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Obama wanted to be the high-speed rail president. It might be Trump instead.
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I just don't get the fascination with technology from the 19th century..  I'm sure Willie Green is doing the happy dance..
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I just don't get the fascination with technology from the 19th century..  I'm sure Willie Green is doing the happy dance..

I see arch conservative Piers Morgan is thrilled.

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I see arch conservative Piers Morgan is thrilled.


LOL.. I'm sure a lot of people want to ride a train from Bugtussel to Hooterville.
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I hope not. These projects have been taxpayer boondoggles in the US. Our infrastructure is built around driving and flying. New high-speed rail would seize massive amounts of private property and strip untold billions of taxpayer dollars.

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I hope not. These projects have been taxpayer boondoggles in the US. Our infrastructure is built around driving and flying. New high-speed rail would seize massive amounts of private property and strip untold billions of taxpayer dollars.


But we gotta be like Europe and Japan that has High Speed Choo Choo..
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But we gotta be like Europe and Japan that has High Speed Choo Choo..

They also have much shorter distances between major metropolitan hubs. It also isn't as cheap as people think.
For example, Tokyo to Kyoto, which is about the same as Dallas to Houston (one place that is looking at a bullet train project), is about $200 on the Shinkansen and takes a bit over 2 hours.  A flight on AA from Dallas to Houston costs about the same and is not much more but takes 1.5 hours.

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A flight on AA from Dallas to Houston costs about the same and is not much more but takes 1.5 hours.

Takes about an hour on Southwest Airlines.

https://flightsphere.com/flight-time/from/dallas/to/houston/

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They also have much shorter distances between major metropolitan hubs. It also isn't as cheap as people think.
For example, Tokyo to Kyoto, which is about the same as Dallas to Houston (one place that is looking at a bullet train project), is about $200 on the Shinkansen and takes a bit over 2 hours.  A flight on AA from Dallas to Houston costs about the same and is not much more but takes 1.5 hours.


Also, I think that more people here lives in the suburbs and people in Europe and Japan tends to live in the city.  Plus nations like France have banned short distance flights as well.. As for China, well they are just building crap for their house of cards economy.
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South Korea has trains too but it's pretty small. Yet the "high speed" KTX trains (300km per hour) still take 3 hours to get from Seoul to Busan.

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South Korea has trains too but it's pretty small.




High speed rail works in small countries..
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The 3 hour train ride costs more than a plane ticket from Dallas to Houston (1 hour), an adult ticket on the KTX can cost more than $160 for an adult ticket.

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The 3 hour train ride costs more than a plane ticket from Dallas to Houston (1 hour), an adult ticket on the KTX can cost more than $160 for an adult ticket.


That is not a bargin.. The high speed rail folks thinks it is cheap.. But it is not.. The airfare is cheaper here than the train rides and faster.
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Takes about an hour on Southwest Airlines.

https://flightsphere.com/flight-time/from/dallas/to/houston/

By the time you have driven to the Dallas airport (or been dropped off, if you're lucky), wait in line, board the plane...and then factor in the time spent driving from the airport in Houston to wherever you're going, you could have driven it in the same time for a helluva lot cheaper.  Been there, done that, no thanks.  Fix the damned existing highways for a refreshing "new" change.
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LOL.. I'm sure a lot of people want to ride a train from Bugtussel to Hooterville.

I understand that there are places where train ridership is a thing like the east coast but don't make the rest of us pay for it. Freight rail is one thing but passenger rail is pretty much a thing of the past in all but the most heavily populated areas.

All the little towns in America were once connected by rail and it wasn't uncommon for people to go 5 or 10 miles by rail for shopping but they don't do that anymore. Decent roads and reliable automobiles killed that flyover country town to town rail travel. Then the interstate system killed even the freight rail out of those those small towns. Even today on a regularly used rail line trains don't stop in most of the towns. The trains just blow through at 75 or 80 mph blowing the horn.  A train heading west out of Detroit is going to stop in Ann Arbor, Jackson, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo and then again at South Bend. You'll ever see more than 75 or 80 mph.

I looked into taking a trip from Jackson Mi to Toronto Canada by rail. YIKES! It required going to Detroit to Chicago and then back east to Buffalo and taking a shuttle across the border. I said screw it and drove to Toronto in under 6 hours.

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I understand that there are places where train ridership is a thing like the east coast but don't make the rest of us pay for it. Freight rail is one thing but passenger rail is pretty much a thing of the past in all but the most heavily populated areas.

All the little towns in America were once connected by rail and it wasn't uncommon for people to go 5 or 10 miles by rail for shopping but they don't do that anymore. Decent roads and reliable automobiles killed that flyover country town to town rail travel. Then the interstate system killed even the freight rail out of those those small towns. Even today on a regularly used rail line trains don't stop in most of the towns. The trains just blow through at 75 or 80 mph blowing the horn.  A train heading west out of Detroit is going to stop in Ann Arbor, Jackson, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo and then again at South Bend. You'll ever see more than 75 or 80 mph.

I looked into taking a trip from Jackson Mi to Toronto Canada by rail. YIKES! It required going to Detroit to Chicago and then back east to Buffalo and taking a shuttle across the border. I said screw it and drove to Toronto in under 6 hours.


Plus in 10 years there will driverless cars.
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Plus in 10 years there will driverless cars.
Some would say we have had driverless cars for decades. :whistle:
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The only "rail" Bam bam will associated with is the big fat ones he snorted.

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Some would say we have had driverless cars for decades. :whistle:


You mean like this:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKQ-6YnrKNc
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Trump can build the Super-Train!

The one that almost bankrupted NBC.

A TV series....

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I just don't get the fascination with technology from the 19th century..  I'm sure Willie Green is doing the happy dance..

You have to look at it from the big picture and most people don't. It isn't about getting people to ride trains at all.

Let me explain it like this. Today, lets say it's nice out and you want to get some yard work done. So you hop in the F350, head to home depot and pick up some supplies. Maybe a new lawn mower to replace the old Craftsman your grandfather used in the 60s. Still runs but it's a bit long in the tooth.  So you go load up the great beast, get home, mow your lawn and do all that fixer upper he man ARG AGR ARGHHHH!!!! Tim Allen stuff.

Because you can. Because your F350 allows you to whenever your ambition and cash/time allows.

Ever notice how small homes and yards are in most of Europe and Japan? Thats in part because it's hard to haul all that material goods stuff on a bicycle or take it on a train in one or 20 trips. So they restructure their lives and their entire society around it. America is seen as the land of the McMansion because we can actually get the goods from A-B without UNION delivery services every step of the way and paying them the added taxes and fees. Which then go in part to govt coffers.

Imagine as an American, being unable to get in your F350 and do whatever it is you need/want to because not only are the roads too narrow to fit te beast, but Gas is $6 a gallon or more. Odds are you would restructure a lot of your life to live with less simply as you could not move it or even get the new hotness home without added and major expense.

That leads to businesses like mining/forestry shrinking a lot and many companies closing, greatly reduced fuel sales,thus increasing the price and taxes even more. You will travel less and stay in the same areas simply to save money.

You might recognize Agenda 21 above. Starting to understand yet?