Durbin: More States Should Sign on to End Run Around Electoral College

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Durbin: More States Should Sign on to End Run Around Electoral College
By Bridget Johnson December 27, 2016

WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) vowed last week to spend the new year and new Congress pushing for a “one person, one vote” scrapping of the electoral college.

Durbin acknowledges this won't come easily with a Republican House, Senate and White House, so he's hoping a state-by-state workaround does the trick.

By the time the last votes in the presidential election were counted this month, Hillary Clinton had 65,844,610, nearly as many as President Obama received in 2012, compared to Donald Trump’s 62,979,636, making the final gap 2,864,974 votes. Other candidates received 7,804,213 votes.

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Durbin: More States Should Sign on to End Run Around Electoral College
By Bridget Johnson December 27, 2016

WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) vowed last week to spend the new year and new Congress pushing for a “one person, one vote” scrapping of the electoral college.

Durbin acknowledges this won't come easily with a Republican House, Senate and White House, so he's hoping a state-by-state workaround does the trick.

By the time the last votes in the presidential election were counted this month, Hillary Clinton had 65,844,610, nearly as many as President Obama received in 2012, compared to Donald Trump’s 62,979,636, making the final gap 2,864,974 votes. Other candidates received 7,804,213 votes.

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I'm tempted to use a few of my Amazon Rewards points, and send a copy to the Senator.

[txradioguy]

Ahhh yes Little Dick Durbin trying yet again to turn us into a Mobocracy.

Like a typical Progressive he cares little for the Constitution and the reason things were put in there the way they were.

All he cares about is retaining power and doing his level best to transform us into a Socialist Utopia.

[geronl]

Most states are run by Republicans these days, those are the ones you have to keep an eye on. Look at how the squishes in the Arixona legislature supported this crap

[Cyber Liberty]

Just about everything in politics follows Newtonian physics...every action has an equal and opposite reaction.  Harry Reid messing with the Filibuster eventually benefits the Republicans, for example, as the Dems are about to find out.  Wasserman-Shultz helped the Republicans when it was uncovered she had cheated to help Hillary win the Primaries.  The only reason DWS was in that job was to get Hillary nominated for President.

This idea of skirting the EC is one of the extremely rare exceptions.  This will always, always, always redound to the benefit of leftists because it concentrates power in the urban enclaves.  They are leftist by design because anybody with half a brain has already vacated these places.  Mayor Coleman Young used to laugh about "White Flight" in Detroit because, to him, it was nothing but good news that all these whities left.  He didn't care that it impoverished the city, the State of Michigan was run by Dems so he could always count on a bailout.

[txradioguy]

Most states are run by Republicans these days, those are the ones you have to keep an eye on. Look at how the squishes in the Arixona legislature supported this crap

Bu as we've seen before...the Libs will run to the courts...which even in the Red States...are still packed with Obama appointees.

[bigheadfred]

I think durbin would look good with a flagpole run up his end.

[Cyber Liberty]

Bu as we've seen before...the Libs will run to the courts...which even in the Red States...are still packed with Obama appointees.

The leftists have spent decades stacking the deck against us...it will take time and perseverance to get this straightened out, all the while the screaming will get ever louder.

[Cripplecreek]

Most states are run by Republicans these days, those are the ones you have to keep an eye on. Look at how the squishes in the Arixona legislature supported this crap

Personally I think we can count on the electoral college being a memory in our lifetimes.

Just 4 years ago Donald Trump was calling the electoral college a disaster and wanting a march on Washington. We all know damn well that if Trump were saying the same today his pets would obediently be chanting it right along with him.

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Personally I think we can count on the electoral college being a memory in our lifetimes.

Just 4 years ago Donald Trump was calling the electoral college a disaster and wanting a march on Washington. We all know damn well that if Trump were saying the same today his pets would obediently be chanting it right along with him.

When a pictorial edition of "The Constitution for Dummies" is published, I'll send a copy to him.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Any end-around can be stopped at the state level by various means.


This is just not that important an issue to people other than liberals.

[driftdiver]

Personally I think we can count on the electoral college being a memory in our lifetimes.

Just 4 years ago Donald Trump was calling the electoral college a disaster and wanting a march on Washington. We all know damn well that if Trump were saying the same today his pets would obediently be chanting it right along with him.

@Cripplecreek

Perhaps, although if they do it on a state by state basis it really wont be any different.   Californias votes would still go to the democrat. 

Our nation is under attack from within.  The electoral college movement is just one piece of it.  IMO.

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@Cripplecreek

Perhaps, although if they do it on a state by state basis it really wont be any different.   Californias votes would still go to the democrat. 

Our nation is under attack from within.  The electoral college movement is just one piece of it.  IMO.

Personally, I think is just a momentary blip. Consider the "plans" for a Convention of States that have been going on for years.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cripplecreek

Perhaps, although if they do it on a state by state basis it really wont be any different.   Californias votes would still go to the democrat. 

Our nation is under attack from within.  The electoral college movement is just one piece of it.  IMO.

Using just this election as an example, my state of AZ, which cast it's electoral votes for Trump, would have instead cast the 11 votes for Clinton because California told us to.  I used to be confident the SCOTUS would throw out such a scheme as it rubbishes the voters of this state in favor of the voters in another state (in violation of the 14th Amendment), but these days I have no idea.  It seems the SCOTUS always finds as is required to forward the leftist agenda.

[driftdiver]

Personally, I think is just a momentary blip. Consider the "plans" for a Convention of States that have been going on for years.

@Night Hides Not

I would hope you're correct but we've been moving steadily left for decades.  Most of this countries children don't have an understanding of what freedom is.   Our education system has made sure they think the govt is the supreme power.   There are a lot of the worlds powerful which view democracy as a problem and are working to wrest the power away from the people.

Consider Bernie Ecclestone who is the Chief Executive of Formula 1 racing.  A big Putin supporter and a very well connected billionaire.  He has stated publically "“I don’t think there’s any place for democracy, first of all.”"

 and

On being a successful 'dictator': “I think, if you can get people to, more or less, fall in line with what you’re trying to do and support you, then it seems like democracy.”

and

On the USA: “I'm not very enthusiastic about America, so… The biggest problem with them is that they believe they're greatest sort of power in the world. And it’s difficult, because, they are a big island, so they are a bit isolated; they are slowly starting to learn what other people in the world do.”

and

"In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people able to get things done."  He went on to say Hitler wasn't a good dictator "In the end he got lost so he wasn't a very good dictator."

Now you may say who cares what this schmuck says, and thats a great question.  This schmuck is someone who attends the Bilderberg meetings and is connected with the rich and powerful of the world.   Those people like Soros who are pulling strings at the UN and in our Govt.   

[driftdiver]

Using just this election as an example, my state of AZ, which cast it's electoral votes for Trump, would have instead cast the 11 votes for Clinton because California told us to.  I used to be confident the SCOTUS would throw out such a scheme as it rubbishes the voters of this state in favor of the voters in another state (in violation of the 14th Amendment), but these days I have no idea.  It seems the SCOTUS always finds as is required to forward the leftist agenda.

@Cyber Liberty

I must have misunderstood what they were trying to do.  Could they get enough states to go along with this plan?   They really probably only need to get about 5 states to do it.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Using just this election as an example, my state of AZ, which cast it's electoral votes for Trump, would have instead cast the 11 votes for Clinton because California told us to.  I used to be confident the SCOTUS would throw out such a scheme as it rubbishes the voters of this state in favor of the voters in another state (in violation of the 14th Amendment), but these days I have no idea.  It seems the SCOTUS always finds as is required to forward the leftist agenda.

States can allocate their electoral votes however they want.


Whether the pact is legally binding is another question entirely.

[bigheadfred]

@driftdiver

On the USA: “I'm not very enthusiastic about America, so… The biggest problem with them is that they believe they're greatest sort of power in the world. And it’s difficult, because, they are a big island, so they are a bit isolated; they are slowly starting to learn what other people in the world do.”

Like the mess in the EU. Venezuela. North Korea. China. Russia. Slowly we see.

[geronl]

@Cripplecreek

Perhaps, although if they do it on a state by state basis it really wont be any different.   Californias votes would still go to the democrat. 

Imagine a state has vowed to give their electoral votes to the popular vote winner, not the winner of their state. This is what they are passing in various states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

This legislation is pending in Michigan an Virginia.

It's already passed in CA, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, DC, Wash state, Mass, Vermont, Maryland, Hawaii and R.I.

(It only comes into force when enough states pass it that it can alter an election)

[Cripplecreek]

Imagine a state has vowed to give their electoral votes to the popular vote winner, not the winner of their state. This is what they are passing in various states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

This legislation is pending in Michigan an Virginia.

It's already passed in CA, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, DC, Wash state, Mass, Vermont, Maryland, Hawaii and R.I.

(It only comes into force when enough states pass it that it can alter an election)

I read the legislation here in Michigan a few years back. The state could opt out 6 months prior to an election. (If it looked like the democrats faced a tough election they could use the old rules and make the republican win the hard way)

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

I must have misunderstood what they were trying to do.  Could they get enough states to go along with this plan?   They really probably only need to get about 5 states to do it.

@driftdiver Look at Geronl's post #18, there's a link to exactly what this Compact is about. 

[Cyber Liberty]

States can allocate their electoral votes however they want.


Whether the pact is legally binding is another question entirely.

I don't know if a state can choose to allocate the EVs based upon how another state votes.   If it's "Anything goes" then sure, but what were all the lawsuits about back in November-December 2000?  There were 14th Amendment questions concerning "equal representation."

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I read the legislation here in Michigan a few years back. The state could opt out 6 months prior to an election. (If it looked like the democrats faced a tough election they could use the old rules and make the republican win the hard way)

Heads they win tails we lose. Lovely. 

[catfish1957]

Hell with IL for keeping electing the Sen. who most uses the constitution for toilet paper.

[skeeter]

Hell with IL for keeping electing the Sen. who most uses the constitution for toilet paper.

This is what this sack of s**t swore when he joined the Senate -

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."