Dem: Trump could be impeached over immigration order

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Actually, your link shows that among likely voters, he's +6.  That's better than he did on election day.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Actually, your link shows that among likely voters, he's +6.  That's better than he did on election day.

That's just Rasmussen.


The RCP average did not do a bad job of the final polling results, it just missed the state count.

[Frank Cannon]

Suck a fart out of my bleep Frank. He's underwater a week into his Presidency as per RCP:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html


Unprecedented in our time. I don't want to bash Trump, but the facts and reality are on my side on this issue, not yours.

Are these the same polls that had him losing the election? Thanks but I'll pass.

The only people I know hand wringing and pearl clutching over Trump now are people who are afraid of their mothers.

[Frank Cannon]

That's just Rasmussen.


The RCP average did not do a bad job of the final polling results, it just missed the state count.

The state count is all that matters in an election in case you flunked civic. Also that Ras poll is also the only one using Likely Voters who are actually the only people who count.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Are these the same polls that had him losing the election? Thanks but I'll pass.

The only people I know hand wringing and pearl clutching over Trump now are people who are afraid of their mothers.

So you cite a poll saying Trump's popularity is rising and now these polls you don't believe?  Sounds like cherry picking to me. The RCP average was fairly accurate, and it showed Hillary winning the PV by 3% or so, and she won it by 2%.


I'm not hand wringing or pearl clutching, Frank. This is my objective analysis.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The state count is all that matters in an election in case you flunked civic. Also that Ras poll is also the only one using Likely Voters who are actually the only people who count.

Trump barely squeaked by in a few of these states. There were many voters like me who voted for the USSC only. I'm sure the GOP realizes this.


And if we get to this point where Trump is on the verge of impeachment my guess is his popularity will be lower than ever, further boosting my view that the GOP wouldn't have much to hold them back on impeachment.

[Victoria33]

What are you basing that claim upon?  Got any stats/links?  Cause....  from my perspective, I'm thinking that many that didn't vote for Trump (like myself) are being pleasantly surprised at his actions thus far.  So quite the opposite is occurring among many of those who opposed Trump in the primaries.  Just sayin...

@XenaLee

Saw a Gallop poll two days ago that showed only 30% of the country approved of what Trump is doing.  That 70% opposed would be Democrats and Republicans who didn't vote for him, independents who have changed their mind since the election, plus other Republicans who have changed their mind. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Another viewpoint: the GOP would probably approach Trump and gave him a Nixon speech (ie. "you lost your popularity in Congress") and Trump would be looking at jailtime too, and financial and personal ruin. Would Trump want to risk all that? Doubt it. He'd probably resign like Nixon and there'd be no impeachment.


So in that sense, I might agree that the GOP may never impeach Trump.

[skeeter]

Another viewpoint: the GOP would probably approach Trump and gave him a Nixon speech (ie. "you lost your popularity in Congress") and Trump would be looking at jailtime too, and financial and personal ruin. Would Trump want to risk all that? Doubt it. He'd probably resign like Nixon and there'd be no impeachment.


So in that sense, I might agree that the GOP may never impeach Trump.

I think you're getting way ahead of yourself, WTF.

[kevindavis007]

Trump barely squeaked by in a few of these states. There were many voters like me who voted for the USSC only. I'm sure the GOP realizes this.


And if we get to this point where Trump is on the verge of impeachment my guess is his popularity will be lower than ever, further boosting my view that the GOP wouldn't have much to hold them back on impeachment.

Had Trump faced a more competent candidate, he would have lost.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I think you're getting way ahead of yourself, WTF.

Meh, just speculating. 

[GtHawk]

Considering that his mother was a Chicana political activist who helped establish the Chicano political party La Raza Unida, I would say that his views on what the U.S. should be are radically different  than members here is very accurate! 

Just a note; Castro is contemplating running against Cruz in TX in 2018 ... now would be a good time to start donating to Cruz to help ensure Castro is defeated.

Wait now, what? Donate to Lyin Cruz? My God you will make many Trump supporters heads explode with that one, though not as many as before as they see that Cruz isn't the Bogey Man , ahem someone made him out to be. However no matter what Cruz does to support America and Trump there is still a core of haters for whom it will never be enough.

[mirraflake]

Most presidents get a honeymoon period with a high popularity, Trump is starting out with a middling popularity that will probably drop as time goes on.

Trumps approval rating has been increasing after the inaugaration . Step away from CNN, son.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Trumps approval rating has been increasing after the inaugaration . Step away from CNN, son.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

I see no evidence of that except for a few cherry picked polls.

[beandog]

President the Donald is not going to be impeached nor is he going to resign.  The Rats know it as do the NeverTrumpers.  What this is about is putting in people's minds that he is doing something against the law in hopes of picking up seats in Congress and winning the White House in 4 years.  Unfortunately, there are a lot of stupid people out there that just hear the word "impeachment" and think that if there talking about it, there must be something to it.

[anubias]

Another viewpoint: the GOP would probably approach Trump and gave him a Nixon speech (ie. "you lost your popularity in Congress") and Trump would be looking at jailtime too, and financial and personal ruin. Would Trump want to risk all that? Doubt it. He'd probably resign like Nixon and there'd be no impeachment.


So in that sense, I might agree that the GOP may never impeach Trump.

Fanatics have their dreams, wherewith they weave a paradise for a sect.  -- Keats

[Sanguine]

Didn't we have a "digging a hole" emoticon?   

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Saw a Gallop poll two days ago that showed only 30% of the country approved of what Trump is doing.  That 70% opposed would be Democrats and Republicans who didn't vote for him, independents who have changed their mind since the election, plus other Republicans who have changed their mind.

I really don't go by or believe the polls any more.  If the polls were right, Hillary would be the president. 

Neither myself nor anybody in my family or circle of friends (and acquaintances) has ever been asked to participate in any of those polls.  JS....

[TomSea]

@XenaLee

The only polls I have heard is that Trump is enjoying a 59% approval rating:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/01/26/trumps-approval-rating-hits-59-percent-n2277254

And

More than half of Americans support Trump immigration ban: Poll
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/01/more_than_half_of_american_sup.html

We should start posting poll numbers again, I haven't seen these articles referred to here when really they should be.

[starstruck]

He's not, he's just not. And his popularity is flagging with middle of the roaders. And they don't like him.


Most presidents get a honeymoon period with a high popularity, Trump is starting out with a middling popularity that will probably drop as time goes on.

I didn't support or vote for Trump. I thought he would turn back to being a liberal once he was elected. I have been pleasantly surprised by the things he's done as far as cabinet and SCOTUS picks. If someone was to poll me at this point in time I'd have to give him a thumbs up. I've also noticed on social media the "outraged against everything Trump does group" is starting to get some contention from people who are normally quiet when it comes to politics.

[Bigun]

Polls!   

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I didn't support or vote for Trump. I thought he would turn back to being a liberal once he was elected. I have been pleasantly surprised by the things he's done as far as cabinet and SCOTUS picks. If someone was to poll me at this point in time I'd have to give him a thumbs up. I've also noticed on social media the "outraged against everything Trump does group" is starting to get some contention from people who are normally quiet when it comes to politics.

Do you think you represent the entire country?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

That's just Rasmussen.


The RCP average did not do a bad job of the final polling results, it just missed the state count.

That's true, but those final polling results were all polls of likely voters.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

But with the singular exception of Rasmussen, the current favorable/unfavorable polls are all either of "registered voters", or "all adults".  And not surprisingly, those polls show him lower.  And if you look even further, the argument that is number is going down is wrong.  In fact, his numbers were worse at the beginning/middle of the month than they are now.  Right now, he's at -1.7.  A couple of weeks ago, he was at -7.8.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

He's gone up more than 6 points in two weeks.  That is not evidence of collapsing poll numbers.

[Oceander]

@Oceander

Trump will have to do something extraordinarily egregious, against the law, before Republicans will impeach him.  He may do that at some point during his term since he is a loose cannon, but nothing so far reaches that level. 

That depends on what happens in 2018. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

That's true, but those final polling results were all polls of likely voters.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

But with the singular exception of Rasmussen, the current favorable/unfavorable polls are all either of "registered voters", or "all adults".  And not surprisingly, those polls show him lower.  And if you look even further, the argument that is number is going down is wrong.  In fact, his numbers were worse at the beginning/middle of the month than they are now.  Right now, he's at -1.7.  A couple of weeks ago, he was at -7.8.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

He's gone up more than 6 points in two weeks.  That is not evidence of collapsing poll numbers.

Welp, this is right after his election. Of course he could turn all this around, but then, that would mean Trump isn't being Trump. "Let Trump be Trump" is the motto right?


There's debate on how unfavorable Trump is, there no question in my mind that beyond Trump's base he's not that popular. And certainly the GOPe doesn't care for him and if they got rid of him they'd have Pence.


All of this points to the GOP wouldn't have much to lose if Trump did some Nixon-like stuff (or worse) and people were crying for impeachment anyway. And Trump has way more to lose than most politicians even, as he has a business empire and legacy to leave his kids.