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What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« on: February 20, 2017, 01:25:23 am »
Just because thread creep on another topic..

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It’s understandable that the world didn’t much care about Gamergate. The 2014 hashtag campaign, ostensibly founded to protest about perceived ethical failures in games journalism, clearly thrived on hate – even though many of those who aligned themselves with the movement either denied there was a problem with harassment, or wrote it off as an unfortunate side effect. Sure, women, minorities and progressive voices within the industry were suddenly living in fear. Sure, those who spoke out in their defence were quickly silenced through exhausting bursts of online abuse. But that wasn’t why people supported it, right? They were disenfranchised, felt ignored, and wanted to see a systematic change.....

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trump



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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2017, 04:50:59 am »
Quote from: AbaraXas on February 20, 2017, 01:25:23 am
Just because thread creep on another topic..

The Guardian?   ... Really?   **nononono*
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2017, 01:37:13 pm »
Can someone define 'alt-right' ?

Didn't think so.  The same way no one could really define the term 'neocon'.  The Democratic strategists simply whipped it up out of thin air.

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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2017, 01:54:53 pm »
Quote from: Hondo69 on February 20, 2017, 01:37:13 pm
Can someone define 'alt-right' ?

Didn't think so.  The same way no one could really define the term 'neocon'.  The Democratic strategists simply whipped it up out of thin air.

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What do you say we put me in charge of the tightly controlled media talking points for a month?  I'll change the political landscape so quick no one will even notice Nancy Pelosi being carted off in a straight jacket.

Alt Right is easy. Its the same as the Euro right. They're ethnocentric socialist nationalists.

They're just too stupid to know the difference between the euro right and the right of the anglosphere. They hear the word "right" and think its the same all over the world. It isn't.
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2017, 02:06:33 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on February 20, 2017, 01:54:53 pm
Alt Right is easy. Its the same as the Euro right. They're ethnocentric socialist nationalists.

They're just too stupid to know the difference between the euro right and the right of the anglosphere. They hear the word "right" and think its the same all over the world. It isn't.

Bingo!
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2017, 03:24:48 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on February 20, 2017, 01:54:53 pm
Alt Right is easy. Its the same as the Euro right. They're ethnocentric socialist nationalists.

They're just too stupid to know the difference between the euro right and the right of the anglosphere. They hear the word "right" and think its the same all over the world. It isn't.


Well said.
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2017, 03:28:24 pm »
It’s understandable that the world didn’t much care about Gamergate.

And I still don't.
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2017, 03:36:21 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on February 20, 2017, 01:54:53 pm
Alt Right is easy. Its the same as the Euro right. They're ethnocentric socialist nationalists.

They're just too stupid to know the difference between the euro right and the right of the anglosphere. They hear the word "right" and think its the same all over the world. It isn't.

That is essentially correct. The American Right has long been the home of small-government patriots, not big-government nationalists.

The time is coming when conservatives must decide what they truly stand for, not as a "litmus test", but as a statement of essential principles. We can always disagree about priorities, programs, tactics, and strategy, but at the core, there must exist a set of unshakeable beliefs that define what it means to be an American "conservative".  The "alt-Right", in my judgment falls badly short of representing those principles.   
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2017, 04:03:08 pm »
Quote from: andy58-in-nh on February 20, 2017, 03:36:21 pm
That is essentially correct. The American Right has long been the home of small-government patriots, not big-government nationalists.

The time is coming when conservatives must decide what they truly stand for, not as a "litmus test", but as a statement of essential principles. We can always disagree about priorities, programs, tactics, and strategy, but at the core, there must exist a set of unshakeable beliefs that define what it means to be an American "conservative".  The "alt-Right", in my judgment falls badly short of representing those principles.

I don't understand why it is but there does appear to be a language connection. (The Anglosphere) Right wing conservatism is recognizable to us in the English speaking world of Britain, Canada, Australia, and the USA. Even in places like Nigeria where English is the official language we can find ideological brotherhood.

As far as the Euro right is concerned there are groups like the Golden Dawn party in Greece. I remember FReepers getting all excited about them because the Golden Dawn was described as "right wing". The reality is that the Golden Dawn are neonazis. They may want to get rid of the muslims in Greece but they also want to get rid of the Jews they blame for driving Muslims out of their homes and to Europe. They opposed austerity and supported national socialism.
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2017, 04:23:44 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on February 20, 2017, 04:03:08 pm
As far as the Euro right is concerned there are groups like the Golden Dawn party in Greece. I remember FReepers getting all excited about them because the Golden Dawn was described as "right wing". The reality is that the Golden Dawn are neonazis. They may want to get rid of the muslims in Greece but they also want to get rid of the Jews they blame for driving Muslims out of their homes and to Europe. They opposed austerity and supported national socialism.
It's hard for me to fathom that anyone with a minimal third-grade education cannot see that Golden Dawn is a neo-Nazi party:

Truly: what was your first clue, folks?
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2017, 04:34:46 pm »
Quote from: andy58-in-nh on February 20, 2017, 04:23:44 pm
It's hard for me to fathom that anyone with a minimal third-grade education cannot see that Golden Dawn is a neo-Nazi party:

Truly: what was your first clue, folks?

Obviously, because they're all wearing trucker caps?
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2017, 04:58:50 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on February 20, 2017, 04:03:08 pm
I don't understand why it is but there does appear to be a language connection. (The Anglosphere) Right wing conservatism is recognizable to us in the English speaking world of Britain, Canada, Australia, and the USA. Even in places like Nigeria where English is the official language we can find ideological brotherhood.

As far as the Euro right is concerned there are groups like the Golden Dawn party in Greece. I remember FReepers getting all excited about them because the Golden Dawn was described as "right wing". The reality is that the Golden Dawn are neonazis. They may want to get rid of the muslims in Greece but they also want to get rid of the Jews they blame for driving Muslims out of their homes and to Europe. They opposed austerity and supported national socialism.

Even now, if you claim that Golden Dawn is neo-nazi, they'll claim you are being politically correct and they are just anti-muslim. Hell, they are still cheering them for the most part.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Afreerepublic.com+golden+dawn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (compare the last few years to older ones to see the shift)

How long until they start defending Stormfront, CCC, or AmRen like that?
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2017, 05:02:02 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on February 20, 2017, 04:58:50 pm
Even now, if you claim that Golden Dawn is neo-nazi, they'll claim you are being politically correct and they are just anti-muslim. Hell, they are still cheering them for the most part.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Afreerepublic.com+golden+dawn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

How long until they start defending Stormfront, CCC, or AmRen like that?

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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2017, 05:06:09 pm »
Quote from: andy58-in-nh on February 20, 2017, 03:36:21 pm
That is essentially correct. The American Right has long been the home of small-government patriots, not big-government nationalists.

The time is coming when conservatives must decide what they truly stand for, not as a "litmus test", but as a statement of essential principles. We can always disagree about priorities, programs, tactics, and strategy, but at the core, there must exist a set of unshakeable beliefs that define what it means to be an American "conservative".  The "alt-Right", in my judgment falls badly short of representing those principles.

I agree.  Conservatives ally with the alt-right at their peril.   Buckley in the sixties demanded that conservatism cleanse itself of anti-Semitism.    The time for rejection of white nationalism is upon us again -  but it will be tougher for us this time around so long as many believe that Trump isn't uncomfortable with the devil's bargain.
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2017, 05:12:48 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on February 20, 2017, 04:34:46 pm
Obviously, because they're all wearing trucker caps?

It does explain a lot.
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2017, 05:54:09 am »
Quote from: Hondo69 on February 20, 2017, 01:37:13 pm
Can someone define 'alt-right' ?

Didn't think so.  The same way no one could really define the term 'neocon'.  The Democratic strategists simply whipped it up out of thin air.

Do you mean such "strategists" as Richard B. Spencer---the white supremacist who takes credit for coining the term by way of his
having created and edited the Website AlternativeRight.com from 2010-2012? Or Paul Gottfried, who spoke of the "alternative right" when
addressing the H.L. Mencken Club in 2008? Or Breitbart's Allum Bokhari and Milo Yiannapoulous, who published an essay on the alt-right
that was taken to be a kind of manifesto in which they traced the alt-right to the Old Right and the paleoconservatives who emerged in the
1990s? (Spencer, by the way, was once an assistant editor at The American Conservative, a magazine not exactly unfriendly to the
actual or alleged alt-right, until he was canned because his opinions were considered a little too extreme even for them.)

It may be fair to attribute the alt-right tag to that combination, who certainly a) didn't think they were pulling it out of thin air, and b)
aren't exactly known to be Democrats. But you certainly can't blame the Democrats for pouncing on the phrase and the concept
as yet another catch-all for all on the right, since they will pounce on it and use it as a club thus . . .
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Re: What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2017, 06:36:41 am »

Could we have some perspective, since this appears to be the most popular topic here.

Approximately how many of these bad people are there out there, country by country?

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