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What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« on: January 27, 2017, 04:46:59 pm »
http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/25245-what-trump-s-wall-says-to-the-world

What Trump's Wall Says to the World
27 January 2017
Patrick J. Buchanan

"Something there is that doesn't love a wall," wrote poet Robert Frost in the opening line of "Mending Walls."

And on the American left there is something like revulsion at the idea of the "beautiful wall" President Trump intends to build along the 1,900-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico.

The opposition's arguments are usually rooted in economics or practicality. The wall is unnecessary. It will not stop people from coming illegally. It costs too much.

Yet something deeper is afoot here. The idea of a permanent barrier between our countries goes to the heart of the divide between our two Americas on the most fundamental of questions.

Who are we? What is a nation? What does America stand for?

Those desperate to see the wall built, illegal immigration halted, and those here illegally deported, see the country they grew up in as dying, disappearing, with something strange and foreign taking its place.

It is not only that illegal migrants take jobs from Americans, that they commit crimes, or that so many require subsidized food, welfare, housing, education and health care. It is that they are changing our country. They are changing who we are.

Two decades ago, the Old Right and the neocons engaged in a ferocious debate over what America was and is.

Were we from the beginning a new, unique, separate and identifiable people like the British, French and Germans?

Or was America a new kind of nation, an ideological nation, an invented nation, united by an acceptance of the ideas and ideals of Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln and Dr. King?

The Old Right contended that America existed even before the Revolution, and that this new nation, this new people, wrote its own birth certificate, the Constitution. Before Washington, Madison and Hamilton ever went to Philadelphia, America existed.

What forced the premature birth of the nation — was the Revolution.

We did not become a new nation because we embraced Jefferson's notion about all men being "created equal." We became a new people from our familial break with the Mother Country, described in the declaration as a severing of ties with our "brethren" across the sea who no longer deserved our loyalty or love.

The United States came into being in 1789. The Constitution created the government, the state. But the country already existed.

When the Irish came in the mid-19th century to escape the famine and the Germans to escape Bismarck's Prussia, and the Italians, Jews, Poles, Greeks, Slovaks came to Ellis Island, they were foreigners who became citizens, and then, after a time, Americans.

Not until decades after the Great Migration of 1890-1920, with the common trials of the Depression, World War II and Cold War, were we truly forged again into one united nation and people.

By 1960, almost all of us shared the same heroes and holidays, spoke the same language and cherished the same culture.

What those with memories of that America see happening today is the disintegration of our nation of yesterday. The savagery of our politics, exemplified in the last election, testifies to how Americans are coming to detest one another as much as the Valley Forge generation came to detest the British from whom they broke free.

In 1960, we were a Western Christian country. Ninety percent of our people traced their roots to Europe. Ninety percent bore some connection to the Christian faith. To the tens of millions for whom Trump appeals, what the wall represents is our last chance to preserve that nation and people.

To many on the cosmopolitan left, ethnic or national identity is not only not worth fighting for, it is not even worth preserving. It is a form of atavistic tribalism or racism.

The Trump wall then touches on the great struggle of our age.

Given that 80 percent of all people of color vote Democratic, neither the Trump movement nor the Republican Party can survive the Third Worldization of the United States now written in the cards.

Moreover, with the disintegration of the nation we are seeing, and with talk of the breakup of states like Texas and secession of states like California, how do we survive as one nation and people?

Old Europe never knew mass immigration until the 20th century.

Now, across Europe, center-left and center-right parties are facing massive defections because they are perceived as incapable of coping with the existential threat of the age — the overrunning of the continent from Africa and the Middle East.

President Trump's wall is a statement to the world: This is our country. We decide who comes here. And we will defend our borders.

The crisis of our time is not that some Americans are saying this, but that so many are too paralyzed to say it, or do not care, or embrace what is happening to their country.

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 04:48:59 pm »
Leave it to a Yankee to steamroll his agenda; well-done Trump.

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2017, 02:25:16 am »
Great read.  Thanks for posting @Fishrrman

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President Trump's wall is a statement to the world: This is our country. We decide who comes here. And we will defend our borders.

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2017, 03:03:30 pm »
Anybody have a source that tabulates the many things this guy has done right since being in office for just a week?

It seems to bother a lot of folks who agree with his actions yet do not applaud him for them but instead condemn him for his past actions/words.
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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2017, 05:16:38 pm »
Anybody have a source that tabulates the many things this guy has done right since being in office for just a week?

It seems to bother a lot of folks who agree with his actions yet do not applaud him for them but instead condemn him for his past actions/words.

I don't know of one, but perhaps you could start one here.  A simple two-column, pro/con kind of thing.

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2017, 06:40:37 pm »
I don't know of one, but perhaps you could start one here.  A simple two-column, pro/con kind of thing.

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Seconding. Sort of a companion to @Smokin Joe 's list of promises made. If you need a hand woking out the layout, etc, drop me a PM.
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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2017, 07:24:50 pm »
Anybody have a source that tabulates the many things this guy has done right since being in office for just a week?

It seems to bother a lot of folks who agree with his actions yet do not applaud him for them but instead condemn him for his past actions/words.

@EC
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Preaching to the choir, I think. Some who had been hating on Trump have been willing to give credit where due but the recalcitrant will remain so.

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2017, 07:30:53 pm »
January 20--January 27:

Trump erased all mentions on the White House web site of “climate change.”
Trump issued an Executive order to “ease the burden of Obamacare”
Trump returned the bust of Winston Churchill to the oval office
Trump signed an Executive order withdrawing America from the TPP treaty
Trump issued an Executive order starting the construction of “THE WALL.”
Trump ordered all federal agencies to stop issuing regulations immediately until the rule is reviewed and approved by the new president’s appointed agency head.
Trump issued an Executive order banning funding to foreign pro-abortion groups
Trump imposed a media blackout at the Environmental Protection Agency and barred staff from awarding new contracts or grants
Trump announced a ban on visas from terrorist hotbed countries with inadequate screening
Trump announced the end of “Sanctuary cities” and the defunding of federal funds for any city that chooses to continue breaking the law
Trump announced the hiring of 10,000 new border agents
Trump signed an Executive order demanding the Secretary of Homeland Security publish a weekly list of violent crimes committed by illegal aliens
Trump signed an Executive order freezing the hiring of non-essential federal employees
Trump stopped payment on Obama’s final hour giveaway of $220 million to the Palestinian Authority
Trump used Executive orders to give the go-ahead to the long-stalled Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines
Trump asked for the resignation of the State Department’s senior management team
Trump announced his intention to withdraw From Climate & Environmental Accords Along With UN Funding Cuts of 40%
Trump halted all Obamacare ads
Trump tweeted “The #MarchForLife is so important. To all of you marching -— you have my full support!”
Trump signed an executive order to begin “a great rebuilding of the armed services of the United States”
Trump signed an executive order suspending the US refugee resettlement program for at least 120 days while tough new vetting rules are established

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2017, 07:34:51 pm »
@EC
@Sanguine

Preaching to the choir, I think. Some who had been hating on Trump have been willing to give credit where due but the recalcitrant will remain so.

Endicom, I wasn't suggesting that it would be all in the "pro" column.  Doing it across the board might help to keep us all grounded and honest.

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2017, 07:37:59 pm »
January 20--January 27:

Trump erased all mentions on the White House web site of “climate change.”
Trump issued an Executive order to “ease the burden of Obamacare”
Trump returned the bust of Winston Churchill to the oval office
Trump signed an Executive order withdrawing America from the TPP treaty
Trump issued an Executive order starting the construction of “THE WALL.”
Trump ordered all federal agencies to stop issuing regulations immediately until the rule is reviewed and approved by the new president’s appointed agency head.
Trump issued an Executive order banning funding to foreign pro-abortion groups
Trump imposed a media blackout at the Environmental Protection Agency and barred staff from awarding new contracts or grants
Trump announced a ban on visas from terrorist hotbed countries with inadequate screening
Trump announced the end of “Sanctuary cities” and the defunding of federal funds for any city that chooses to continue breaking the law
Trump announced the hiring of 10,000 new border agents
Trump signed an Executive order demanding the Secretary of Homeland Security publish a weekly list of violent crimes committed by illegal aliens
Trump signed an Executive order freezing the hiring of non-essential federal employees
Trump stopped payment on Obama’s final hour giveaway of $220 million to the Palestinian Authority
Trump used Executive orders to give the go-ahead to the long-stalled Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines
Trump asked for the resignation of the State Department’s senior management team
Trump announced his intention to withdraw From Climate & Environmental Accords Along With UN Funding Cuts of 40%
Trump halted all Obamacare ads
Trump tweeted “The #MarchForLife is so important. To all of you marching -— you have my full support!”
Trump signed an executive order to begin “a great rebuilding of the armed services of the United States”
Trump signed an executive order suspending the US refugee resettlement program for at least 120 days while tough new vetting rules are established

@IsailedawayfromFR

Now, see - that's why we might want to track this stuff.  I didn't read very far, because the first item on the list was done by EPA employees - not Trump, and not for what most of us here would call a good reason.  They were concerned that mentions of climate change would get the programs cut where they were mentioned. 

We need to be honest.  Both #neverTrumpers and #everTrumpers.

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2017, 08:14:58 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Want to copy that over into the Members editorial section as a new thread? @endicom is right - such a list IS useful.

@Sanguine - I'd leave it on. It may or may not have been directly Trump (I've seen both claims), but it certainly was as a result of his presence, no?
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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2017, 08:18:20 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Want to copy that over into the Members editorial section as a new thread? @endicom is right - such a list IS useful.

@Sanguine - I'd leave it on. It may or may not have been directly Trump (I've seen both claims), but it certainly was as a result of his presence, no?

Yes, but the point was (and, I didn't make it very well) that they are hiding programs that support "climate change" crap by deleting the words.  They're not deleting the programs, they're trying to keep them going.  It's not a positive thing.

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2017, 08:56:33 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Want to copy that over into the Members editorial section as a new thread? @endicom is right - such a list IS useful.

@Sanguine - I'd leave it on. It may or may not have been directly Trump (I've seen both claims), but it certainly was as a result of his presence, no?

Absolutely.  I'll leave it to you to decide the most appropriate move.--- But it's not my original composition.

Thanks very much!  @EC

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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2017, 03:13:26 am »
@Right_in_Virginia  @endicom

Done.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,245927.msg1208271.html#msg1208271
Good. That needs to be done.

It also affords an opportunity to see what is of substance and what only appears to be good.

The EPA employees hiding programs that have the same result but no longer mention "Climate Change" is an example of something that will appear to have come from the top and be good, but in actuality is agency employees trying to pull a fast one. (not that that is Trump's fault, but they believe in that 'ends justify the means' stuff, too).
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Re: What Trump's Wall Says to the World (Patrick J. Buchanan)
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2017, 04:39:50 am »
What a disgusting pile of whitewash.

Just one example, Catholics were *not* considered 'Christian' by Protestants for much of our history.