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Homeowner charged with manslaughter for shooting at home invasion suspects

Published January 31, 2017 
 
A Minnesota homeowner is facing manslaughter charges after he told police he shot at a group of men who had tried breaking into his home, and one of the suspects later died in the hospital.

David Allen Pettersen, 65, called police around 7 a.m. Saturday to report a possible burglary and shooting at his home in Fieldon Township, just south of Madelia. According to the charging documents, Pettersen told the dispatcher he fired his handgun at a gray car that was leaving his property after an attempted burglary.

A deputy responding to the call found the car 2 miles north of Pettersen's home, with three people inside. One of the passengers, 19-year-old Nicolas Thomas Embertson, had a gunshot wound and later died at Madelia Hospital.

Another passenger, 18-year-old Kyle Thomas Nason, had a broken ankle. He told police that he, Embertson and a third man -- 18-year-old Cornelius Ayers -- were at Pettersen's home to "case" it for a future burglary.

Nason said his friends gave him a boost onto the second-level deck of the home, and that he injured his ankle when making the 10-foot jump back down. He told police he heard two loud bangs as Embertson drove away from the home. As they were headed down the driveway, Embertson said, "I think I've been hit," before losing consciousness. Nason continued driving the car until they were stopped by the deputy responding to Petterson's 911 call.

Pettersen told investigators he was in bed when he heard someone trying to open a door to the deck. He saw the person jump from the deck and crawl toward a car, at which point he grabbed a .45 caliber handgun and tried to shoot the tires of the car. Pettersen said he was about 10 feet from the car when he fired two or three shots.

Pettersen was arrested and booked into the Watonwan County Jail. Monday morning, he was charged with second-degree manslaughter and reckless discharge of a firearm.

"The law does say a self-defense law, but what we've gathered so far, we feel we have enough to charge him with second-degree manslaughter," Watonwan County Chief Deputy Jeremy Nachreiner told KEYC-TV in Mankato. END ARTICLE

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homeowner is facing manslaughter charges after he told police he shot at a group of men who had tried breaking into his home
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Was the car off his property at the time of the shooting?

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"...fired his handgun at a gray car that was leaving his property..."
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homeowner is facing manslaughter charges after he told police he shot at a group of men who had tried breaking into his home

Pettersen told the dispatcher he fired his handgun at a gray car that was leaving his property

The threat had ended.
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He forgot to say, "It's coming right for us!"
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He also missed from 10 feet.  Had he hit the tires, the punks would have driven away on the rims and never turned him in as they'd have to admit to (attempted burglary?)

Oh, wait, he called the cops on himself.
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The car was off his property and fleeing the scene. The risk of eminent danger that would justify self-defense and castle doctrine don't apply.

He crossed the line from self/property-defense to being a vigilante.

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Will a jury convict him?

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Will a jury convict him?

This is Minnesota.  I wouldn't want to be on trial.
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A 45 is going to make a big ass hole in anything it hits.
No wonder the guy died.


Hollywood has it all wrong. Getting shot in the shoulder will kill you. 'Just a flesh wound' will kill you.
Getting shot with a military 45 anywhere, and you are in serious trouble.
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This is Minnesota.  I wouldn't want to be on trial.
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They are going to hang this guy.

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They are going to hang this guy.


I understand what he did and I understand why he did it. I can easily see myself doing the same thing.
But still, his life as it was, is now changed forever.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Never discharge your weapon when the threat has ended and especially when it exceeds the bounds of your property. Reckless.
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Pettersen told the dispatcher he fired his handgun at a gray car that was leaving his property

The threat had ended.

What if they were going for guns? In some states this would be a legal kill.

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Never discharge your weapon when the threat has ended and especially when it exceeds the bounds of your property. Reckless.
Precisely. No imminent threat, fleeing suspects, bad shot (if he was aiming for tires), in a Liberal state.

Bad juju all around.
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What if they were going for guns? In some states this would be a legal kill.
They'd have to have guns on their person/in the car. If they are out burgling together, chances there's someone there with priors, and maybe a felon. If they had a gun with them, that could backfire on the would-be thieves, with serious prosecutorial discretion.

But the guy is in Minnesota, not known for being a bastion of Castle Doctrine, but a state with far more liberal leanings. Basically, short of an imminent threat, the guy screwed the pooch banging away at fleeing suspects.
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Re: Can you spot the error? Man defending home against burglars goes to jail...
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2017, 12:00:24 am »
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Shoot them on your property and you get a medal in Texas.

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Re: Can you spot the error? Man defending home against burglars goes to jail...
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2017, 12:04:39 am »
They'd have to have guns on their person/in the car. If they are out burgling together, chances there's someone there with priors, and maybe a felon. If they had a gun with them, that could backfire on the would-be thieves, with serious prosecutorial discretion.

But the guy is in Minnesota, not known for being a bastion of Castle Doctrine, but a state with far more liberal leanings. Basically, short of an imminent threat, the guy screwed the pooch banging away at fleeing suspects.

This guys problem is he didn't knock down all three and plant a weapon on one of them.

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Re: Can you spot the error? Man defending home against burglars goes to jail...
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2017, 12:11:24 am »
This guys problem is he didn't knock down all three and plant a weapon on one of them.
:nometalk:... but you have a point.

Still, a good throwdown piece isn't as easy to come by as it used to be...
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Re: Can you spot the error? Man defending home against burglars goes to jail...
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2017, 12:13:52 am »
GFT.

They are going to hang this guy.

GFT?
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Re: Can you spot the error? Man defending home against burglars goes to jail...
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2017, 12:25:05 am »
Go Forth Tony.

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I deserved that! 

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Re: Can you spot the error? Man defending home against burglars goes to jail...
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2017, 12:28:48 am »
His error is living in a liberal state?

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Re: Can you spot the error? Man defending home against burglars goes to jail...
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2017, 12:54:56 am »
His error is living in a liberal state?

He is 65.  Where The F is he going to go?  Maybe he could live in your basement?