In a meeting with 10 senators, Trump claimed voter fraud in New Hampshire and referred to Warren as “Pocahontas”

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-voter-fraud-senators-meeting-234909


If this is true, a President should not be doing this.

[Hondo69]

If this is true, a President should not be doing this.

I agree, if true he really shouldn't. 

And I wonder if it actually matters one single bit whether it is true or not.  There's not a whole lot of truth going around these days.

I've offered my opinion on the matter and you've offered your opinion on the matter.  But they're only opinions.  With that and ten dollars you can buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks.  Yet is seems like opinions, rumors, and innuendo have become the new facts in today's world of social media and 10 second sound bites.

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Which brings me to videotape.  We have thousands and thousands of hours of videotape at our disposal to either back up an argument or settle a dispute.  But curiously it is almost never used to do so.  Have we deleted all the old files?

How often have you seen a talking head on TV state, "I never said that", during one of these mini-debates so popular today?  Well Hells bells, pull up the videotape.  Settle it right then and there one way or the other.  By failing to do so you allow a talking head to babble on carte blanche.  There are no checks and balances for the truth, which allows opinion to rule the day.

To be fair you will see a little videotape being used on occasion.  For example Fox News might play one clip of Sen. Warren making a statement from yesterday and then they'll pull up an older clip of her saying the opposite another day.  That is fairly common.

But it is rare when someone takes the time to piece together a set of videotape clips to make a point by point argument such as a lawyer would do when making a case.  Unless you are watching a documentary or full one hour edition of Frontline you'll almost never see videotape used to make a case.  Can't they squeeze in a 2 or 3 minute videotape presentation somewhere within a 3 hour show?  Seems like that would be very effective to me.

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Besides using videotape to back up an argument or settle a dispute du jour there are larger issues at stake in my opinion.  It is like we have no history.  What if someone pulled up a videotape of Chris Mathews in 1993 stating on CNN how HillaryCare was illegal, unconstitutional and a very dangerous precedent for our country?  That 3 minute video would serve several purposes:

[1] At one point in time Chris Mathews was actually a journalist

[2] At one point in time CNN was not fully in the tank as a paid propaganda machine

[3] HillaryCare was not "ahead of it's time" as they argue today, but illegal as hell

But we don't do that - it is simply not done.  It is like we have no history in this country to refer back to at all.  So I ask again, have we deleted all the old videotapes?

A country with no history has no future.

[EC]

@Hondo69

I can answer at least part of your question.

It's the lack of libraries.

Not the physical buildings so much, but trained librarians - people expert in the arcane art of sorting, cataloguing, and then finding information.

There's a statistic going around (possibly BS, who can tell) that says the amount of searchable and sharable information generated in the next month will be greater than all that in recorded history. With no one to catalogue it all (and computers do surprisingly poorly at that task - @jpsb might have some input on that) you are relying on mostly luck to find the clip or quote, or opinion you want. It's only going to get worse.

[Cripplecreek]

The “Pocahontas” thing is just immature and unseemly coming from a 'man' in his position.

The vote fraud thing is going to bite him in the ass if he keeps repeating it without citing reliable evidence.

[mystery-ak]

Chris Sommerfeldt
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, February 11, 2017, 2:56 AM

President Trump repeatedly referred to Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren as "Pocahontas" during a bipartisan lunch meeting with senators earlier this week, according to sources.

Journalists were initially present for the Thursday meeting at the White House, but escorted out after a photo-op and a couple of questions.

more
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-insults-elizabeth-warren-awkward-white-house-meeting-article-1.2969770

[Silver Pines]

It wasn't an insult.  Warren is a lying bigoted fake Indian and white privileged appropriator of a minority culture.  She deserves to be verbally flayed.

[Mesaclone]

The “Pocahontas” thing is just immature and unseemly coming from a 'man' in his position.

The vote fraud thing is going to bite him in the ass if he keeps repeating it without citing reliable evidence.

-There IS vote fraud. Nobody really knows the full extent of it...its not a reach to suggest it may be in the millions.
-Warren did falsely claim status as an American Indian to gain an employment advantage. Of course, he should have used the term "Faux-cohantas" to be more precise.

So in both cases, he is making reasonable assertions...perhaps in a blunt and even rude manner. But sometimes the truth doesn't need to be wearing an Armani suit...the plain ugly truth can make the stronger point. Simply speaking, regularly uttering the truth is the kind of "presidential" behavior I seek...far more important to myself and many Americans than mere elegance and sophisticated manners. Sure, I'd love to have both those qualities in my President, but if I have to choose I'd say we had a ton of the latter and virtually none of the former for far too long. That being the case, I find the current tendency towards honestly speaking his mind to be very refreshing.

[txradioguy]

It wasn't an insult.  Warren is a lying bigoted fake Indian and white privileged appropriator of a minority culture.  She deserves to be verbally flayed.

Agree to a point. If there is verbal flaying to do...it should come from someone like the Chief of Staff or someone like Ms Conway or even Steve Bannon.

He's the President now...gotta act like it and quit the schoolyard BS.

[bigheadfred]

Now, I think there really would be an uproar if he had said, "Poke her in the Hontas". And the reason he didn't is probably only because he hasn't thought of it.

As an aside, my neighbors, who are NOT citizens, had a hillary supporter beating down their door trying to get them to vote "for the woman". The girl next door asked my wife about it. "Why does he keep bothering us? We don't understand all this."

My point being, why are they being canvassed so hard if they aren't supposed to vote?

[DCPatriot]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-voter-fraud-senators-meeting-234909


If this is true, a President should not be doing this.

You can be sure that Pres. Trump isn't making this up out of whole cloth....regarding NH voter fraud.

And calling Elizabeth Warren, "Pocahontas" is political genius, as she's in the fight of her political life in her own State come 2018.

If the Democrat Party and the MSM...but I repeat myself...want Senator Warren front and center as the face of the Opposition???

...please God, get out of their way.

[txradioguy]

You can be sure that Pres. Trump isn't making this up out of whole cloth....regarding NH voter fraud.

And calling Elizabeth Warren, "Pocahontas" is political genius, as she's in the fight of her political life in her own State come 2018.

If the Democrat Party and the MSM...but I repeat myself...want Senator Warren front and center as the face of the Opposition???

...please God, get out of their way.

All his other rants about voter fraud have gone nowhere...you think he'd learn to have something solid and verifiable before he starts talking about this again.

Everytime he starts shouting voter fraud with nothing to back it up...it delegitimizes the claim just a little more.

Cry wolf often enough....

[Sanguine]

@Hondo69

I can answer at least part of your question.

It's the lack of libraries.

Not the physical buildings so much, but trained librarians - people expert in the arcane art of sorting, cataloguing, and then finding information.

There's a statistic going around (possibly BS, who can tell) that says the amount of searchable and sharable information generated in the next month will be greater than all that in recorded history. With no one to catalogue it all (and computers do surprisingly poorly at that task - @jpsb might have some input on that) you are relying on mostly luck to find the clip or quote, or opinion you want. It's only going to get worse.

That's a very interesting point, @EC.  It had not occurred to me that that was a problem.

[Bigun]

Mexican Citizen Sentenced To 8 Years In Prison For Voter Fraud


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/02/09/grand-prairie-woman-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud/

How many more are there who have done the same thing and gotten away with it?

[DCPatriot]

All his other rants about voter fraud have gone nowhere...you think he'd learn to have something solid and verifiable before he starts talking about this again.

Everytime he starts shouting voter fraud with nothing to back it up...it delegitimizes the claim just a little more.

Cry wolf often enough....

You know...his speaking about the voter fraud in NH could have been in passing...just like you and I would give an opinion on whether Tom Brady is the best QB the NFL has ever seen.

This is just you once again, trying to make something from nothin..............honey.   

[beandog]

I admire his restraint.  I would have called her a lot worse.

[mountaineer]

He's all wrong. It's either Fauxcahontas or Pocahonky. Not Pocahontas.

[kevindavis007]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-voter-fraud-senators-meeting-234909


If this is true, a President should not be doing this.

I agree..

[bigheadfred]

One thing about this. If people aren't going to take the POTUS seriously on the issue, they sure as hell won't take anyone else seriously.

[Silver Pines]

Agree to a point. If there is verbal flaying to do...it should come from someone like the Chief of Staff or someone like Ms Conway or even Steve Bannon.

He's the President now...gotta act like it and quit the schoolyard BS.

@txradioguy

Agreed.

[Applewood]

The “Pocahontas” thing is just immature and unseemly coming from a 'man' in his position.

The vote fraud thing is going to bite him in the ass if he keeps repeating it without citing reliable evidence.

Agreed on both counts.  As to voter fraud, I have no doubt it exists, and has existed for a lot longer than we think.  But as far as I know, there has been little, if any, evidence to back up the claims.  And what has been offered as evidence more often than not is fake. 

One guy I know sent me his "evidence" of voter fraud in his state.  The "evidence" consisted of a photo of a group of senior citizens who appeared to be waiting for a bus.  This guy claimed these people were being bused around to several polling places to vote more than once for Hillary.  Well, these people could have been waiting for a bus -- I don't know -- but if they were, there was no evidence of where they might be going.  They could have been going on a day trip or maybe to the local casino, for all I knew. 

If Trump wants to make this claim, he had better have valid evidence to back it up.  Otherwise, he should keep his mouth shut. 

[Sanguine]

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If Trump wants to make this claim, he had better have valid evidence to back it up.  Otherwise, he should keep his mouth shut.

There's hard evidence cited by Bigun on this very thread!  What kind of evidence are y'all looking for?

[Bigun]

There's hard evidence cited by Bigun on this very thread!  What kind of evidence are y'all looking for?

Apparently they want more!

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2017-02-10/urbana-man-charged-living-voting-us-illegally.html

[anubias]

This doesn't bother me a bit.  Trump calling Warren "Pocahontas" will hit the news cycles with more punch than one of his minions carrying the dirty water for him.  Those that do not know the reason for him calling her "Pocahontas", will hopefully find out that she is a fraud.  He's playing the Democratic, Alinskyite game of labeling everyone and everything.  It has worked well for them for ages.  Too well.

He won the nomination and possibly the presidency with his labels whether the labels were justified or not.  While I normally disdain such tactics, I do enjoy seeing the tables turned on the Communists.  In this case, the label fits.  She can wear it.

[Cripplecreek]

There's hard evidence cited by Bigun on this very thread!  What kind of evidence are y'all looking for?

 Trump has multiple agencies at his fingertips that can conduct investigations and produce actual numbers. I don't hear him reaching out to secretaries of state for help with the numbers.

All I hear is lots of flapping gums and see no action.

[skeeter]

This doesn't bother me a bit.  Trump calling Warren "Pocahontas" will hit the news cycles with more punch than one of his minions carrying the dirty water for him.  Those that do not know the reason for him calling her "Pocahontas", will hopefully find out that she is a fraud.  He's playing the Democratic, Alinskyite game of labeling everyone and everything.  It has worked well for them for ages.  Too well.

He won the nomination and possibly the presidency with his labels whether the labels were justified or not.  While I normally disdain such tactics, I do enjoy seeing the tables turned on the Communists.  In this case, the label fits.  She can wear it.

My impulse is to cringe when I hear him say this kind of stuff but I'm beginning to think your right.

Besides, what did being gentlemanly get the GOP over the past 40 years but alot of lost ground?