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San Fran Police Dept Cuts Ties with FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force
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Source: Rebel San Francisco P.D. Cuts Ties with FBI on Counterterrorism

The San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) is ending its coorperation with FBI counterterrorism efforts as part of the city’s larger rejection of President Donald Trump’s executive order on immigration.

On January 31, Breitbart News reported that San Francisco Police Chief William Scott, Sheriff Vicki Hennessy, and Mayor Ed Lee sent a letter to the Department of Homeland Security informing them that city would not comply with the order.

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/san-fran-cuts-ties-with-fbi-jttf/
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2017, 06:12:19 pm »
They argue that it's not their job to enforce immigration, yet they want to sue to tell the FedGov how they can conduct their immigration policy.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2017, 09:18:31 pm »
San Fran Police Dept Cuts Ties with FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force
February 6, 2017 / creeping   
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Source: Rebel San Francisco P.D. Cuts Ties with FBI on Counterterrorism

The San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) is ending its coorperation with FBI counterterrorism efforts as part of the city’s larger rejection of President Donald Trump’s executive order on immigration.

On January 31, Breitbart News reported that San Francisco Police Chief William Scott, Sheriff Vicki Hennessy, and Mayor Ed Lee sent a letter to the Department of Homeland Security informing them that city would not comply with the order.

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/san-fran-cuts-ties-with-fbi-jttf/

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2017, 09:32:59 pm »
Now can we expel them?  Why wait for them to vote to secede?

Nope just cut them off from access to FBI data bases and any money provided by the Feds.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2017, 09:51:33 pm »
They argue that it's not their job to enforce immigration, yet they want to sue to tell the FedGov how they can conduct their immigration policy.

Progressives' principles are situational.

It is time to call SF/CA's bluff, though. As soon as the White House lawyers have done their bit to make certain a judge doesn't order the fedgov to pay up.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2017, 10:33:11 pm »
Nope just cut them off from access to FBI data bases and any money provided by the Feds.

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2017, 10:36:44 pm »
They'll come back crying like stick pigs after the next terror attack hits SF. 

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2017, 10:40:17 pm »
They argue that it's not their job to enforce immigration, yet they want to sue to tell the FedGov how they can conduct their immigration policy.

The Left is full of contradictions.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2017, 11:26:27 pm »
They'll come back crying like stick pigs after the next terror attack hits SF.

Before or after they finish blaming Trump?
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2017, 11:41:40 pm »
They'll come back crying like stick pigs after the next terror attack hits SF.

The important part is not letting them come back.

It's called accountability.

I fully understand many will disagree with my position on dealing with Liberals in general.  They say we should try to work together and be buddy buddy after they've poisoned the well with their many scorched earth policies.  History shows that letting them off the hook without paying a price accomplishes nothing but setting up the next bowling pin to be knocked down.  In other words we already know what doesn't work.

I say make them pay a price they cannot afford to pay.

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2017, 08:22:31 am »
The important part is not letting them come back.

It's called accountability.

I fully understand many will disagree with my position on dealing with Liberals in general.  They say we should try to work together and be buddy buddy after they've poisoned the well with their many scorched earth policies.  History shows that letting them off the hook without paying a price accomplishes nothing but setting up the next bowling pin to be knocked down.  In other words we already know what doesn't work.

I say make them pay a price they cannot afford to pay.
Well, they always want to declare a truce and buddy up, as soon as they get what they want. That never lasts, because they're never satisfied.
Without taking that ground back, figuratively and literally, the process will continue.
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2017, 09:36:54 am »
Well, they always want to declare a truce and buddy up, as soon as they get what they want. That never lasts, because they're never satisfied.
Without taking that ground back, figuratively and literally, the process will continue.

 :beer:

It always strikes me as odd that we normally learn quickly to not repeat the same mistakes.  A child only has to get their hand near a hot stove once.  But when it comes to politics our brains seem to take a vacation and blots out the most common sensical things.

It puzzles me to no end.  Maybe we should create a national poll to see if that might shed some light on the situation.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2017, 12:35:11 pm »
:beer:

It always strikes me as odd that we normally learn quickly to not repeat the same mistakes.  A child only has to get their hand near a hot stove once.  But when it comes to politics our brains seem to take a vacation and blots out the most common sensical things.

It puzzles me to no end.  Maybe we should create a national poll to see if that might shed some light on the situation.

How many times do you have to be screwed to the wall before you learn your lesson?

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I'm all for winning as long as we don't become them. None of that Valerie Jarrett "payback" crap, just set things right. (They'll see that as apocalyptic anyway).

The only lesson History teaches us is that people just don't learn from history.

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2017, 02:48:21 pm »
The only lesson History teaches us is that people just don't learn from history.

So true.

The big question is why?

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2017, 04:10:20 pm »
So true.

The big question is why?
They are too busy saying crap like "They just didn't try hard enough." or "The wrong people were doing it." or "That will never happen here." and living in denial of the disasters which preceded their misguided efforts. They even refuse to look at the cold, hard, facts and see that some things do not nor ever have worked, except as models of total repression and butchery, but perhaps they only envision themselves as leading that and not being subject to the same rules as everyone else.
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2017, 05:05:49 pm »
They are too busy saying crap like "They just didn't try hard enough." or "The wrong people were doing it." or "That will never happen here." and living in denial of the disasters which preceded their misguided efforts. They even refuse to look at the cold, hard, facts and see that some things do not nor ever have worked, except as models of total repression and butchery, but perhaps they only envision themselves as leading that and not being subject to the same rules as everyone else.

Hence the reason Liberals keep trying to push Socialism/Communism on us.
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2017, 09:11:34 pm »
Hence the reason Liberals keep trying to push Socialism/Communism on us.

Good points.

They claimed for the first time in human history they would make big government healthcare a real winner.

They also claimed for the first time in human history their hug a terrorist policies would make the bad guys love us.

They also claimed for the first time in human history . . . well, you get the idea.  I could go on for a long time.

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 09:20:44 pm »
They'll come back crying like stick pigs after the next terror attack hits SF.
Exactly. It's not "will they?", it's when:pop41:
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2017, 12:00:19 am »
Exactly. It's not "will they?", it's when:pop41:
The only problem is what they'll be crying. "Make guns illegal*" (even if the incident involves a bomb vest and no guns). *{TRANSLATION: "Make us feel safe!"

(which is another thing that just doesn't work, but that won't stop them from trying it...again)
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2017, 01:10:27 am »
The important part is not letting them come back.

It's called accountability.

I fully understand many will disagree with my position on dealing with Liberals in general.  They say we should try to work together and be buddy buddy after they've poisoned the well with their many scorched earth policies.  History shows that letting them off the hook without paying a price accomplishes nothing but setting up the next bowling pin to be knocked down.  In other words we already know what doesn't work.

I say make them pay a price they cannot afford to pay.
Pretty stark statement.  Yeah, there are lots of libs in SF, but remember all the citizens are not that way.

Perhaps we need to allow refugees from SF into other states? Maybe even pay their way to leave.  They can be classified under refugee status.

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2017, 03:39:09 am »
Pretty stark statement.  Yeah, there are lots of libs in SF, but remember all the citizens are not that way.

Perhaps we need to allow refugees from SF into other states? Maybe even pay their way to leave.  They can be classified under refugee status.

The good libs will not take up the offer as they think they are in heaven already.

It is indeed stark but the rest of the country should not be hostages to people that refuse to leave their communist areas. It's not like this is a sudden thing that no one, including them, saw coming.

If we have to relocate people from Cali, fine. Vet them like any other refugee. But they should care enough about the safety of their families to leave on their own. And if that means losing their toys and jobs, so be it. Nothing in Cali is worth the lives of ones wife and kids.

Pack up granny and go. If she won't, thats her call. If people want to stay, that's theirs as well. But screw California.

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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2017, 04:25:03 am »

Pack up granny and go. If she won't, thats her call. If people want to stay, that's theirs as well. But screw California.
Well, that's a new spin on the Beverly Hillbillies.

What to call them? The Palm Deserters?
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2017, 05:24:49 am »
Well, that's a new spin on the Beverly Hillbillies.

What to call them? The Palm Deserters?

They said Arizona (or most other of the 56 states) is the place you oughta' beeeee
Then they loaded up the truck, and they ran from Burka-leeeee
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2017, 05:46:31 am »
They said Arizona (or most other of the 56 states) is the place you oughta' beeeee
Then they loaded up the truck, and they ran from Burka-leeeee
Libs up there
Black hoods
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(sticky stuff)....

Tar pits, that is, oh wait, that's La Brea....
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2017, 08:36:22 am »
Pretty stark statement.  Yeah, there are lots of libs in SF, but remember all the citizens are not that way.

Good point.  One that brings up problems that goes several layers deep.

Let's say a group of taxpaying citizens in SF decide to sue the city.  Maybe the cause is because they are breaking the law, or maybe because the city puts their safety at risk, the reason isn't all that important.  What is important is that cities are very hard to sue.  Most cities make it part of their charter, have state legal protection as well, and also have legal precedent on their side.  You better have a slam dunk case if you decide to sue a city, and even then the odds are stacked against you.

As an example, a federal judge says SF cannot be held liable for the death of Kate Steinle who was killed by a man in the country illegally.  Had SF been an individual and not a city they would be guilty of aiding and abetting.  They could have been sued six ways to Sunday.  But as it is the city has more or less a blank check or get out of jail free card depending on how you want to look at it.  So back to those taxpaying citizens in SF that want to sue they city.  They are more or less powerless to do anything at all - except move.

And that's the key.  If you don't like what elected leaders in SF decide to do you are free to choose to move somewhere else.  And if you don't like what elected leaders in CA decide to do you can get the hell out of there too.  Citizens are free to choose.

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Things change when you switch views from the city level (or state level) to the federal government level.  A federal law covers the entire nation.  Moving from SF to Dime Box, TX doesn't allow you to escape the law of the land.  In that regard citizens are not free to choose.

But . . . there's always a but.  What about marijuana laws?  What about federal mandates covering the electrical grid?  Things get a bit dicey in a hurry.

Suppose president Trump decides to suddenly enforce federal marijuana laws on California, but not on Colorado.  He has the power to punish California in a hundred different ways (see Obama's war against Texas).  A case could easily be made that Trump is picking winners and losers and as such is unfair.  The law is not supposed to work that way, some gibberish about justice being blind.

This brings up the age old argument about the federal government using the carrot and stick approach.

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Now we're back to my original statement that these problems go several layers deep.  In football terms, you have multiple battles being waged.  Team Residents of SF vs Team City of SF.  And then you could have City of SF vs State of CA.  And toss in the battle of Team Fed vs State of CA which is just a prelude to Team Fed vs City of SF.

Yikes.  What do you do if you're just Average Joe citizen and want to be left alone to raise your family, cook a little BBQ on the weekend and go to the occasional baseball game?