Ninth Circuit Court to announce their decision Today

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Let them draw up articles of impeachment until their fingers are bloody stumps!  They will go exactly nowhere!

 


Says who?

[JustPassinThru]

I find it fascinating that during the Reign of His Heinous, King Obama, neither Congress or the courts stopped or put up any kind of restraints to all of his E.O.s and unconstitutional decrees.

I find it nothing of the sort.

I find it DEPRESSING, that the Left controls the bureaucracy, the courts, and the media; and holds an arm bent behind about half the members of CONgress.  They run the show.  Left-> Good.  Right/Conservative/Traditional/American -> BAD.

This throws the door open for the Left's wet-dream:  Change of citizenry; replace those Bitter Clingers with pliant serfs who want unlimited power in government.

Of course they're not productive in any way shape manner or form...but since these moron lifers in CONgress don't have any perspective, they don't know what it IS to rule a banana republic or a theocracy.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Your argument for that is, what?

Do Presidents order judges to do things?

Or do JUDGES order PRESIDENTS to do, not do, not implement things?

Trump can ignore this ruling, a la Jackson.  He can also be Impeached for it, a la Johnson.  Or Bubba, if you like.

The Dems would LOVE to have a narrative that would justify Articles of Impeachment.  This is the bait to give them the shot.

Really having a tough time following your logic.

Are you suggesting that a judge orders a President in cases of national security to or not to implement that security?

If that is what you are arguing, then you are incorrect.

A President has ABSOLUTE authority as per the Constitution to implement national security measures, regardless of what any court, including the Supreme Court might think.

[Bigun]

 


Says who?

Says me! Who else do you think is typing on my keyboard?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I find it fascinating that during the Reign of His Heinous, King Obama, neither Congress or the courts stopped or put up any kind of restraints to all of his E.O.s and unconstitutional decrees.

This is just plainly false:


http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/obama-has-lost-in-the-supreme-court-more-than-any-modern-president/

[JustPassinThru]

The wild card in an impeachment scenario would be public opinion.

And I believe Trump, in this case, would have that in his corner.

Of course it would be a disaster if it got that far. The left has created quite a hash here as it is.

How did that Public-Opinion thingy work, with BarryKair?

The Left doesn't give a flying frig about public opinion.  They care about their TRANSFORMATION - from a repugnant White Man's World, to a New De-Growth society, where everyone can have only what government allows them, no more.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The wild card in an impeachment scenario would be public opinion.

And I believe Trump, in this case, would have that in his corner.

Of course it would be a disaster if it got that far. The left has created quite a hash here as it is.

It sure would be.

Imagine the argument the libs would have favoring the rights of foreigners over that of the protection of American citizens.

[JustPassinThru]

Really having a tough time following your logic.

Are you suggesting that a judge orders a President in cases of national security to or not to implement that security?

If that is what you are arguing, then you are incorrect.

A President has ABSOLUTE authority as per the Constitution to implement national security measures, regardless of what any court, including the Supreme Court might think.

You're having a hard time with it?

It's simple.  Who has the power to order who?  How does a President fire a judge?  What happens when a President ignores a judge? 

What happens to a judge who ignores a President?  This isn't hard.  Judicial Review is an appropriated power but it has over 200 years of precedent.

[JustPassinThru]

This is a bit of hyperbole isn't it?  How many people have been killed by people in this country from these countries?


I don't have a problem with the ban per se, but I don't think it's a deadly necessary as others see it.


Are you really this fearful about things? Yikes.

Why don't we go someplace and have a beer together and talk about it.

On the Observation Deck of the World Trade Center.

Hyperbole?  DO YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GERMANY AND SWEDEN?  THAT is what is on its way here.

[skeeter]

How did that Public-Opinion thingy work, with BarryKair?

The Left doesn't give a flying frig about public opinion.  They care about their TRANSFORMATION - from a repugnant White Man's World, to a New De-Growth society, where everyone can have only what government allows them, no more.

The public was buffaloed with BarryKair. They hadn't a clue what was in it, to paraphrase SanFranNan. All they had was Obama's lies.

People have no problem understanding terrorists masquerading as refugees. 24 was a pretty popular series.

[Fantom]

Says me! Who else do you think is typing on my keyboard?

  Now That was funny! 

[Suppressed]

A President has ABSOLUTE authority as per the Constitution to implement national security measures, regardless of what any court, including the Supreme Court might think.

Who defines what is a national-security measure?  Oh, yeah...the courts.  Or are you saying the POTUS can unilaterally define anything as a national-security issue?

So what you're saying is that Obama could have just declared firearms a national-security issue, and perfectly legally confiscated all firearms?

Great.

[Wingnut]

Says me! Who else do you think is typing on my keyboard?

Forgive him.  The boy ain't to bright. 

[Bigun]

Who defines what is a national-security measure?  Oh, yeah...the courts.  Or are you saying the POTUS can unilaterally define anything as a national-security issue?

So what you're saying is that Obama could have just declared firearms a national-security issue, and perfectly legally confiscated all firearms?

Great.

Sigh!  So much ignorance! So little time! 

[Fantom]

This is just plainly false:


http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/obama-has-lost-in-the-supreme-court-more-than-any-modern-president/

Notice..SCOTUS.... not some parking meter judge.

 Particularly on issues of National Security. That is the sole Domain of the President. Only SCOTUS has much say. Even Congress is limited here.

[skeeter]

Who defines what is a national-security measure?  Oh, yeah...the courts.  Or are you saying the POTUS can unilaterally define anything as a national-security issue?

So what you're saying is that Obama could have just declared firearms a national-security issue, and perfectly legally confiscated all firearms?

Great.

Confiscating firearms effects US citizens - courts/yes. Trump's EO effects/effected foreign nationals beyond our borders - courts/no.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

You're having a hard time with it?

It's simple. 

Who has the power to order who?

It depends upon who is ordering who doesn't it?

  How does a President fire a judge?

He can't.  Where did you get that idea from?

  What happens when a President ignores a judge? 

Happens all the time, doesn't it?
Any bureaucrat in the Executive represents that department, hence the President.
How about old Andrew Jackson
https://sustainableatlantaga.com/2015/04/02/remembering-the-time-andrew-jackson-decided-to-ignore-the-supreme-court-in-the-name-of-georgias-right-to-cherokee-land/

Hey, how about one that involves immigration and is recent?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/420977/will-obamas-top-dhs-honchos-be-made-answer-court-defying-immigration-order-hans-von

What happens to a judge who ignores a President?

Congress is the only entity that can make decisions on this.

 

This isn't hard. 

wow, I just had to go through remedial civics class with you, didn't I?

[Fantom]

Who defines what is a national-security measure?  Oh, yeah...the courts.  Or are you saying the POTUS can unilaterally define anything as a national-security issue?

So what you're saying is that Obama could have just declared firearms a national-security issue, and perfectly legally confiscated all firearms?

Great.

LOL, Reductio ad Absurdum much? Lets use such device the other way.

You are saying that if Russia moves it's army thru Mexico and attacks the USA... that a minor Trial judge can issue a TRO stopping the President from ordering our ARmy to stop them.

Nice.

[Bigun]

Now That was funny! 

I LOVE your tag line!  SO true!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Sigh!  So much ignorance! So little time! 

They are not teaching the same classes to some are they?

Nuns at my school did their job quite well.

[Bigun]

LOL, Reductio ad Absurdum much? Lets use such device the other way.

You are saying that if Russia moves it's army thru Mexico and attacks the USA... that a minor Trial judge can issue a TRO stopping the President from ordering our ARmy to stop them.

Nice.

 

[Bigun]

They are not teaching the same classes to some are they?

Nuns at my school did their job quite well.

Thank GOD for that!!!

[JustPassinThru]

  wow, I just had to go through remedial civics class with you, didn't I?

You showed me nothing.

I couldn't even read through that garbled post.

You have a FANTASY about who holds the upper hand here.  I don't know where you're getting it from but right now, the Appeals Court ruling is final.

And the Supreme Court may or may NOT choose to hear the case.  If they vote four-four, the nays hold.  They do not hear it.  The Appeals Court ruling holds.

And all your fantasy and bluster and tub-thumping changes none of that.

[Wingnut]

Nuns at my school did their job quite well.

And I bet your knuckles have the ruler marks to prove it!

[Bigun]

You showed me nothing.

I couldn't even read through that garbled post.

You have a FANTASY about who holds the upper hand here.  I don't know where you're getting it from but right now, the Appeals Court ruling is final.

And the Supreme Court may or may NOT choose to hear the case.  If they vote four-four, the nays hold.  They do not hear it.  The Appeals Court ruling holds.

And all your fantasy and bluster and tub-thumping changes none of that.