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THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« on: February 05, 2017, 05:17:04 pm »
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The following is just someone's blog posting, but it's a good one:
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https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/this-hitler-nonsense/

THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
February 1, 2017
Regie Hamm



I am not an expert on Hitler. But my father is.

He toured post-war Germany extensively in 1957 and ’58 as a child performer. And he often recounts the stories. He befriended  teenage Lebensborn children (if you don’t know what Lebensborn children are …well …before you post anymore about Hitler you should read about them). He visited an SS widow and got a peek at her husband’s uniform and Luger (that he’d committed suicide with), she had stored in an old trunk, in the attic.

These and other intense experiences in Germany sent my father on a life-long quest to understand this sociopath (Hitler) and the country that allowed itself to be dragged into one of the darkest chapters in world history. My dad is a Hitler/Nazi buff the way Indiana Jones’ dad was a Holy Grail buff.

As the son of a man with this hobby (one might call obsession) I learned a lot about Hitler and the Third Reich just by osmosis, growing up. My father would weave WWII stories into his sermons. He would talk about new books he was reading on the subject. When I was nine-years-old I bought him a book on the battle of Stalingrad for Christmas. Not a tie or a pair of socks. A book …on the battle …of Stalingrad. Yeah …it was kinda like that.

The thing my father and I have often discussed, through the years, is the eye-rolling art of comparing American presidents to Hitler. It is such an absurdity we find it amusing …and frustrating. It’s often just a punch line. Like the Soup Nazi wasn’t really a Nazi. He was just mean. The Nazi part made it funny. You know …over-the-top. Like “grammar Nazi” or “spelling Nazi.” Nobody is really a “Nazi.” It’s our representation of something we consider jarring, strident, intractable and inhumane.

But the truth about Nazis isn’t funny at all. It’s bloody and horrible and gut churning. And it involves machine guns and butchery and inhumanity on a scale that takes your breath away. Nobody is really a “soup Nazi” …unless they served it in a concentration camp.

The idea of comparing an American president to Hitler is just as absurd …from any angle, in any context. The American system ITSELF pretty much prevents “Hitlers” from showing up. And America ITSELF is anathema to what Hitler was trying to create. An American ANYTHING or ANYONE is hard to fit into the Hitler model. It’s just not apples to apples.

There are some fundamental things to understand about Hitler:

1. He took over a small, failing state that didn’t have separated government, enumerated powers or checks and balances. It’s difficult for a guy like that to show up here, in this system.

2. His entire political career was violent from the beginning. There was always death in his wake. He didn’t just suddenly “turn” violent. It was a pattern …as it always is with sociopaths. This is THE most important thing to watch; the violence. I always keep an eye on who is rioting …breaking things …throwing rocks and bombs. It doesn’t make them Nazis. But it signals how far they’re willing to go.

3. He entered office with his own personal military construct (the SS) with allegiance to him ONLY. They would carry out things the regular military would never carry out: i.e. the murder of private citizens and political opponents. Nothing like that exists or COULD exist in America. We simply wouldn’t allow it.

4. He didn’t start out just killing Jews. He started out euthanizing people with special needs …for the betterment of the care-givers’ lives. (You can decide which side of the aisle favors the extermination of “inconvenient” people).

5. He disarmed the population, then nationalized healthcare and education. (Two-out-of-three of those are Bernie Sanders moves …But, guess what? Bernie isn’t Hitler either …not by a long shot)

The list goes on and on. But the deal is this:

Hitler was a real life murdering sociopath. He wasn’t just a charismatic speaker who incrementally fell into bad behavior. He wasn’t just a racist corrupted by unfettered power. In other words, you or I probably couldn’t end up being Hitler. A garden variety KKK leader probably couldn’t end up being Hitler either …or a community organizer …or a New York real-estate tycoon. It’s not that easy or simple.

NONE of our American presidents have ever been Hitler. But the people of Germany certainly thought FDR was a murdering dictator when B-17s started dropping bombs on them. This is why you have to KNOW what you believe and why you believe it. Good guys and bad guys are often in the eyes of the beholder. And they often look similar in the fog of conflict. I would imagine Japanese Americans in internment camps wondered if their president was Hitler-like. Nope. Horrible act …but not close to Hitler.

To that point, ironically, the American president who could’ve actually been likened to Hitler (before Hitler) in some of his methods was …wait for it …Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln broke more constitutional law than any other president in U.S history. He imprisoned political opponents without due process. He suspended habeas corpus. He was personally responsible for the deaths of six hundred thousand people.

He invaded countries that had declared their own sovereignty and forced them back into a union they didn’t want to be a part of. He unilaterally annexed Nevada, without 60 thousand residents, (a pre-requisite for becoming a state) in order to carry it and win the 1864 election. In other words, he pretty much rigged it.

And when he was killed by the highest paid and most famous actor of his day (ironic …don’t you think?), the actor screamed “death to tyrants!” (in latin) because the man thought he was being a patriot for ridding the world of a dictator. But he wasn’t …and he didn’t.

Lincoln did all of those things to end and win the Civil War. And today we love him for it …as we should. Because in the end, his vision was right …even though his methods were suspect in the heat of the moment.

When people think they’re seeing a Hitler, they might actually – sometimes – be seeing something closer to a Churchill. Before WWII everyone thought Churchill was the big bad wolf. His own people hated him and thought he was a Hitler type character (again …pre-Hilter). But he just kept saying, “guys …I’m telling you. This Hitler guy is the real problem. Not me.” And he turned out to be right. There’s a difference between an abrasive leader who makes you uncomfortable …and a despot.

Now, people are comparing Donald Trump to Hitler. And the countdown has officially begun, to …well …I don’t know …but something really bad. I get that someone who is combative with the press and who wants to vet refugees and shut down open immigration fits the bill some are always looking for when it comes to finally getting their “Hitler” villain.

But if you study enough about it, you realize the guy vetting and banning refugees is probably not Hitler …the guy CREATING refugees probably is.

If we keep looking for Hitler in every United States president we disagree with, we’re not going to recognize the real one when he actually shows up …in a different country.

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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2017, 05:34:48 pm »
He's right. It's not just that someone is slurred with the Hitler tag but that the horrors of the real Hitler become minimized.

Bernie Sanders blows but he's not Lenin or Trotsky or Stalin.

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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 06:29:15 pm »
Some rebuttal:

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The idea of comparing an American president to Hitler is just as absurd …from any angle, in any context. The American system ITSELF pretty much prevents “Hitlers” from showing up. And America ITSELF is anathema to what Hitler was trying to create. An American ANYTHING or ANYONE is hard to fit into the Hitler model. It’s just not apples to apples.

Human history teaches us that power, ego and narcissism combined with a collectivist expansion agenda, creates caesars, emperors, dictators and fuhrers.  It is NOT ABSURD to understand that just because this is America, that a Hitler is not possible.

It most certainly is possible.

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There are some fundamental things to understand about Hitler:

1. He took over a small, failing state that didn’t have separated government, enumerated powers or checks and balances. It’s difficult for a guy like that to show up here, in this system.

We have not used the term 'uniparty' without reason.  The separated checks and balances, over the last 12 years have each surrendered authority and power to vest power into the hands of the Executive branch - effectively creating an institutionalized Imperial Presidency.

Hitler had to coerce and intimidate himself into power.

Congress and the Courts have greased the skids to enable that to happen here under the color of law and precedent.  Obama showed us how ruling instead of governing was done and more than half the population applauded it and today the other half applauds their executive to do the same.

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His entire political career was violent from the beginning. There was always death in his wake. He didn’t just suddenly “turn” violent. It was a pattern …as it always is with sociopaths. This is THE most important thing to watch; the violence. I always keep an eye on who is rioting …breaking things …throwing rocks and bombs. It doesn’t make them Nazis. But it signals how far they’re willing to go.

Collectivists and Nationalist Populists are violent by nature and desire.  Whether or not the atmosphere is ripe for them to act upon being stoked into rage is the only variable.  National Socialists, are Leftists.  Fascists are Nationalist Populist/Collectivists - also a branch of Socialism. Means to an end via retribution, payback and revenge is all that matters to such movements.

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He entered office with his own personal military construct (the SS) with allegiance to him ONLY. They would carry out things the regular military would never carry out: i.e. the murder of private citizens and political opponents. Nothing like that exists or COULD exist in America. We simply wouldn’t allow it.

It's idiotic to assume such a thing can't happen here.  How many Alphabets answerable only to the executive operate with more armed agents and with more military equipment available to them than most state National Guard reserves?  Did you know agents for the National Weather Service are armed (NOAA)? -  you know, the Climate Change police?  We not only allow military constructs for domestic use allegiant only to the Executive, we DEFER to such Alphabets having the ability to carry out domestic military ops against those we assume are criminals, violators or threats to the government (IRS, BLM, NFWS etc.)  So don't tell us something like that couldn't exist here because we already DO ALLOW IT.

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4. He didn’t start out just killing Jews. He started out euthanizing people with special needs …for the betterment of the care-givers’ lives. (You can decide which side of the aisle favors the extermination of “inconvenient” people).

Abortion.  Euthanasia movements.  They don't need a Hitler to exist in this country.  The desire to terminate unwanteds and 'inconveniences' on society is a zeitgeist that exists among a vast majority of those in power in this country, even on "our side".  Abortion is a "right" and a sacred, untouchable religious tenet to the entire Left.  We've created an industrial extermination system of the most vulnerable in our country that the Nazis cannot hold a candle to.  We've exterminated an entire generation of Americans in the womb.  Mass murdering societies always start out by convincing the people that the criminalization and/or elimination of certain people is to the good of society.  We do that here with Abortion, and I tremble for my country when I consider what God has to say about innocent blood crying out to Him from the ground and that His Wrath and Vengeance will not sleep forever.

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5. He disarmed the population, then nationalized healthcare and education.

We've got Nationalized ObamaCare that the GOP told us last week is here to stay, perhaps modified slightly.  Education is already a total and solid fortress of the Left, nationalized in almost every respect (Moochelle's North Korean school lunch program anyone?)

As to disarming the population - we've seen how willing Americans are to comply when registration efforts are initiated:



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Hitler was a real life murdering sociopath.


We have no record of Hitler ever killing anyone by his own hands.  Hitler was Germany's first Community Organizer.  His acolytes and followers did what he wanted, which was to implement Hitler's plan of fundamental transformation in the quest of making 'Germany Great Again'.  His rabid followers began their intimidating push to power via violence and mayhem against 'enemies of the Father land' (i.e.: Jews, Communists).

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In other words, you or I probably couldn’t end up being Hitler. A garden variety KKK leader probably couldn’t end up being Hitler either …or a community organizer …or a New York real-estate tycoon. It’s not that easy or simple.

That statement is beyond irresponsible and naive, of both human nature and history itself.  Anyone can be a Hitler.  It just takes the right circumstances, the right words and the ability to motivate via base emotions to gin-up a populist movement that pushes for all the things that transformed every Republic that came before us into little Nazi Germany's before they collapsed and were destroyed.

Satan can use anyone to do his will, and deceive the whole world, entire people and nations into accepting and celebrating genocidal expansionism.  Hitlers are most likely in a society that does not believe that such a thing can happen among them and in places where they do not believe the devil exists.

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When people think they’re seeing a Hitler, they might actually – sometimes – be seeing something closer to a Churchill.

Horseshiite.  Anytime Collectivism and Socialism/Liberalism is involved with a person seeking power - you are closer to A Nationalist Socialist Workers Party than you are to a Churchill.

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There’s a difference between an abrasive leader who makes you uncomfortable …and a despot.

A despot per our foundations is anyone who uses the color of law or mobs of intimidation to trample the fragile liberty we were bequeathed with.

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Now, people are comparing Donald Trump to Hitler.

Been happening since Nixon in my experience.  I do not consider it a bad thing - because being aware that power corrupts and such evils by the hand of a state are possible is what has kept our liberties in existence as long as they have been.  The moment we decide that a Hitler is not possible, is the moment we will accept one to rule us.

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If we keep looking for Hitler in every United States president we disagree with, we’re not going to recognize the real one when he actually shows up …in a different country.

I am more worried about the one that shows up in THIS country than I am of the one that exists overseas.  The one overseas is less a danger to my liberties than an empowered tyrant that tramples them under the color of law here at home.
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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2017, 06:47:51 pm »
Mostly the looney left compares Trump (or Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, Bush II) to Hitler.

The left have always tried to compare Republicans to Nazis.

Want to be on my looneytoon list?  Claim to be a "conservative, and compare Trump (or other Republicans) with Hitler.

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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2017, 06:58:09 pm »
Trump isn't Hitler because we will shoot back and his supporters lack the manparts to try.

Trump isn't Hitler because of those of us who will oppose him. You're welcome.

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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2017, 07:16:14 pm »
Loons on the left; loons on the right:

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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2017, 07:29:26 pm »
Loons on the left; loons on the right:



Stuck in the middle....

with you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q
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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2017, 07:53:43 pm »
Stuck in the middle....

with you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

That is the bumper music for the radio broadcast on Sirius XM by Michael Smerconish

He admits he was wrong on Trump, and he usually has a good show.
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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2017, 08:00:07 pm »
That is the bumper music for the radio broadcast on Sirius XM by Michael Smerconish

He admits he was wrong on Trump, and he usually has a good show.

Well, I have admitted that I was wrong on Trump re: my suspicion that he was deliberately trying to hand the election to Hillary.  But in all fairness, some of the idiotic things he was doing and saying gave me good reason to suspect that. 

That said, I don't hate Trump like some do.  I'll stand behind him when it comes to fighting, combating and hopefully defeating the radical left in America.  But I will also be one of his harshest critics if he stops opposing that radical left faction.  Count on it.

By virtue of all that, I am not 'stuck in the middle' here.  I am literally on the outside and an outsider, belonging to neither group.  Perhaps that is how I like it, come to think of it.   :laugh:

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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2017, 08:55:50 pm »
Trump isn't Hitler because we will shoot back and his supporters lack the manparts to try.

Trump isn't Hitler because of those of us who will oppose him. You're welcome.

That reads like a threat of physical violence by you, against supporters of the President of the United States.

And you are name calling the President's supporters to be cowards?

Is that your meaning? Are you of sound mind?

I find that pattern of speech to be offensive, but I guess if doing so makes you feel like a big, tough keyboard warrior, go ahead.

Glenn Beck all but admits his mental illness(es).



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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2017, 09:14:11 pm »
Comparisons to Hitler are a bit absurd, but...

Who makes you think Kristallnacht more? Donald Trump or liberal rioters?
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2017, 09:17:05 pm »
Well, I have admitted that I was wrong on Trump re: my suspicion that he was deliberately trying to hand the election to Hillary.  But in all fairness, some of the idiotic things he was doing and saying gave me good reason to suspect that. 

That said, I don't hate Trump like some do.  I'll stand behind him when it comes to fighting, combating and hopefully defeating the radical left in America.  But I will also be one of his harshest critics if he stops opposing that radical left faction.  Count on it.

By virtue of all that, I am not 'stuck in the middle' here.  I am literally on the outside and an outsider, belonging to neither group.  Perhaps that is how I like it, come to think of it.   :laugh:

Ditto.

Thanks for articulating that.
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2017, 09:21:33 pm »
Comparisons to Hitler are a bit absurd, but...

Who makes you think Kristallnacht more? Donald Trump or liberal rioters?
Of course it is liberal rioters.

And then after pointing out every Republican President has been likened to Hitler by the DEMOCRATS, it makes it all the more absurd for some to continue on with the nonsense.

But apparently "manparts" boasting is the way of the keyboard warrior, in certain parts.



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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2017, 11:58:50 pm »
Well, I have admitted that I was wrong on Trump re: my suspicion that he was deliberately trying to hand the election to Hillary.  But in all fairness, some of the idiotic things he was doing and saying gave me good reason to suspect that. 

That said, I don't hate Trump like some do.  I'll stand behind him when it comes to fighting, combating and hopefully defeating the radical left in America.  But I will also be one of his harshest critics if he stops opposing that radical left faction.  Count on it.

By virtue of all that, I am not 'stuck in the middle' here.  I am literally on the outside and an outsider, belonging to neither group.  Perhaps that is how I like it, come to think of it.   :laugh:

I'm pretty much with you on that.  I couldn't vote for Trump in the general election, but now that he's president I will judge him by his actions, not by any preconceived notions about him.  And I think that separates me from a number of the folks who I agreed with before the election.  While I'm trying to look at what he does objectively, there seems to be a contingent who refuses to see anything he does in other than the worst possible light.
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Re: THIS HITLER NONSENSE …
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2017, 07:17:46 am »
Comparisons to Hitler are a bit absurd, but...

Who makes you think Kristallnacht more? Donald Trump or liberal rioters?
I haven't seen Donny breaking windows, but the 'liberals' are in it for the looting. They might wrap some flag around their larceny and vandalism, but the shops always get cleaned out.
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2017, 07:20:04 am »
Well, I have admitted that I was wrong on Trump re: my suspicion that he was deliberately trying to hand the election to Hillary.  But in all fairness, some of the idiotic things he was doing and saying gave me good reason to suspect that. 

That said, I don't hate Trump like some do.  I'll stand behind him when it comes to fighting, combating and hopefully defeating the radical left in America.  But I will also be one of his harshest critics if he stops opposing that radical left faction.  Count on it.

By virtue of all that, I am not 'stuck in the middle' here.  I am literally on the outside and an outsider, belonging to neither group.  Perhaps that is how I like it, come to think of it.   :laugh:
That sums it up nicely.

It sure does get tedious having all these people who never looked me in the eye nor heard my voice tell me what I think...
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