House Republicans to vote on Obamacare repeal

[bilo]

The Republican-led Congress, under pressure from President-elect Donald Trump to act quickly, made the first move toward scrapping the law on Thursday when the Senate voted to instruct key committees to draft legislation by Jan. 27 to repeal it.

The House has set a vote on the measure for Friday afternoon with Democrats expected to oppose it.

http://www.oann.com/u-s-house-republicans-to-vote-on-obamacare-repeal/

[bilo]

All I can say is, thank you!

obamacare has been more devastating to my family and business than anything done by the Rats over the last 8 years.

The sooner this is repealed, whether there is a replacement or not, the sooner insurance companies can start putting together plans to sell in 2018. All the complaints about lost coverage are garbage. Anyone who loses coverage can be enrolled in medicaid.

[libertybele]

All I can say is, thank you!

obamacare has been more devastating to my family and business than anything done by the Rats over the last 8 years.

The sooner this is repealed, whether there is a replacement or not, the sooner insurance companies can start putting together plans to sell in 2018. All the complaints about lost coverage are garbage. Anyone who loses coverage can be enrolled in medicaid.

Cruz proposed a plan back in 2015 and Rand has come up with a plan as well.  Anyway it goes there is going to be a transitional period and insurance companies need to be able to sell their product over states lines opening up competition to help drive down premiums.  What also needs to be avoided is a single payer health plan (national health care) to emerge and take hold.  I haven't read any of Rand's proposal and Cruz's was a brief outline.  Nonetheless, Obamacare needs to be repealed before it can be replaced AND people should NOT be penalized any further for not having mandated healthcare.

[bilo]

Cruz proposed a plan back in 2015 and Rand has come up with a plan as well.  Anyway it goes there is going to be a transitional period and insurance companies need to be able to sell their product over states lines opening up competition to help drive down premiums.  What also needs to be avoided is a single payer health plan (national health care) to emerge and take hold.  I haven't read any of Rand's proposal and Cruz's was a brief outline.  Nonetheless, Obamacare needs to be repealed before it can be replaced AND people should NOT be penalized any further for not having mandated healthcare.

 

This disaster can't be fixed all at once, especially with the Rats fighting to keep it. The first step is end all the taxes and the next step is for Price to eliminate all the rules imposed by HHS. As you point out there are a lot of replacement plans that have been proposed. All the Pubs have to do is pick the best elements and pass them. If the Rats want to filibuster to keep any replacement from being passed, so be it. Let them answer for it in the next election.

[skeeter]

This disaster can't be fixed all at once, especially with the Rats fighting to keep it. The first step is end all the taxes and the next step is for Price to eliminate all the rules imposed by HHS. As you point out there are a lot of replacement plans that have been proposed. All the Pubs have to do is pick the best elements and pass them. If the Rats want to filibuster to keep any replacement from being passed, so be it. Let them answer for it in the next election.

The market can also be opened up without delay for immediate price relief.

And do away with the damn window so we can start shopping policies immediately!

I am in total accord with you on the damage Obamacare has done to my personal finances - my annual out of pocket costs have gone up in excess of $12,000 since ACA was passed.

*&% Obama and the democrats.

[Sanguine]

I'm going to be very surprised if Congress is able to resist the siren calls of the unholy medical/health insurance alliance and actually return health care to individuals.  I'm hoping I'm surprised.

[corbe]

   By Trump's words and tweets the pharmaceuticals have already been informed they drew the short straw, this time, in spite of the millions they give each year in political donations.

[Jazzhead]

A repeal of the ACA without a replacement would be the height of political foolishness.   The ignorance about the ACA and what it does and doesn't do is mindboggling.   The GOP has been given an opportunity to win favor with the public,  it will piss much good will away by repealing the ACA without presenting an alternative to deal with the problems faced by average folks who can't get group coverage through their employers.

The individual mandate should be retained;  it is the straw the stirs the drink, the means by which affordable insurance can be provided by addressing the problem of free riders.   Successful insurance requires the healthy to subsidize the sick, for all to be pooled together to make costs affordable.   

As an expert in such matters,  I am convinced more than ever that the ACA has "good bones", and should be fixed rather than done away with.   More choices, more flexibility for employers, more incentives to get healthy people to participate in a truly affordable and competitive insurance market.  All this can be done within the framework of the individual and employer mandates.  The right fixes can absolutely transform this legislation and make the GOP heroes.   A rush to kill the ACA will bring it political ruin.     

[bilo]

The market can also be opened up without delay for immediate price relief.

And do away with the damn window so we can start shopping policies immediately!

I am in total accord with you on the damage Obamacare has done to my personal finances - my annual out of pocket costs have gone up in excess of $12,000 since ACA was passed.

*&% Obama and the democrats.

I agree with you, ending that stupid window stuff is a great idea. Let people buy the type of product they want.

[Sanguine]

I agree with you, ending that stupid window stuff is a great idea. Let people buy the type of product they want.

Or not -

[bilo]

A repeal of the ACA without a replacement would be the height of political foolishness.   The ignorance about the ACA and what it does and doesn't do is mindboggling.   The GOP has been given an opportunity to win favor with the public,  it will piss much good will away by repealing the ACA without presenting an alternative to deal with the problems faced by average folks who can't get group coverage through their employers.

The individual mandate should be retained;  it is the straw the stirs the drink, the means by which affordable insurance can be provided by addressing the problem of free riders.   Successful insurance requires the healthy to subsidize the sick, for all to be pooled together to make costs affordable.   

As an expert in such matters,  I am convinced more than ever that the ACA has "good bones", and should be fixed rather than done away with.   More choices, more flexibility for employers, more incentives to get healthy people to participate in a truly affordable and competitive insurance market.  All this can be done within the framework of the individual and employer mandates.  The right fixes can absolutely transform this legislation and make the GOP heroes.   A rush to kill the ACA will bring it political ruin.   

Tell that to the employees I had to let go and those that I retained as contractors.

I see this kind of nonsense from those who don't know what it is to run a business.

Also, the totalitarian idea that the govt can force me to buy a product that I don't want has got to end. All the hand wringing about pre-existing conditions is just that "hand wringing". States had high risk pools for individuals who couldn't get coverage, there's no reason they can't be started up again.

Individual liberty requires individual responsibility. If people don't want to buy insurance that's their risk to take.   

[bilo]

Or not -

Exactly right!

If someone doesn't want to buy insurance that should be their choice to make. They should live with the consequences of their decisions. If someone only wants to cover catastrophic events that should be their choice. If some wants everything covered with no deductible that should be their choice. However, it should not be imposed on me and mine.

[HonestJohn]

Tell that to the employees I had to let go and those that I retained as contractors.

I see this kind of nonsense from those who don't know what it is to run a business.

Also, the totalitarian idea that the govt can force me to buy a product that I don't want has got to end. All the hand wringing about pre-existing conditions is just that "hand wringing". States had high risk pools for individuals who couldn't get coverage, there's no reason they can't be started up again.

Individual liberty requires individual responsibility. If people don't want to buy insurance that's their risk to take.

The whole point of Obamacare was that there are people in America that make too little to afford health care and did not have the sort of job that would provide it as a benefit.

They were to be covered by subsidies by the government for policies whose costs were made lower by the fact that everyone would have to have health insurance, allowing the insurance companies to spread the costs to a larger pool of payers.

Health insurance isn't like bubble gum that you buy for a dime.  It's a significant cost that many couldn't... and still can't, afford.

[Smokin Joe]

All I can say is, thank you!

obamacare has been more devastating to my family and business than anything done by the Rats over the last 8 years.

The sooner this is repealed, whether there is a replacement or not, the sooner insurance companies can start putting together plans to sell in 2018. All the complaints about lost coverage are garbage. Anyone who loses coverage can be enrolled in medicaid.

Nope. Medicaid turned me down (I only tried to avoid the penalty when my insurance carrier shut down their health plans).

[Sanguine]

So, @Smokin Joe and @bilo, we are now in a situation where people who lose their health care plans can't go into medicaid because they make too much money, and those who lose their health care plans and do qualify for medicaid are going into a plan that has a worse outcome, healthwise, than not having any insurance, and those who do get to enroll in the plan pay to subsidize those who can't afford to pay the exorbitant prices of their new plans?

 

How can anyone, except for those who are being subsidized, think it's a good thing?  And, I haven't even mentioned jobs and the economy.

[Hondo69]

Just think, prior to ObamaCare tweaks to the healthcare system would have been relatively easy to make.

Now we have to perform the trick of dismantling a leviathan first.

[Sanguine]

Just think, prior to ObamaCare tweaks to the healthcare system would have been relatively easy to make.

Now we have to perform the trick of dismantling a leviathan first.

And, that's exactly what the SOBs were counting on.

[skeeter]

The whole point of Obamacare was that there are people in America that make too little to afford health care and did not have the sort of job that would provide it as a benefit.

They were to be covered by subsidies by the government for policies whose costs were made lower by the fact that everyone would have to have health insurance, allowing the insurance companies to spread the costs to a larger pool of payers.

Health insurance isn't like bubble gum that you buy for a dime.  It's a significant cost that many couldn't... and still can't, afford.

So the answer is to make it affordable for some by making far less affordable for a great many more. Brilliant.

[Hondo69]

Reagan said: The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

I'd like to add 5 others: "As determined by the Secretary".

[beandog]

The whole point of Obamacare was that there are people in America that make too little to afford health care and did not have the sort of job that would provide it as a benefit.

They were to be covered by subsidies by the government for policies whose costs were made lower by the fact that everyone would have to have health insurance, allowing the insurance companies to spread the costs to a larger pool of payers.

Health insurance isn't like bubble gum that you buy for a dime.  It's a significant cost that many couldn't... and still can't, afford.

The point of Obamacare was to steal from some people to give it to other people.  Unfortunately there are too many people that think they're entitled to other peoples money.  We have become an entitlement society.

[Hondo69]

When do I get my money back?

[beandog]

When do I get my money back?

Didn't you know.  It's not your money it's everybody's money.  We just let you use a little bit of it for yourself.  See how generous we are.

[truth_seeker]

Well it was nice to see some of the "true colors" of people that I have called phony conservatives (actually liberals) come out clearly in the open.

"Experts," for all to see.

I do not claim to be an expert, but in the 1980's I helped design a flexible employee benefit plan for #136 on Fortune 500). We gave employees choices, for the type of health insurance they received, or none.

Freedom. Not mandates and entitlements.

Obama care has driven up medical costs by a lot. It has stipulated that policies cover things that people don't need. It has caused employers to drop company provided health insurance, and give people raises and tell them to get their own insurance, or pay the fines, etc.

People that went on Obama care policies, learn they get stuck with crappy doctors, and have astronomical deductibles.

All in all, it has been a massive failure.  And let us not forget the lies told, to pass it.

--Save $2500 per year.
--Keep your plan.
--Keep your doctor.

Medical Insurance companies have been massively disrupted.
The health care/medical industry has been massively disrupted.

And at the end of the day, nationalized government involved health care is socialism.

Equal mediocrity enforced by big, inefficient costly government.

   

[HonestJohn]

So the answer is to make it affordable for some by making far less affordable for a great many more. Brilliant.

I didn't say it was good.

I was addressing the poster who implied that people deserved to suffer when they didn't buy insurance, because it was their "choice".