Trump asked for a ‘Muslim ban,’ Giuliani says — and ordered a commission to do it ‘legally’

[jpsb]

I have, unfortunately, come to the conclusion that there are certain people around here that don't care if American lives are protected.  They are more concerned about harming President the Donald.  Before the election I stupidly thought this was because they were conservatives that honestly did not believe President the Donald would do the right things when he became president.  I have since changed my opinion.  When you find yourself siding with the liberal press, hollywood and any demonrat, you can know longer consider yourself a conservative.

Anyone who claims they are just "holding his feet to the fire" is lying.  They want him to fail so they can say "we told you so".  This is about their own egos, not President the Donald's.

I completely agree, particularly that "conservative" part.

[txradioguy]

Just out of curiousity...did President Trump consult with Congress on this ban?

I thought they have the say on stuff like this.

[jpsb]

And was about the legally vetted green card holders that are also caught up in this ban?

I have no problem at all with putting an immediate stop in refugees coming in from those countries...but stopping legal green card holders as well takes it too far.

Green card holders are being allowed in. DHS has authority to allow in for any reason it sees fit.

[libertybele]

The primary issue, in my opinion, is that the unmitigated hate that the NeverTrump movement has for President Trump is stronger than their love of country, or their fellow countrymen.


They believe that if Americans have to die to hurt Trump, then so be it. That is why they are currently fighting along with the terrorist on this issue. Whatever it takes to damage Trump is fine with them, no matter what it costs.

Exactly.  It is time for CONSERVATIVES to pull together.  Hillary is defeated and it's time to Rock 'n Roll folks!! We've been given a huge opportunity to reverse some of the liberal strongholds on this country and take our country in the other direction.  We wanted this country back; now is the time to do so!

[txradioguy]

Green card holders are being allowed in. DHS has authority to allow in for any reason it sees fit.

Oh they are?

The US government will not automatically allow green card holders who traveled to countries placed under a temporary travel ban back into the United States, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

Instead, after landing those travelers will have to apply for a waiver to the executive order that instituted the ban, the sources said. When they land, they will be taken into a secondary screening process in which they will be interviewed and their biometric and biographic information will be checked to see if there are any red flags. Then their eligibility to enter the country will be determined.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/green-card-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html


They are being treated like illegals or like someone who hasn't been through the process before.  That is just flat out wrong.

As someone else stated...they can only have this done to them if due process is revoked.

And last time I checked it hasn't.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Just out of curiousity...did President Trump consult with Congress on this ban?   I thought they have the say on stuff like this.

@txradioguy


DemWorsethanISIS™ ‏@GodspeedTrumps 2m2 minutes ago More
@mitchellvii The Law is the Law #LawandOrder

[Sanguine]

Oh they are?


http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/green-card-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html


They are being treated like illegals or like someone who hasn't been through the process before.  That is just flat out wrong.

As someone else stated...they can only have this done to them if due process is revoked.

And last time I checked it hasn't.

That's not how I read it, but then I'm not an expert on immigration law.  They way I see it is that non-citizens who travel to these countries of concern may not be allowed back in.

[XenaLee]

Ho hum.....



another day, another schoolyard squabble.  It's getting boringly predictable around here.

That said.... I see nothing wrong with a temporary Muslim ban (all Muslims may not be terrorists, but all terrorists from the Middle East do seem to be Muslims), since Obama set that "religious criteria" precedent re: excluding Christian refugees from the Middle East.  And since a Muslim ban is not what has been implemented, it's all moot.   Much ado about nothing (as usual), IMO.

[mountaineer]

Just out of curiousity...did President Trump consult with Congress on this ban?

I thought they have the say on stuff like this.

Congress passed the law authorizing the president to impose these restrictions, so they actually have had their say.

[TomSea]

I guess Carter, Roosevelt and perhaps even Obama delved into this some.

[corbe]

Just out of curiousity...did President Trump consult with Congress on this ban?

I thought they have the say on stuff like this.

   Because Schumer is slow walking his AG pick through the Senate, he couldn't even have the benefit of council from the one that he needed the most-Sessions, Bannon is apparently no Legal Scholar.

[Right_in_Virginia]

And was about the legally vetted green card holders that are also caught up in this ban?

I have no problem at all with putting an immediate stop in refugees coming in from those countries...but stopping legal green card holders as well takes it too far.

OMG @txradioguy --- do you ever read anything beyond your own posts?  This is from yesterday:


Chris Snyder ‏@ChrisSnyderFox 8m8 minutes ago More
Update - @DHSgov Secretary John Kelly now says green card holders from seven countries involved executive order will be allowed into the US

[Right_in_Virginia]

   Because Schumer is slow walking his AG pick through the Senate, he couldn't even have the benefit of council from the one that he needed the most-Sessions, Bannon is apparently no Legal Scholar.

The President has the authority under law to do this.

Please ... stop speculating and feeding the Marxist beast--do some research.  Understand that Presidents have been allowed to and have taken advantage of this right since Jimmy Carter.

[corbe]

The President has the authority under law to do this.

Please ... stop speculating and feeding the Marxist beast--do some research.  Understand that Presidents have been allowed to and have taken advantage of this right since Jimmy Carter.

   I'm not disputing that fact @Right_in_Virginia I'm nearly inferring that with Sessions input we may not have the wall to wall coverage of all these stupid airport protests, which clearly affects your guy's ego.  I have done my research and it's been clearly opined that Bannon had his fingers in this pie.

   As far as Presidential Directives go, it goes way back before Carter, FDR and the Japanese or Eisehower and 'Operation Wetback' ring a bell.

   To use your exact words but not as eloquently about feeding the Marxist  beast - pfffttttt.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy


DemWorsethanISIS™ ‏@GodspeedTrumps 2m2 minutes ago More
@mitchellvii The Law is the Law #LawandOrder

That's the third time on two different threads you've posted that particular pic.

Still means squat to this debate. Or the question I asked.

[mystery-ak]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/29/trump-says-extreme-vetting-pause-same-obamas-2011-/
Trump says extreme vetting pause is same as Obama’s 2011 Iraq policy

[musiclady]

@jpsb, I don't think @Weird Tolkienish Figure was ever NeverTrump.  He's been back and forth, depending on what Trump does or says at the time.  In fact,  before the election I believe he was very open to supporting him.

But now because he has some criticism, he's NeverTrump?  Is that the new criteria?  If it is, you're saying that you either will be a NeverTrumper yourself if you find a problem with something Donald does, OR that you will never criticize him at all.

The attack that anyone who opposes Trump is pro-terrorist, or pro-jihadi is the foulest personal attack that anyone levels on this forum, and I believe it should be forbidden.

I know that a lot of people don't believe in reporting things to the Mods (I almost never, ever do), but IMO, any time anyone accuses another poster here of supporting terrorism, it should be reported by multiple people.

Unfortunately, the few who level that charge here are all on my IGNORE list, so I only see it in quotes.

@CatherineofAragon

[musiclady]

He certainly has the legal authority to issue the order and "inconvenience" the travelers. Whether he should have done so, whether there was an immediate need for it, etc., I honestly don't know. 
 More info:Don Surber, "Did you pass the Muslim ban test?"

Thanks, @mountaineer

[truth_seeker]

That's not how I read it, but then I'm not an expert on immigration law.  They way I see it is that non-citizens who travel to these countries of concern may not be allowed back in.

Travel to-from certain locations has been the case, with quite a lot of terrorists.

San Bernardino. Husband native born citizen, who traveled to Pakistan. Wife admitted with dangerously poor vetting. Together they murder people.

Had Trump or anybody else clamped down on vetting, lives would have been spared.

But God forbid that Trump actually wants to improve vetting, or to save lives.  He is just a bad guy, for that as well. /s

[GtHawk]

And what you don't see...and even if you did you'd never admit it...is that I've gone places and defended you and some others here from the accusation that you've turned TBR Orange.  Sadly those people...members here...didn't want to hear the truth and deleted my membership from their whiny little space on FB and deleted my comments.

Don't really care if you believe me or not but I did defend you...no reason for me to lie or make things up.

The fact of the matter is that it's became a very lame excuse for both sides.  You can't stand to hear even legitimate criticism of Trump from anyone at any time...so you just label them anti-Trump...or do worse and call them "terrorists".

The flip side of the coin can't see anything positive about Trump without screaming the place has turned into an Orange hell.

Both sides are making a completely bogus factually inaccurate claim.  If this place was truly anti-Trump...would you still be allowed to post here?

If this place were Trump central as some claim I wouldn't be allowed to post here.

So you and a few others can continue to play the victim card all you want to...but it's growing tired and it's definitely a stale routine.

How about trying to intelligently defend your positions instead of taking the intellectually lazy way out?

Bring up the level of discourse here instead of dragging it down?

:thumbsup3: :thumbsup3:

[Silver Pines]

Exactly.  It is time for CONSERVATIVES to pull together.  Hillary is defeated and it's time to Rock 'n Roll folks!! We've been given a huge opportunity to reverse some of the liberal strongholds on this country and take our country in the other direction.  We wanted this country back; now is the time to do so!

@libertybele

It isn't about Hillary anymore.  She's over and done...history now.  The "better than Hillary" justification is the new version of  "Bush's fault."

Rather than being worried about cheerleading for a team, we need to think of what's best for the country.  I have no problem with keeping people out who might be a threat, but this whole thing was poorly executed.  Rather than excuse it, we have to demand better.

[txradioguy]

That's not how I read it, but then I'm not an expert on immigration law.  They way I see it is that non-citizens who travel to these countries of concern may not be allowed back in.

IIRC if you're a legal resident you can travel anywhere just like a US citizen.  This is akin to blocking a German with a green card after they went back to Germany for a visit.

[Sanguine]

@libertybele

It isn't about Hillary anymore.  She's over and done...history now.  The "better than Hillary" justification is the new version of  "Bush's fault."

Rather than being worried about cheerleading for a team, we need to think of what's best for the country.  I have no problem with keeping people out who might be a threat, but this whole thing was poorly executed.  Rather than excuse it, we have to demand better.

I don't think the execution is really the problem.  It wouldn't have mattered what he did - it would have been met with the over-the-top shock and horror from the left.  The protesters were lined up and ready.  They might not have known exactly what issue they would be instructed to protest, but they knew it would be something.  Or, multiple somethings.  This is one of what will be many.  At this point, the man could tweet out "good morning" and there would be protests.

None of that is to defend or attack Trump.  Just stating the facts, ma'am. 

[txradioguy]

OMG @txradioguy --- do you ever read anything beyond your own posts?  This is from yesterday:


Chris Snyder ‏@ChrisSnyderFox 8m8 minutes ago More
Update - @DHSgov Secretary John Kelly now says green card holders from seven countries involved executive order will be allowed into the US

Unlike you I don't just mindlessly throw things out there.

Yeah NOW it's happening...because of the outrage that banning green card holders caused.

That wasn't the case yesterday when this edict was handed out and President Trump confirmed it included green card holders.

Kelly is having to backtrack in a big way.

[kevindavis007]

@libertybele

It isn't about Hillary anymore.  She's over and done...history now.  The "better than Hillary" justification is the new version of  "Bush's fault."

Rather than being worried about cheerleading for a team, we need to think of what's best for the country.  I have no problem with keeping people out who might be a threat, but this whole thing was poorly executed.  Rather than excuse it, we have to demand better.

Agreed on all points..