Defense Sec. James Mattis on Pres. Trump calling the press the "enemy of the American people": "I don't have any issues with the press."

[EC]

[Chosen Daughter]

Skeeter is a complete idiot and utter fool. Nobody is arguing the media isn't biased.

Of course it is.  And we are all capable of determining what is right.  If we had a state run Trump media it would be biased too.

[skeeter]

Of course it is.  And we are all capable of determining what is right.  If we had a state run Trump media it would be biased too.

Pardon me if I misunderstood but you appear to imply an equivalence in media treatment of the two parties in your post 5.

[MOD3]

Skeeter is a complete idiot and utter fool. Nobody is arguing the media isn't biased.

Even inventive insults become boring after a full day of them. Let's take a deep breath, then apologize.

[Chosen Daughter]

Pardon me if I misunderstood but you appear to imply an equivalence in media treatment of the two parties in your post 5.

What two parties?  There isn't anymore.  Where have you been.  Conservatives and Rhino's are no longer Republicans remember.  The right is more divided than ever. 

Political affiliations


Trump's political party affiliation has changed numerous times over the years. Trump's political party affiliations prior to 1987 remain unclear, though Trump was an early supporter of Republican Ronald Reagan for United States President in the late 1970s.[286] By 1987, Trump had identified as a Republican.[287]

In 1999, Trump switched to the Reform Party for three years and ran a presidential exploratory campaign for its nomination. After his run, Trump left the party in 2001 due to the involvement of David Duke, Pat Buchanan, and Lenora Fulani.[288]

From 2001 to 2008, Trump identified as a Democrat, but in 2008, he endorsed Republican John McCain for President. In 2009, he officially changed his party registration to Republican.[289] In December 2011, Trump became an independent for five months before returning to the Republican Party, where he later pledged to stay.[290][291]

Trump has made contributions to campaigns of both Republican Party and Democratic Party candidates, with the top ten recipients of his political contributions being six Democrats and four Republicans.[292] After 2011, his campaign contributions were more favorable to Republicans than to Democrats.[293] In February 2012, Trump openly endorsed Republican Mitt Romney for President.[294] When asked in 2015 which recent president he prefers, Trump picked Democrat Bill Clinton over the Republican Bushes.[295][296]

According to a New York state report, Trump circumvented corporate and personal campaign donation limits in the 1980s—although no laws were broken—by donating money to candidates from 18 different business subsidiaries, rather than donating primarily in his own name.[297][298] Trump told investigators he did so on the advice of his lawyers. He also said the contributions were not to gain favor with business-friendly candidates, but simply to satisfy requests from friends.[297][299]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Trump is a new party.  He said it.  Workers Party. He isn't either left or right.  Which gives him the advantage to claim all bias except what comes from him.

[skeeter]

Even inventive insults become boring after a full day of them. Let's take a deep breath, then apologize.

The only apology of WTF's I'll accept is the one he owes for NOT being inventive.

[ABX]

Mattis was a very wise pick by the President.

[skeeter]

What two parties?  There isn't anymore.  Where have you been.  Conservatives and Rhino's are no longer Republicans remember.  The right is more divided than ever. 

I agree, more or less, but you're changing the subject.

[txradioguy]

What two parties?  There isn't anymore.  Where have you been.  Conservatives and Rhino's are no longer Republicans remember.  The right is more divided than ever. 

Political affiliations


Trump's political party affiliation has changed numerous times over the years. Trump's political party affiliations prior to 1987 remain unclear, though Trump was an early supporter of Republican Ronald Reagan for United States President in the late 1970s.[286] By 1987, Trump had identified as a Republican.[287]

In 1999, Trump switched to the Reform Party for three years and ran a presidential exploratory campaign for its nomination. After his run, Trump left the party in 2001 due to the involvement of David Duke, Pat Buchanan, and Lenora Fulani.[288]

From 2001 to 2008, Trump identified as a Democrat, but in 2008, he endorsed Republican John McCain for President. In 2009, he officially changed his party registration to Republican.[289] In December 2011, Trump became an independent for five months before returning to the Republican Party, where he later pledged to stay.[290][291]

Trump has made contributions to campaigns of both Republican Party and Democratic Party candidates, with the top ten recipients of his political contributions being six Democrats and four Republicans.[292] After 2011, his campaign contributions were more favorable to Republicans than to Democrats.[293] In February 2012, Trump openly endorsed Republican Mitt Romney for President.[294] When asked in 2015 which recent president he prefers, Trump picked Democrat Bill Clinton over the Republican Bushes.[295][296]

According to a New York state report, Trump circumvented corporate and personal campaign donation limits in the 1980s—although no laws were broken—by donating money to candidates from 18 different business subsidiaries, rather than donating primarily in his own name.[297][298] Trump told investigators he did so on the advice of his lawyers. He also said the contributions were not to gain favor with business-friendly candidates, but simply to satisfy requests from friends.[297][299]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Trump is a new party.  He said it.  Workers Party. He isn't either left or right.  Which gives him the advantage to claim all bias except what comes from him.

Well said!

[alicewonders]

Skeeter is a complete idiot and utter fool. Nobody is arguing the media isn't biased.

Is this kind of personal attack allowed here???

[Victoria33]

But as a fellow ex-journo, I'm sure you know that the market for a fair or conservative publication is poor.  City after city, the conservative papers die out while lib ones continue on, as conservatives don't read like libs do.

@Suppressed
@CatherineofAragon 

Didn't know you are an ex-journalist.  It takes four years of college to get a degree in journalism. I don't know what you do now, but you had a good accomplishment at that time.  I hope you worked for a conservative newspaper.  Houston had two newspapers and we took the more conservative one and it finally went down, leaving the liberal one the only one there.

[truth_seeker]

I never thought I'd see disagreement on a conservative board on whether the mainstream media exerts an unfair and intolerable leftward influence on public opinion.

I can name two members that were so stridently anti-Trump, they stated they would vote for Hillary.

So I can only conclude some don't think before they write, and some just don't think period.

[txradioguy]

I can name two members that were so stridently anti-Trump, they stated they would vote for Hillary.

So I can only conclude some don't think before they write, and some just don't think period.

You can?  Links please.

[alicewonders]

Skeeter is a complete idiot and utter fool. Nobody is arguing the media isn't biased.

I'd still like to know why this kind of personal attack is being allowed here?

@WTF was asked by a Mod to apologize.......no apology, and the personal insult is still allowed to stand. 

Just wanting some clarification here.

[txradioguy]

I'd still like to know why this kind of personal attack is being allowed here?

@WTF was asked by a Mod to apologize.......no apology, and the personal insult is still allowed to stand. 

Just wanting some clarification here.

I'm still waiting for apologies for the times friends of yours called me a traitor.. A liberal...not patriotic and suggested there should be physical retribution for not voting for Trump.

So I guess we'll both be waiting.

[alicewonders]

I'm still waiting for apologies for the times friends of yours called me a traitor.. A liberal...not patriotic and suggested there should be physical retribution for not voting for Trump.

So I guess we'll both be waiting.

 

[txradioguy]

The irony of the emoji you posted is complete lost on you isn't it?

Yeah....it is.

[alicewonders]

The irony of the emoji you posted is complete lost on you isn't it?

Yeah....it is.

Actually, it seems I've got my answer.....personal attacks like that appear to be tolerated.  Good to know!

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm still waiting for apologies for the times friends of yours called me a traitor.. A liberal...not patriotic and suggested there should be physical retribution for not voting for Trump.

So I guess we'll both be waiting.

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[txradioguy]

Actually, it seems I've got my answer.....personal attacks like that appear to be tolerated.  Good to know!

You should have known that from the ones your buddies tossed out and continue to toss out.

[txradioguy]

I was called a snowflake yesterday so get skeeter needs to get in line.


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I guess only one side is allowed to be offended anymore. Since they "won" their insuts are justified and not counted as such in their eyes.

[alicewonders]

 

[txradioguy]

Do you have anything relevant or intelligent to say about the OP or are you just here to troll?

[Suppressed]

Didn't know you are an ex-journalist.  It takes four years of college to get a degree in journalism. I don't know what you do now, but you had a good accomplishment at that time.  I hope you worked for a conservative newspaper.  Houston had two newspapers and we took the more conservative one and it finally went down, leaving the liberal one the only one there.

@Suppressed
@CatherineofAragon 

I didn't get a journalism degree -- I studied geology.  ^-^  I was recruited and hired while I was in grad school by some folks trying to make a go at a more conservative local paper.  They hired lots of students and needed some leadership.  From there, I became the editor in chief, and then moved away and started another paper.  It was also conservative, yes, in the sense that it was fair...factual reporting For The Win!

Houston is a great example of what has happened with towns with both conservative and liberal papers.  Lots of conservatives bury their heads in the sand when complaining about media bias, without admitting that it's mere market forces.  Houston, Cincinnati, Denver, Philadelphia, etc... the liberal paper can maintain circulation, but conservatives just don't give the circulation numbers.

I had married one of my editors, and we couldn't afford both of us in journalism and I missed science, so I left the business. 

[Emjay]

I was the president of a merchant's association for six years, and was interviewed many times by our local news stations and newspaper.  The first time that they asked me questions about how the mayor (who was a conservative Republican woman) was handling things in our area - I was absolutely shocked at how they edited my words to take them out of context so that it appeared I was criticizing the mayor - who I actually had a good relationship with.  I was mortified!  The next time I met with the mayor, I explained to her what they had done.  She laughed and told me not to worry a bit, that was what they ALWAYS did to her!

I wised up on subsequent interviews, and had to carefully parse my words so they couldn't be misreported again - even then, they misinformed by omission and any other way they could. 

So now, I have trouble believing anything the press says - because I KNOW that they lie.  From the local level all the way up.  I have said for years that the media is our greatest enemy.  They were basically state-run during the Obama years, and their bias has been blatant as far back as I can remember.  I remember my father yelling at Walter Cronkite on the television when I was a kid - he taught me how biased they were back then! 

Trump is not wanting to censor the news - he wants to make us all aware of how so many of them LIE to us - to make us view them with a jaundiced eye, as we should.  He is trying to force them to clean up their act, and I like that he is giving some smaller news outlets a chance to ask questions. 

How any conservative couldn't like that is beyond me.   

Interesting, Alice.  Your father was way ahead of his time.  Back then most people would have believed the sky was pink if Walter Cronkite said so.

And I totally agree with the points you made.