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White House punts new travel order to next week
« on: February 22, 2017, 11:21:14 pm »
White House punts new travel order to next week
By Jordan Fabian - 02/22/17 06:11 PM EST

The White House is pushing back the release of a revised executive order on travel and refugees until next week, an official said Wednesday.
 
No explanation was given for the delay, and it remains unclear how the White House will tweak the travel ban to avoid future legal pitfalls.
 
“Fundamentally you’re going to have the same basic policy outcome for the country,” White House policy adviser Stephen Miller said on Fox News on Tuesday night.

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 12:22:14 am »
Good. Double dog dot every i and cross every t.

Meanwhile those that are here are thinking about self- deporting.....


Oh wait....

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2017, 12:28:51 am »
No explanation was given for the delay,

Tillerson is meeting with the king of the wetbacks this week. That may have something to do with it.

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2017, 12:36:21 am »
No explanation was given for the delay, and it remains unclear how the White House will tweak the travel ban to avoid future legal pitfalls.

Translation: "OK, that ultra-important emergency stay that everybody was shouting about a couple of weeks ago turns out not to have been much of an emergency after all."


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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 12:36:54 am »
No explanation was given for the delay,

Tillerson is meeting with the king of the wetbacks this week. That may have something to do with it.

Wow, Frank.  Alcohol and meth don't mix well, apparently.

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 12:39:28 am »
No explanation was given for the delay,

Tillerson is meeting with the king of the wetbacks this week. That may have something to do with it.

Very astute point.  I would actually be for giving 10K per volunteer so the folks could resettle in their homeland.  Only trouble would be the criteria for re-entry in the US as a 'tourist'.

Much cheaper than welfare or paying to inhumanly imprison these people.  They could then re apply to come back from their homeland in a legal and humane way, but the numbers to legally immigrate would be limited by a lottery.

Charity and policies to improve Mexico's economy would be more meaningful way to help those who are good people.

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2017, 12:50:03 am »
Wow, Frank.  Alcohol and meth don't mix well, apparently.

Don't like Illegals and I don't like the human debris Mexican Govt' that is pulling out all the stops to flood them over our border. As far as I am concerned the wetbacks are as dangerous as the Chinamen and the Soviets because their stated goal is to destabilize the US.

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2017, 01:18:26 am »
There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

http://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-the-us-taxpayer

So if we gave each family 10K to leave and they did, it would cost 37 Billion dollars. 

But $37 Billion < $54.5 Billion ,
so the payouts would pay for themselves in less than a year.


White House punts new travel order to next week
By Jordan Fabian - 02/22/17 06:11 PM EST

The White House is pushing back the release of a revised executive order on travel and refugees until next week, an official said Wednesday.
 
No explanation was given for the delay, and it remains unclear how the White House will tweak the travel ban to avoid future legal pitfalls.
 
“Fundamentally you’re going to have the same basic policy outcome for the country,” White House policy adviser Stephen Miller said on Fox News on Tuesday night.

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2017, 01:20:36 am »
    Direct benefits. These include Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, and workers’ compensation.
    Means-tested welfare benefits. There are over 80 of these programs which, at a cost of nearly $900 billion per year, provide cash, food, housing, medical, and other services to roughly 100 million low-income Americans. Major programs include Medicaid, food stamps, the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit, public housing, Supplemental Security Income, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.
    Public education. At a cost of $12,300 per pupil per year, these services are largely free or heavily subsidized for low-income parents.
    Population-based services. Police, fire, highways, parks, and similar services, as the National Academy of Sciences determined in its study of the fiscal costs of immigration, generally have to expand as new immigrants enter a community; someone has to bear the cost of that expansion.

 

The cost of these governmental services is far larger than many people imagine. For example, in 2010, the average U.S. household received $31,584 in government benefits and services in these four categories.

The governmental system is highly redistributive. Well-educated households tend to be net tax contributors: The taxes they pay exceed the direct and means-tested benefits, education, and population-based services they receive. For example, in 2010, in the whole U.S. population, households with college-educated heads, on average, received $24,839 in government benefits while paying $54,089 in taxes. The average college-educated household thus generated a fiscal surplus of $29,250 that government used to finance benefits for other households.

Other households are net tax consumers: The benefits they receive exceed the taxes they pay. These households generate a “fiscal deficit” that must be financed by taxes from other households or by government borrowing. For example, in 2010, in the U.S. population as a whole, households headed by persons without a high school degree, on average, received $46,582 in government benefits while paying only $11,469 in taxes. This generated an average fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $35,113.

The high deficits of poorly educated households are important in the amnesty debate because the typical unlawful immigrant has only a 10th-grade education. Half of unlawful immigrant households are headed by an individual with less than a high school degree, and another 25 percent of household heads have only a high school degree.
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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2017, 02:20:37 am »
This EO from the President is about protecting Americans from unvetted "refugees" and "travelers" from seven terrorist-laden countries --- not illegal immigration and the wall or Tillerson's meeting with Mexican officials. 

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2017, 02:29:45 am »
This EO from the President is about protecting Americans from unvetted "refugees" and "travelers" from seven terrorist-laden countries --- not illegal immigration and the wall or Tillerson's meeting with Mexican officials.


Point

Then why the delay?
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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2017, 02:41:06 am »

Point

Then why the delay?

I don't know ... but I like to think Kelly and Sessions are spending the time anticipating objections and preemptively defusing them.   ^-^



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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2017, 02:45:09 am »
I don't know ... but I like to think Kelly and Sessions are spending the time anticipating objections and preemptively defusing them.   ^-^

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2017, 03:03:46 am »
   He's way ahead of schedule as far as I expected, I just want him to get it right this time, his first endeavor in this ordeal was a CF.
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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2017, 05:36:18 am »
Don't like Illegals and I don't like the human debris Mexican Govt' that is pulling out all the stops to flood them over our border. As far as I am concerned the wetbacks are as dangerous as the Chinamen and the Soviets because their stated goal is to destabilize the US.
Are we talking about the travel ban against the towelheads, or is the newly tweaked ban going to include the mexican rapist and murders too?

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2017, 06:00:27 am »
No explanation was given for the delay,

Tillerson is meeting with the king of the wetbacks this week. That may have something to do with it.

I object to the use of the word 'punt' in this headline.  It has a negative tone.  How about postpone or delay?
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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2017, 06:03:26 am »
Very astute point.  I would actually be for giving 10K per volunteer so the folks could resettle in their homeland.  Only trouble would be the criteria for re-entry in the US as a 'tourist'.

Much cheaper than welfare or paying to inhumanly imprison these people.  They could then re apply to come back from their homeland in a legal and humane way, but the numbers to legally immigrate would be limited by a lottery.

Charity and policies to improve Mexico's economy would be more meaningful way to help those who are good people.

You sound like a nice person.  How about improving our own economy first and, by the way, we don't make Mexican policies.

I read somewhere that the walls that already exist are paying for themselves because every illegal that doesn't make it over saves us a whole bunch of money.

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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2017, 11:30:20 am »
I object to the use of the word 'punt' in this headline.  It has a negative tone.  How about postpone or delay?

It is all negative all the time.  Even though we are winning like have not won since Calvin Coolidge. 
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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2017, 11:34:54 am »
You sound like a nice person.  How about improving our own economy first and, by the way, we don't make Mexican policies.

I read somewhere that the walls that already exist are paying for themselves because every illegal that doesn't make it over saves us a whole bunch of money.


Charity to Mexico is not setting Mexican policy.  And the above would help put the 95 Million unemployed Americans back to work-- they can work at the 7-11 or hang sheet rock etc.

The American Economy would also be helped by not having to tax the productive americans to pay for the illegals .  See above.. ^
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Re: White House punts new travel order to next week
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2017, 11:37:36 am »
Good sign IMO.


Trump and his team want to get this EO right, address the issues.


No problem with this at all.