Petition Circulating To Get California Secession Proposal On 2018 Ballot

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

weaselzippers

http://www.weaselzippers.us/321921-petition-circulating-to-get-california-secession-proposal-on-2018-ballot/


I know it's a repost from The Hill but the Admin at weaselzippers snark line was just too good to let it go.

[DiogenesLamp]

weaselzippers

http://www.weaselzippers.us/321921-petition-circulating-to-get-california-secession-proposal-on-2018-ballot/


I know it's a repost from The Hill but the Admin at weaselzippers snark line was just too good to let it go.

Let them agree to pay their portion of the *MASSIVE*  Federal Debt and Obligations that their state has run up,   and I will be glad to let them Go. 


Important point.   We must insist that we get a reasonable payment every year until the debt is satisfied,  or else we abrogate the agreement.   


I would not put it past those liberal bastards to agree to pay us then welch on the deal.   

[Hondo69]

I believe it requires 2/3 of Congress to approve to let them go - Check.

And I also believe it requires 3/4 of the other states - Check.

I say we beat them to the punch and get the process started today.

[beandog]

I think we should let the red portions of the state leave the blue portions of the state and form their own state.

[DiogenesLamp]

I believe it requires 2/3 of Congress to approve to let them go - Check.

And I also believe it requires 3/4 of the other states - Check.

Well,  I disagree with that.   The Founders explained clearly what it required. 

I say we beat them to the punch and get the process started today.

That part I agree with,  so long as they pay us what they owe us. 

[Hoodat]

Please make this happen.  Please.  And the moment it does, cut off their water.

[HonestJohn]

Let them agree to pay their portion of the *MASSIVE*  Federal Debt and Obligations that their state has run up,   and I will be glad to let them Go. 


Important point.   We must insist that we get a reasonable payment every year until the debt is satisfied,  or else we abrogate the agreement.   


I would not put it past those liberal bastards to agree to pay us then welch on the deal.

And if they succeed and refuse?

[240B]

And if they succeed and refuse?

That would be an international act of war.

[HonestJohn]

That would be an international act of war.

That's right.  And?

[Norm Lenhart]

Write off the loss, let them go and mine the damn border with Whiskey Pete. Trump can branch the wall north across the Colorado west of Yuma.

[DiogenesLamp]

And if they succeed and refuse?

Well what do you suppose ought to be done with people who  refuse to pay their bills?   

[bilo]

I know if the positions were reversed I would be very happy to be in a State that could leave and form it's own country. If they want to go let them go. If the border areas want to stay let them split off from the new nation of California and join the USA. I don't see any reason we have to stay united.

[corbe]

I know if the positions were reversed I would be very happy to be in a State that could leave and form it's own country. If they want to go let them go. If the border areas want to stay let them split off from the new nation of California and join the USA. I don't see any reason we have to stay united.

   if Texas wanted to do this (and we do), I suspect their would be allot of people across this country that would be all for it, particularly NE dems.

[bilo]

   if Texas wanted to do this (and we do), I suspect their would be allot of people across this country that would be all for it, particularly NE dems.

I think there would be opposition because a lot of adjoining states would want to go with Texas and a lot of people and industry would want to relocate there. The socialists can't have their "utopian society" if they can't steal from someone else's pocket.

So if California wants to go I say let them and a peaceful way of leaving will have been established.

[libertybele]

   if Texas wanted to do this (and we do), I suspect their would be allot of people across this country that would be all for it, particularly NE dems.

If Texas were to actually secede, I would seriously consider moving there.

[INVAR]

I believe it requires 2/3 of Congress to approve to let them go - Check.

And I also believe it requires 3/4 of the other states - Check.

I say we beat them to the punch and get the process started today.

It doesn't have to be that hard.

Just let Mexico re-annex it into their country - and we decide not to fight for it.

After all, it's already well on the way towards that end anyway.

[Mesaclone]

Let them go...but...each county holds its own vote and those with a majority NOT wanting to secede, remain in the Union. Perhaps they'll quit stealing water from Arizona if we cut them loose.

[goatprairie]

I think there would be opposition because a lot of adjoining states would want to go with Texas and a lot of people and industry would want to relocate there. The socialists can't have their "utopian society" if they can't steal from someone else's pocket.

So if California wants to go I say let them and a peaceful way of leaving will have been established.

Uh...no...I don't want to give liberals anything.  If they don't like a constitutionally run country, they can leave. There's too many resources in California to cede it to a bunch of nuts. I don't want another enemy country on our border.
Anyway, there's nothing in the constitution that allows states to secede. That issue was settled in 1865.
Californian's seceding because they don't like Trump is all blather. Nothing will happen.

[goatprairie]

If Texas were to actually secede, I would seriously consider moving there.

I think if you read your history that was actually tried and failed. Something called the Civil War.

[corbe]

‘Calexit’ paves way for Republican lock — could finish off Dems as national party
January 27, 2017

By Victor Skinner

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But analysis of the current electoral map shows that without California, Republicans would likely retain control over Congress and the White House and the country for the foreseeable future.

Without California, the next POTUS would need 242 Electoral College votes to win, which would leave Democrats scrambling to pick up several states to make up the difference. For the 2016 election, for example, Democrats would have had to of won both Texas and Florida to claim victory. Or Democrats would have had to pick up a slew of smaller states, like Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and North and South Carolina, in addition to the states Democrat Hillary Clinton took in 2016.

Even with Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio added to the blue column last year, Democrats still would have lost.

Official vote totals show Clinton won the popular vote in the 2016 election by about 2.8 million nationwide, and about 4.2 million of her votes came from California, according to Wikipedia. In other words, without California, Trump would have won both the Electoral College and popular vote in a landslide.

California’s secession would also significantly diminish what’s left of the Democratic Party’s influence in Congress. Currently, 38 Democrats and 14 Republicans represent The Golden State in the U.S. House. Without them, the House would shift to 226 Republicans and 155 Democrats, with two vacant seats, nearly giving the GOP a supermajority

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http://www.theamericanmirror.com/calexit-paves-way-republican-lock-finish-off-dems-national-party/

[Chosen Daughter]

Please make this happen.  Please.  And the moment it does, cut off their water.

You got that.  And we are going to have to build the wall around them so their illegals don't crawl over Oregon and Washington state lines.

Los Angeles most wanted.  Revealing.

http://www.lapdonline.org/top_ten_most_wanted

[corbe]

If Texas were to actually secede, I would seriously consider moving there.

@libertybele you would be welcome here with open arms.  Texas has it's share of Conservative Woman, but the more the merrier Texas men are.

[goatprairie]

‘Calexit’ paves way for Republican lock — could finish off Dems as national party
January 27, 2017

By Victor Skinner

<..snip..>

But analysis of the current electoral map shows that without California, Republicans would likely retain control over Congress and the White House and the country for the foreseeable future.

Without California, the next POTUS would need 242 Electoral College votes to win, which would leave Democrats scrambling to pick up several states to make up the difference. For the 2016 election, for example, Democrats would have had to of won both Texas and Florida to claim victory. Or Democrats would have had to pick up a slew of smaller states, like Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and North and South Carolina, in addition to the states Democrat Hillary Clinton took in 2016.

Even with Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio added to the blue column last year, Democrats still would have lost.

Official vote totals show Clinton won the popular vote in the 2016 election by about 2.8 million nationwide, and about 4.2 million of her votes came from California, according to Wikipedia. In other words, without California, Trump would have won both the Electoral College and popular vote in a landslide.

California’s secession would also significantly diminish what’s left of the Democratic Party’s influence in Congress. Currently, 38 Democrats and 14 Republicans represent The Golden State in the U.S. House. Without them, the House would shift to 226 Republicans and 155 Democrats, with two vacant seats, nearly giving the GOP a supermajority

<..snip..>

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/calexit-paves-way-republican-lock-finish-off-dems-national-party/

Thank you..several reasons why any attempt at secession by California would get scotched shorty after it started.....it would kill the Dem Party nationally.
And frankly, the amount of leeches currently living in California could not be sustained by the producers in the state. They need national help. All federal facilities shut down in Cal would weaken it considerably.
Won't happen.

[The_Reader_David]

Let them agree to pay their portion of the *MASSIVE*  Federal Debt and Obligations that their state has run up,   and I will be glad to let them Go. 


Important point.   We must insist that we get a reasonable payment every year until the debt is satisfied,  or else we abrogate the agreement.   


I would not put it past those liberal bastards to agree to pay us then welch on the deal.

That's not the way it would work.  In a peaceful break-up of a country, part of the negotiations is to apportion the obligations of the country between the successor states (cf. the dissolution of Czechoslovakia), in this hypothetical case the United States and the new (Peoples') Republic of California.    Apportioned either per capita or on the basis of gdp, California would get about 1/8 the Federal debt, the remaining United States would bet about 7/8.  They would presumably stuck with 100% of California's unfunded pension obligations.  The new (Peoples') Republic of California would have no debt obligations to the US and vice versa.  California could default on its debt, but that would just destroy the value of the new California peso.

[Doug Loss]

Let them go...but...each county holds its own vote and those with a majority NOT wanting to secede, remain in the Union. Perhaps they'll quit stealing water from Arizona if we cut them loose.

I'm with you on this, but I think the vote should be extended to Oregon and Washington counties too.  And once they leave, the southern border wall should be extended to include Ecotopia (the new country) and their diversion of US water should be ended.  The remaining CA, OR, and WA counties could petition to join existing states or could remain in their own states.  Under such circumstances, I'd lobby my Senators to vote for the exit/expulsion.