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GOP changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
By Peter Schroeder - 02/01/17 10:00 AM EST

Senate Republicans pushed through a pair of President Trump’s Cabinet nominees Wednesday, upending standard committee rules to circumvent a Democratic boycott.
 
The Senate Finance Committee advanced a pair of Trump’s nominees with only Republican members present — Steven Mnuchin to head the Treasury Department, and Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) as secretary of Health and Human Services.

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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 03:16:08 pm »
YESSSSS!!!


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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
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GOP changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
By Peter Schroeder - 02/01/17 10:00 AM EST

Senate Republicans pushed through a pair of President Trump’s Cabinet nominees Wednesday, upending standard committee rules to circumvent a Democratic boycott.
 
The Senate Finance Committee advanced a pair of Trump’s nominees with only Republican members present — Steven Mnuchin to head the Treasury Department, and Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) as secretary of Health and Human Services.

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About frickin time (they grew a set).  Let's hope this newfound show of nads continues....

and perhaps even grows.  And the sound of leftie squeal in the morning is, per usual, music to my ears.  Let the squeals begin (or continue).... :laugh:
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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
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GOP changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
By Peter Schroeder - 02/01/17 10:00 AM EST

Senate Republicans pushed through a pair of President Trump’s Cabinet nominees Wednesday, upending standard committee rules to circumvent a Democratic boycott.
 
The Senate Finance Committee advanced a pair of Trump’s nominees with only Republican members present — Steven Mnuchin to head the Treasury Department, and Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) as secretary of Health and Human Services.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/317302-gop-changes-rules-to-push-through-nominees-after-dem-boycott
Good. You know damn well the Democrats would have done it if the roles were reversed. If they need to go nuclear on the Supreme Court nominee they should do that also. Harry Reid changed the rules when he wanted to so that toothpaste is already out of the tube.
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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 03:26:04 pm »
YESSSSS!!!
The Democrats are a "minority" party. They represent a small segment of America. I agree that they should have their say, but they have no business trying to run America.


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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2017, 03:27:00 pm »
About frickin time (they grew a set).  Let's hope this newfound show of nads continues....

and perhaps even grows.  And the sound of leftie squeal in the morning is, per usual, music to my ears.  Let the squeals begin (or continue).... :laugh:

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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2017, 03:34:57 pm »
Let the stuck-pig squealing commence. 

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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2017, 03:38:15 pm »
New found respect for Hatch. May his tribe increase. How about a statement from McConnell that this is the game plan going forward?

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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 03:54:04 pm »
New found respect for Hatch. May his tribe increase. How about a statement from McConnell that this is the game plan going forward?

Better if he didn't make a statement, actually.  What Hatch did, would have been done with McConnell's knowledge and blessing, and it will serve as guidance to other committee heads.  Democrats are on notice that their little ploy has failed.

If McConnell makes a public statement, the resultant and predictable tooth-gnashing would make it harder for the committee heads to do as Hatch did.

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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2017, 04:05:07 pm »
Better if he didn't make a statement, actually.  What Hatch did, would have been done with McConnell's knowledge and blessing, and it will serve as guidance to other committee heads.  Democrats are on notice that their little ploy has failed.

If McConnell makes a public statement, the resultant and predictable tooth-gnashing would make it harder for the committee heads to do as Hatch did.

First, the only way they can stop it is to show up to committee votes, in which case they'll get outvoted and the GOP will win.

Second, the Democratic Senators would have learned about this as soon as the vote as taken.  It was no secret to them.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2017, 04:07:24 pm »
First, the only way they can stop it is to show up to committee votes, in which case they'll get outvoted and the GOP will win.

Second, the Democrats obviously would have learned about this almost instantly on their own anyway.  No way to keep a committee vote secret.

Correct.  It's a brilliant move on Hatch's part, and I would think (maybe "hope" is a better word) that it means the GOP is actually thinking tactically and strategically.

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2017, 04:12:42 pm »
Correct.  It's a brilliant move on Hatch's part, and I would think (maybe "hope" is a better word) that it means the GOP is actually thinking tactically and strategically.

The Democrats are overplaying their hand, and there were signs of the effect right after the election.  I read a lot of comments from Republicans/conservatives who didn't like Trump saying "I don't like Trump, but the way the left is behaving is forcing me to defend him."  The same thing is happening in Congress.  If the Democrats are going to take everything to 11 anyway, then there's no reason for the GOP not to play hardball as well, because the Democrats already took compromise of the table.

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2017, 04:37:05 pm »
The Democrats are overplaying their hand, and there were signs of the effect right after the election.  I read a lot of comments from Republicans/conservatives who didn't like Trump saying "I don't like Trump, but the way the left is behaving is forcing me to defend him."  The same thing is happening in Congress.  If the Democrats are going to take everything to 11 anyway, then there's no reason for the GOP not to play hardball as well, because the Democrats already took compromise of the table.

And I think you're correct here, too.

I think the Democrats still don't really understand the dynamic that got Trump elected in the first place, a lot of which had to do with fatigue, mistrust, and frustration with the Democrat/Media Outrage Industry. 

For all of Trump's stupid rookie mistakes (and there are a lot of those), he has scattered a few good things among them, which do not fit into the spiraling hysteria.  Rational,  non-partisan people can recognize these and discuss them.  For example, Trump's so-called "Muslim Ban" was ham-handed and too susceptible to misinterpretation; but I know for a fact that reasonable people across the political spectrum can at least acknowledge the underlying issues it addresses.  The fact that the Democrats are manifestly unwilling to discuss such things rationally is obvious to them.

Another factor is the demonstrations in deep blue cities, many of which are violent in words and sometimes in action.  They are properly understood to be a part of the Democrats' response, and for every "I'm troubled" from the oleaginous Mr. Schumer, there's some anarchist in a hoody blocking traffic in Portland who's pissing off the very people Schumer would like to impress.

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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2017, 04:46:32 pm »
Well, if they want to participate in the process, they should show up to work!

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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2017, 05:18:26 pm »
Let the stuck-pig squealing commence.

Hatch brought his pig sticker to the fight.  Obama's guns were MIA.

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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2017, 05:23:52 pm »
The Democrats are a "minority" party. They represent a small segment of America. I agree that they should have their say, but they have no business trying to run America.


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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2017, 05:28:18 pm »
YESSSSS!!!

Exactly what we were talking about yesterday.  Slam the gavel.

If the dems dont want to participate , have the votes.

The spirit of this rule was not to allow the ruling party to have sneaky votes, which is not operative here..


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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2017, 06:01:09 pm »
Good on Hatch.



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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2017, 06:10:35 pm »
I believe that Democrats have concluded that Republicans' obstructionism cost the GOP nothing, and in fact helped them, during the Obama years.  They intend to use the same playbook against Trump.  The problem for them is they have to hold on to 40 of their 47 senators to make a filibuster succeed, and they have 10 members up for re-election from states that went for Trump.

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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2017, 06:13:58 pm »
I believe that Democrats have concluded that Republicans' obstructionism cost the GOP nothing, and in fact helped them, during the Obama years.  They intend to use the same playbook against Trump.  The problem for them is they have to hold on to 40 of their 47 senators to make a filibuster succeed, and they have 10 members up for re-election from states that went for Trump.

Different dynamic, though.  For most of the Obama administration the GOP had the majority in one or both Houses, but not the presidency.  They had the luxury of not acting on some legislature, or could hold off on approving things they knew Obama would veto.  The net effect was "obstruction" of Obama's agenda, but in many ways it was more properly a standoff.

The Democrats have neither House, nor the presidency.  The best they can do is try to delay or prevent certain things from happening, but they do so from a minority position. 
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Not exactly the same, but I'm sure this guy likes it.
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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2017, 06:25:49 pm »
Better if he didn't make a statement, actually.  What Hatch did, would have been done with McConnell's knowledge and blessing, and it will serve as guidance to other committee heads.  Democrats are on notice that their little ploy has failed.

If McConnell makes a public statement, the resultant and predictable tooth-gnashing would make it harder for the committee heads to do as Hatch did.
I think McConnell decided Hatch should do this as he is President Pro Tempore of the Senate and has been a member for over 40 years. That is a lot of gravitas. Now the other committee heads have cover to do the same. You notice the Democrats showed up later for the Session's vote.
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Re: GOP[Hatch] changes rules to push through nominees after Dem boycott
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2017, 06:33:09 pm »
I think McConnell decided Hatch should do this as he is President Pro Tempore of the Senate and has been a member for over 40 years. That is a lot of gravitas. Now the other committee heads have cover to do the same. You notice the Democrats showed up later for the Session's vote.

Yup.  Plus which, it's one thing for McConnell to talk about it, another thing for Hatch to have done it.

This is a lesson to both parties.  The Democrats rolled over on this one.  And the GOP hopefully realizes that they don't actually have to play nice all the time.