and conservatives?

Right about now, when he's getting his agenda fed back to him is when threads end up locked or moved, thus diffusing the situation and he flitters off a few days, people forget how far left his arguments went and he begins anew. You can set your watch by it.

Yeah.  I noticed that.  Wasn't sure if it was a tactic or not.

But he speaks exactly like a Godless Liberal Leftist in nearly all the arguments he posits.  I mean, literally almost word-for-word from their playbook.

I guess he assumes we are not wise to the agenda and thinks we can be persuaded.

He be wrong.

As he always shows himself to be.
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Jazzy here thinks it's racist/bigoted/intolerant/homophobic/anti-Muslim/tyranny to want to put the brakes on any of that.  He calls all of the above you mentioned 'freedom' and he says it is all spelled out in the Constitution despite being unable to show anyone where exactly in the Constitution those behaviors are enumerated rights.

He can't because it isn't there.  Gays could have had Civil Unions but they were going for marriage exactly to undermine others freedom to believe God is true and His Word is True.  For them undermining the very meaning of marriage was about undermining God.  If you can break down Gods Word until it is irrelevant to society you have made Christianity irrelevant.  We see it now in major church denominations.  Gay Priests and Pastors.  No such thing to God and they would have to ignore almost every part of Gods Word concerning a righteous life.
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He can't because it isn't there.  Gays could have had Civil Unions but they were going for marriage exactly to undermine others freedom to believe God is true and His Word is True.  For them undermining the very meaning of marriage was about undermining God.  If you can break down Gods Word until it is irrelevant to society you have made Christianity irrelevant.  We see it now in major church denominations.  Gay Priests and Pastors.  No such thing to God and they would have to ignore almost every part of Gods Word concerning a righteous life.

And now we see Churches caving into their demands.  This was the goal all along.

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He can't because it isn't there.  Gays could have had Civil Unions but they were going for marriage exactly to undermine others freedom to believe God is true and His Word is True.  For them undermining the very meaning of marriage was about undermining God.  If you can break down Gods Word until it is irrelevant to society you have made Christianity irrelevant.  We see it now in major church denominations.  Gay Priests and Pastors.  No such thing to God and they would have to ignore almost every part of Gods Word concerning a righteous life.

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And now we see Churches caving into their demands.  This was the goal all along.

It was.  I have known that all along.  Now many of our congregations are essentially a social club.  God is left out.  Those are the church's I avoid with a 10' pole.  God has left the building.  These are spoiled children that don't want the advise of the father.  God is our father in heaven and he gives us advise just as any father would.  Don't do drugs, don't drive under the influence.  Choose your friends carefully.  Don't follow people who are going in the wrong direction.

The church is heading in the wrong direction.  God isn't a horrible God.  He is a loving and kind God.  He is a father.  He doesn't give the advise to set unrealistic limits on freedom and He doesn't expect us to break chains on our own.  He is so loving that he gave his Son who bore all the burdens of sin on Himself for us.  We all sin and the lie has been to target these sins (sexual) in the church to make God a hater of a social class of people.  If homosexuality is OK so is pornography and all the sexual sins.  God says no, but he doesn't hate homosexuals.  He loves them.  Their sin is just sin.  Nothing special about them if you take it as God see's it.  He heals all sins.  But if we excuse one sin we are open to excuse them all.  Makes God irrelevant and powerless to change people.  It is simply saying that their sin is special and God can't heal them.
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He can't because it isn't there.  Gays could have had Civil Unions but they were going for marriage exactly to undermine others freedom to believe God is true and His Word is True.  For them undermining the very meaning of marriage was about undermining God. 

What paranoid nonsense.   What is at issue here is equality with respect to CIVIL marriage, not RELIGIOUS marriage.  A civil marriage is a civil contract.  It is not sanctified in any way, shape or reform.  No church is required to recognize a gay civil marriage. 

You remain free to believe in God in whatever way you wish.  Why do you care whether or not your neighbor has a civil marriage contract?   It undermines nothing of what you believe.  So mind your own business.   


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What paranoid nonsense.   What is at issue here is equality with respect to CIVIL marriage, not RELIGIOUS marriage.  A civil marriage is a civil contract.  It is not sanctified in any way, shape or reform.  No church is required to recognize a gay civil marriage. 

You remain free to believe in God in whatever way you wish.  Why do you care whether or not your neighbor has a civil marriage contract?   It undermines nothing of what you believe.  So mind your own business.

It simply isn't marriage.  You can call it a Civil Union but it is not marriage.  Homosexuals could have had overwhelming support to have their unions legalized for purposes of protecting them in case of illness of property division.  Having the state recognize them as committed to each other legally.  That was the initial argument that came out when committed partners couldn't get medical information or make medical decisions regarding partners.  And I would look at what you wrote and determine if it is true.  Homosexuals have been trying and quite successfully to get the church to sanctify homosexual sin and call it marriage.  It isn't.  The target by the gay gestapo was to undermine the meaning of marriage.

That is why they bankrupted the bakery who wouldn't make the gay cake.  They are forceful to make everyone accept their definition of marriage.

I wish homosexuals who do not accept the Bible as the True Word of God would mind their own business.  The Bible is for people who believe.  It is complete nonsense to those who don't.  And it isn't intended for anyone who doesn't want to accept it.  Marriage is not for homosexuals.


What does the Bible say about marriage?



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Marriage is a basic social institution that has been around for as far back as we have historical records—either in secular sources or in the Bible—although it has taken different forms at different times and in different cultures.

The Bible says that God performed the very first marriage on the sixth day of Creation week. “God created man in His own image...male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth’ ” (Genesis 1:27, 28, NKJV).

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• Top 10 Bible Verses About Marriage
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• Biblical Traits of a Godly Husband or Wife
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Two Become One Flesh

The Bible goes on to say that after God created Eve “He brought her to the man. And Adam said, ‘This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.’ . . . Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:22-24).

This account of the very first marriage highlights the fundamental characteristic of a godly marriage—a husband and wife become “one flesh.” Obviously, they remain two individuals, but in God’s ideal for marriage the two become one—in purpose.

They share the same values, the same goals, the same outlook. They work together to build a strong, godly family and raise their children to be good, godly people.

God Created Marriage in the Beginning

It’s important to note that God initiated this very first marriage in Eden. Marriage comes from God. And His union of Adam and Eve illustrates God’s ideal for marriage—one man and one woman joined together in a life-long commitment to each other, working together to form strong, godly families. Obviously, human beings haven’t always followed that ideal, but God’s way is still the best way.

Top 10 Bible Verses About Marriage

wedding bouquetThe Bible has a lot to say about marriage, so let’s make a “Top Ten List” of the most important Bible texts about marriage—and then look at each one more closely.

1) Mark 10:6-9 = God instituted marriage and gives it His blessing. (See also Genesis 1:27, 28; Hebrew 13:4)

2) Genesis 2:18 = God created humans with an innate need and desire for the close bond that marriage provides. (See also Proverbs 18:22)

3) Genesis 2:23, 24 = Husband and wife become “one” in the marriage bond. (See also Matthew 19:5, 6)

4) Ecclesiastes 9:9 = Marriage is a lifelong commitment. (See also Proverbs 5:18)

5) Ephesians 5:28, 33 = Husbands and wives are to love and respect each other.

6) II Corinthians 6:14 = Husbands and wives should be bonded together with a similarity of beliefs, goals, and objectives. (See also Deuteronomy 7:3, 4; Genesis 24:3, 4)

7) Exodus 20:17 = Husbands and wives are to be sexually faithful to each other in the marriage relationship. (See also Leviticus 18:20)

8) Matthew 5:32 = Adultery is the only biblically acceptable reason for divorce.

9) Isaiah 62:5 = An ideal marriage relationship mirrors God’s loving relationship with His people. (See also Isaiah 54:5; Ephesians 5:25)

10) Proverbs 31:10 = A strong marriage relationship is a precious thing.

 1) God Instituted Marriage and Blessed it

wedding cake“Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled” (Hebrew 13:4). We have already seen that God performed the very first wedding at the end of Creation week and blessed the new couple (Genesis 1:27, 28). Marriage is something that God Himself instituted and blessed. This is important, because it tells us that marriage is a good thing. It is one of the blessings that God has given us from the very beginning.

The Bible puts it like this: “From the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, . . . Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate” (Mark 10:6-9).

2) Close Bond in Marriage

“The Lord God said, ‘It is not good that man should be alone; I will make a helper comparable to him’ ” (Genesis 2:18). After each of the six days of Creation week, God reviewed what He had made and saw that it was “good.” But there was one thing in Eden that very first week that was not good! All the animals God had created, came in pairs—a male and a female. But there was no female for Adam! That is when God created Eve and performed the very first marriage (Genesis 2:21-24).

God made men and women to complement each other—physically, mentally, and socially. He built into our being a desire for the companionship of a husband or wife. That’s why the Bible says, “He who finds a wife finds a good thing, and obtains favor from the Lord” (Proverbs 18:22).

3) Husband and Wife Become One

“He [God[ brought her [Eve] to the man. And Adam said, ‘This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.’ Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:23, 24).

Have you ever noticed how couples who have been happily married for many years often seem to blend together on so many levels? They know what the other person is thinking and how their spouse will react to a given situation. They can finish each other’s sentences. They have so much history together that they almost feel like the other is an extension of themselves. That’s what the Bible is talking about when it says a husband and wife “become one flesh.”

4) Marriage: A Lifelong Commitment

“Live joyfully with the wife whom you love all the days of your . . . life” (Ecclesiastes 9:9). There is a reason the traditional marriage vow includes the phrase “till death do you part.” Marriage, as God intended it, is a commitment for life—during good times and bad.

5) Love and Respect in Marriage

“Husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies. . . . Let each one of you . . . so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband” (Ephesians 5:28, 33.) Without mutual love and respect on the part of husbands and wives, a marriage cannot last. Keep up the early attentions. Look for the positive qualities in your spouse, and nurture that respect and love that first drew you together.

6) Similarity in Beliefs, Goals, and Objectives

happy couple“Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14). Marriage is a blending of two lives into “one flesh.” This doesn’t mean that husbands and wives must think and feel exactly alike in everything. Marriage doesn’t extinguish individuality.

But if there is a broad divide in religious beliefs or other important issues, it will be much more difficult to achieve the oneness that God envisions for an ideal marriage. Forging a strong marriage is not easy at best, and becomes even more challenging when couples must try to bridge major differences.

7) Faithful in Marriage

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife” (Exodus 20:17). “You shall not lie carnally with your neighbor’s wife, to defile yourself with her” (Leviticus 18:20). One of the important objectives of marriage is to direct the human sexual drive into appropriate channels. There is a great lack of sexual restraint in society today, but it would be infinitely greater without the divine mandates restricting sexual activity to marriage and the social constraints that try to do the same. Sexual infidelity is devastating to a marriage—even for those who have little or no religious beliefs.

8) Adultery and Divorce

Jesus said, “Whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery” (Matthew 5:32). This grows out of the principle stated above—that sexual faithfulness in marriage is vital. Jesus’ statement is a difficult one. It is a clear biblical teaching. Jesus doesn’t offer any exceptions or alternatives. But it is not easy to know how to apply it in the dysfunctional world we live in today. Perhaps the best we can do is to know that Jesus understands just what it is to be human, and He sympathizes with us in our weaknesses (see Hebrews 4:15).

9) Marriage Mirrors God’s Relationship with His people

“As the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall your God rejoice over you” (Isaiah 62:5). Throughout the Bible, God presents Himself as the husband of His people. His church is His bride whom He loves and cherishes (Ephesians 5:25-27). Marriage is the closest, most intimate relationship we can experience here on earth, and God uses it to illustrate the intimate relationship He wants to have with you and me!

10) Marriage is Precious

Who can find a virtuous wife? For her worth is far above rubies. The heart of her husband safely trusts in her” (Proverbs 31:10).

 

 Biblical Traits of a Good Husband or Wife

marriage older coupleProverbs 31 has been called a description of “The Ideal Wife.” And it’s true that the chapter, as written, focuses on the wife. But in reality the ideal qualities given in this chapter apply equally to a husband as well as to a wife. So how does the Bible define a good wife (or husband)? Here is a list of characteristics based on Proverbs 31. Look up the verses and see for yourself how they are described. Can you find other qualities in this chapter that are not listed here?

 
1. Dependable (verse 11)
2. A positive outlook that brings out the best in one’s spouse (verse 12)
3. Hardworking (verse 13)
4. Provides for the household (verse 15)
5. Thrifty (verse 16)
6. Compassionate and aware of others people’s needs (verse 20)
7. Is a credit to one’s spouse in the community (verse 23)
8. Kind (verse 26)
9. Loved and respected by the children and by one’s spouse (verse 28)
10. Has a good reputation outside the home (verse 31)

 

 Bible Examples of a Good and a Bad Marriage

marriage with BibleOne of the ways the Bible teaches us is by stories and examples (1 Corinthians 10:11). And in the area of marriage, the Bible gives us examples of good marriages and bad ones. For an example of a good marriage, read the story of Ruth and Boaz. You’ll find it in the short, Old Testament book of Ruth. It’s only four chapters. As you read the story of their marriage—how they met and came together—look for the elements that made their marriage a success and a union that God could bless. Ruth and Boaz lived in a very different time and culture than we do today, so some of the details may seem strange to you. But the principles of a good marriage are timeless.

For an example of a bad marriage—a really bad marriage—read the story of Samson and Delilah. It’s told in chapters 14, 15, and 16 of the book of Judges. Look for the reasons this marriage was doomed from the beginning. What made it such a dysfunctional relationship? Notice particularly the tragic ending. We can learn a lot from the examples of others—good and bad.

Conclusion

What does the Bible say about marriage? It says that marriage is a blessing given to us by God to make our lives richer and more fulfilling. It says that a good marriage not only draws us closer to our spouse, it can draw us closer to God. “He who finds a wife [or she who finds a husband] finds a good thing, and obtains favor from the Lord” (Proverbs 18:22).


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What paranoid nonsense.


That is exactly what one expects to hear from Biblically illiterate and ignorant Godless Secular Hedonists when referencing those quoting the Bible. 


What is at issue here is equality with respect to CIVIL marriage, not RELIGIOUS marriage. 

No such thing.  Marriage is an institution created by God.  There is no such thing as 'civil marriage'.  That is just your stupid and moronic attempt to justify the hijacking and perversion of said institution to loft deviancy to superior-status.

A civil marriage is a civil contract.  It is not sanctified in any way, shape or reform.  No church is required to recognize a gay civil marriage.

Liar.  The leaders of the Homosexual movement themselves have said forcing all churches to recognize and perform homosexual marriage is their goal. All under the guise of "equality" that time-oft used term that you use quite liberally to justify your Liberal Leftism on this board.


You remain free to believe in God in whatever way you wish. 

Liar.

You implied yourself that those who believe in the biblical God, whom you disagree with in accords to your sacraments of abortion, transgenderism and homosexuality, are bigots whom you seek to use government and the courts to punish and fine.

Why do you care whether or not your neighbor has a civil marriage contract?   It undermines nothing of what you believe.  So mind your own business.

We would, but hedonists like yourself are working to force businesses and individuals to cater, celebrate, acknowledge, perform and provide for abomination and sin.  You have no intention of mind your own perversions.  You seek to force it upon the rest of us by law.

So we intend to resist by every means, tyrants like yourself.
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That is exactly what one expects to hear from Biblically illiterate and ignorant Godless Secular Hedonists when referencing those quoting the Bible. 

No such thing.  Marriage is an institution created by God.  There is no such thing as 'civil marriage'.  That is just your stupid and moronic attempt to justify the hijacking and perversion of said institution to loft deviancy to superior-status.

Liar.  The leaders of the Homosexual movement themselves have said forcing all churches to recognize and perform homosexual marriage is their goal. All under the guise of "equality" that time-oft used term that you use quite liberally to justify your Liberal Leftism on this board.


Liar.

You implied yourself that those who believe in the biblical God, whom you disagree with in accords to your sacraments of abortion, transgenderism and homosexuality, are bigots whom you seek to use government and the courts to punish and fine.

We would, but hedonists like yourself are working to force businesses and individuals to cater, celebrate, acknowledge, perform and provide for abomination and sin.  You have no intention of mind your own perversions.  You seek to force it upon the rest of us by law.

So we intend to resist by every means, tyrants like yourself.

Amen.  Thank you.
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It simply isn't marriage.  You can call it a Civil Union which it is not marriage.  And I would look at what you wrote and determine if it is true.  Homosexuals have been trying and quite successfully to get the church to sanctify homosexual sin and call it marriage.  It isn't. 


Civil marriage is recognized by the government as affording the various rights and obligations that the state conveys to married couples.  In that sense, a civil marriage is a perfectly real thing.  But it is not religious marriage.  And I would stand with you in opposing those who would compel churches to sanctify or recognize civil marriages for religious purposes.

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That is why they bankrupted the bakery who wouldn't make the gay cake.  They are forceful to make everyone accept their definition of marriage.

The baker purposefully violated the law against unlawful discrimination.  That law existed before civil marriage equality was recognized.  The victims of unlawful discrimination have the right to sue.  The baker's bankruptcy was the result of his own decision to bully the wrong victim.   

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I wish homosexuals who do not accept the Bible as the True Word of God would mind their own business.  The Bible is for people who believe.  It is complete nonsense to those who don't.  And it isn't intended for anyone who doesn't want to accept it.  Marriage is not for homosexuals.


Civil marriage is now the right of homosexuals just as it is for straights.  Get used to it.  It's no skin off of your nose.  Your religious marriage is unaffected by what my neighbors choose to do.  So leave them alone, and they'll most likely leave you alone.  If they don't, maybe it's because they view you as trying to cram your Bible down their throats.   

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Civil marriage is recognized by the government as affording the various rights and obligations that the state conveys to married couples.  In that sense, a civil marriage is a perfectly real thing.  But it is not religious marriage.  And I would stand with you in opposing those who would compel churches to sanctify or recognize civil marriages for religious purposes.

The baker purposefully violated the law against unlawful discrimination.  That law existed before civil marriage equality was recognized.  The victims of unlawful discrimination have the right to sue.  The baker's bankruptcy was the result of his own decision to bully the wrong victim.   
 

Civil marriage is now the right of homosexuals just as it is for straights.  Get used to it.  It's no skin off of your nose.  Your religious marriage is unaffected by what my neighbors choose to do.  So leave them alone, and they'll most likely leave you alone.  If they don't, maybe it's because they view you as trying to cram your Bible down their throats.   
If you were the Christian you claim to be, you wouldn't be slamming YOUR OWN religious morality like that now would you? Certainly you wouldn't be on a conservative forum fighting to keep abortion legal and arguing that Christian religious morality were somehow fascist.

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Civil marriage is recognized by the government as affording the various rights and obligations that the state conveys to married couples.  In that sense, a civil marriage is a perfectly real thing.  But it is not religious marriage.  And I would stand with you in opposing those who would compel churches to sanctify or recognize civil marriages for religious purposes.

Oh sure you would just jump to you next paragraph where you deny the baker his faith and freedom to serve whoever he chooses.  You effectively said he is a bully and he needs to recognize "civil marriage".  He doesn't

All businesses have the right to deny service.  A restaurant can deny service if someone comes in dirty or without appropriate clothing.........etc. 

The baker purposefully violated the law against unlawful discrimination.  That law existed before civil marriage equality was recognized.  The victims of unlawful discrimination have the right to sue.  The baker's bankruptcy was the result of his own decision to bully the wrong victim.   

It isn't discrimination.  It is a business making a decision based on their religious freedom.
 

Civil marriage is now the right of homosexuals just as it is for straights.  Get used to it.  It's no skin off of your nose.  Your religious marriage is unaffected by what my neighbors choose to do.  So leave them alone, and they'll most likely leave you alone.  If they don't, maybe it's because they view you as trying to cram your Bible down their throats.   

If there is any cramming being done it is by homosexuals to the Body of God.  Again Civil Unions is the term for homosexual unions.  Just because the state calls it marriage doesn't make it true.

Discrimination.....

Is a Islamic store discriminating by serving only Halal meat?  Is a Jewish bakery discriminating by only Kosher food?

Can a store enjoy the freedom (Constitutional) to determine its customer base.  To refuse to go outside of that base on a Constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion?  Freedom to have or not have religion and to follow the dictates of such religion?

Owning a business doesn't dictate you must disregard your faith.
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Civil marriage is recognized by the government as affording the various rights and obligations that the state conveys to married couples.  In that sense, a civil marriage is a perfectly real thing.  But it is not religious marriage.

Marriage by it's very creation is religious in institution. You Statists could have your precious government decree that human and animal unions are 'civil marriage' and it would be no more truthful than when you people declare homosexual unions 'marriage'.

And I would stand with you in opposing those who would compel churches to sanctify or recognize civil marriages for religious purposes.

Who do you think you are kidding?  You'll fling the term 'Bigot' and 'intolerant' the same as you do now when anyone refuses to violate their conscience and partake in celebrating, performing, acknowledging and regarding homosexuality as evil and sinful. 

The baker purposefully violated the law against unlawful discrimination. 

Same charge you will throw at churches who refuse to wed homosexuals once they get the refusal of churches to recognize and perform homosexual weddings as illegal discrimination.

The baker's bankruptcy was the result of his own decision to bully the wrong victim. 

Your homosexual 'victim' agenda exists to do nothing more than bully every institution and person that refuses to accept, condone, acknowledge and celebrate their perversions.   
 
Civil marriage is now the right of homosexuals just as it is for straights.  Get used to it.  It's no skin off of your nose.

Get used to resistance to the point of bloodshed then.  We have no intention whatsoever to obey men like you who order us to disobey God. 

Your religious marriage is unaffected by what my neighbors choose to do.

Genesis 19 tells us differently and declares such a statement to be utter crap.


  So leave them alone, and they'll most likely leave you alone.  If they don't, maybe it's because they view you as trying to cram your Bible down their throats.   

Right, that is why they are advocating sending minions to church services to record and then bring charges against pastors or persons who preach against their perversion and declare it to be the sin it is.  You're not able to fool anyone on this board with such bullshiite lies when we are fully aware that our very existence in faith, worship, belief and refusal to capitulate to abomination is considered to be 'forcing our bibles down their throats'.
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Marriage by it's very creation is religious in institution. You Statists could have your precious government decree that human and animal unions are 'civil marriage' and it would be no more truthful than when you people declare homosexual unions 'marriage'.

Who do you think you are kidding?  You'll fling the term 'Bigot' and 'intolerant' the same as you do now when anyone refuses to violate their conscience and partake in celebrating, performing, acknowledging and regarding homosexuality as evil and sinful. 

Same charge you will throw at churches who refuse to wed homosexuals once they get the refusal of churches to recognize and perform homosexual weddings as illegal discrimination.

Your homosexual 'victim' agenda exists to do nothing more than bully every institution and person that refuses to accept, condone, acknowledge and celebrate their perversions.   
 
Get used to resistance to the point of bloodshed then.  We have no intention whatsoever to obey men like you who order us to disobey God. 

Genesis 19 tells us differently and declares such a statement to be utter crap.


Right, that is why they are advocating sending minions to church services to record and then bring charges against pastors or persons who preach against their perversion and declare it to be the sin it is.  You're not able to fool anyone on this board with such bullshiite lies when we are fully aware that our very existence in faith, worship, belief and refusal to capitulate to abomination is considered to be 'forcing our bibles down their throats'.

And the charge against the church and its tax free status is where they are choosing to attack.   They have successfully politicized marriage.  Just the church existing is too much for homosexuals.  The Bible is discrimination to them.  Nobody is forcing them to read it.  In fact it isn't for anyone who doesn't choose to abide by it.  Christianity is free will choice.
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.