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Remains found in Arizona identified as soldier who went AWOL from Ft. Bliss
By Michele Katz| December 16th, 2016|Military News, U.S. Army|0 Comments

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Human remains found 6 months ago, have been identified as an Army private who was looking forward to his upcoming honorable discharge from a Texas military base.  Devon Lee Ward was a private second class based at Fort Bliss, according to KGET.

The website missingveterans.com had previously reported that Ward was last seen around 3AM on May 25, when he signed into his barracks. After he was reported missing, friends and family took to social media to plead for anyone to help find him.

KFOX-TV reported at the time, that the 20-year-old soldier was a month away from being discharged. His mother told the local station that her son had “mild Asperger’s Syndrome and autism spectrum disorder.” He’d apparently been battling mild depression around the time he went missing.

http://popularmilitary.com/remains-found-arizona-indetified-soldier-went-awol-ft-bliss/
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I hope we can find out more to the story. Prayers for the affected.

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Remains found in Arizona identified as soldier who went AWOL from Ft. Bliss
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Human remains found 6 months ago, have been identified as an Army private who was looking forward to his upcoming honorable discharge from a Texas military base.  Devon Lee Ward was a private second class based at Fort Bliss, according to KGET.



"Private Second Class"??????

There ain't no such critter.

Hard to believe he just wandered off into the desert all by himself after being seen in the barracks at 3 AM.
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"Private Second Class"??????

There ain't no such critter.
Indeed. A very poorly written article.

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With all due respect to this young man:

I'm guesstimating the distance from Fort Bliss, El Paso Tx. area across New Mexico to Cochise county could be, oh, 150-200 miles, so possible to walk and then, to find a coal mine.  It's all kind of makes me wonder a bit but yes, seems possible.  Of course, he could have gone there in other ways.

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"On June 27, deputies with the Cochise County Sheriff’s Office discovered Ward’s remains in an Arizona coal chute. The deputies said they found “bones and body parts in the coal” at the Apache Generating Station. It’s unclear how long Ward’s body was in the chute, but deputies reported that his remains were in “an advanced state of decomposition.”

And if I have this correct, he left May 25th but found on June 27th with that "advanced state of decomposition", so, to me, that makes going there on foot a bit questionable. What would a person walk a day? 25 miles maybe? This story has a lot of questions to it.

His family must be heart broken, my condolences.
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"Private Second Class"??????

There ain't no such critter.

Hard to believe he just wandered off into the desert all by himself after being seen in the barracks at 3 AM.


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There are 13 enlisted ranks in the U.S. Army: Private, Private Second Class, Private First Class, Specialist, Corporal, Sergeant, Staff Sergeant, Sergeant First Class, Master Sergeant, First Sergeant, Sergeant Major, Command Sergeant Major, and Sergeant Major of the Army.

http://www.military.com/army/enlisted-ranks.html


https://www.military-ranks.org/army/private-second-class


https://www.federalpay.org/military/army/private-second-class

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_(rank)#United_States_Army

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It would seem that as a matter of addressing a PV2, they are still addressed as Private, not Private 2nd Class. It is not until they are promoted to PFC that their title changes, but none the less there is a PV2 designation, if I understand correctly, having more to do with pay grade.



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With all due respect to this young man:

I'm guesstimating the distance from Fort Bliss, El Paso Tx. area across New Mexico to Cochise county could be, oh, 150-200 miles, so possible to walk and then, to find a coal mine. 

Not without water,a hat,long sleeve clothing,and good boots it's not. Unless I am mistaken,it is dry desert country.
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http://www.military.com/army/enlisted-ranks.html


https://www.military-ranks.org/army/private-second-class


https://www.federalpay.org/military/army/private-second-class

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_(rank)#United_States_Army

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It would seem that as a matter of addressing a PV2, they are still addressed as Private, not Private 2nd Class. It is not until they are promoted to PFC that their title changes, but none the less there is a PV2 designation, if I understand correctly, having more to do with pay grade.

You are a Private E-1 when you enlist. You become a Private E-2 after you graduate from basic training. You don't become a PFC (Private First Class) until you have accomplished something to show your worth. Not that it requires much more than a pulse and no court-martials.

As for some of the other "ranks" you listed,they aren't ranks. They are job titles. Sergeant Majors are all E-9's,CSM's and even the SGM of the Army are all the same rank. They just have different responsibilities. Just like E-4 Specialists 4th Class and E-4 Corporals. They have the same rank,but different responsibilities and status. Not that you see many Corporals in the US Army these days. When you do see one it is because he was a sergeant that got busted back down to E-4. The army decided to take his money,but keep him in the same position,which is a troop leadership position.

BTW,it is the same thing with Master Sergeant and 1st Sergeant. Generally speaking they are both E-8's,but I have seen a few E-7 1st Sgts,and even know of one E-6 1st Sgt. The E-6 and E-7 1st Sgts didn't get busted down from E-8,they just got the job because they had the troop leadership experience and they were there.
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In my time the terminology used would have been "Private E2" but it does not really matter, when compared to the story.

The young soldier with depression and Aspergers died. He probably didn't have a place in the services, but I could be wrong.

He volunteered to serve his country, which is a lot more than most of the snowflake "feelings" generation.

   
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Re: Remains found in Arizona identified as soldier who went AWOL from Ft. Bliss
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2016, 09:28:43 pm »
Valid point,  t_s. However badly written the story,  the fact remains that a family is grieving its soldier son.

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Re: Remains found in Arizona identified as soldier who went AWOL from Ft. Bliss
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2016, 09:38:56 pm »


The young soldier with depression and Aspergers died. He probably didn't have a place in the services, but I could be wrong.

 

@truth_seeker

I don't know how many people who have Asperger's or Autism serve,but I do know of one that did.  Namely,me.

While I think it can be safely said that neither is something you would wish for,both diagnoses cover a VERY broad range of abilities and disabilities that range from drooling fools to geniuses,and everything in-between. Even the people we laughingly call "normal". Sometimes even the "drooling fools" are geniuses if you can manage to get and hold their attention long enough to get them interested in something. Nobody can ever be certain of what is going on inside someone else's mind. We just base our judgements on what we can see or hear.

 The wide range is probably because the medical and psychiatric fields wanted more funding,and the broader the problem the more money that flows in to "cure" it.   

I do admit that when taking the broad view,my own Autism is VERY mild. It would have been pretty hard to convince me of that back when I was in the 3rd grade though,and nobody had even heard of it. I'd sometimes come home from school with my neck so stiff from holding it rigid that I wouldn't be able to turn my head,and it wasn't easy to muffle the grunts,either. I  usually did that with a lot of throat clearings. Also,I don't remember having any problems with it until the 3rd grade,and for some reason by the time I was in the 5th grade the flinches and grunts had mostly gone away. It's something I have mostly been able to ignore since then because it happens so rarely and doesn't seem to last long at a time.

Asperger's was a different problem. When I was in the 5th grade the teachers were wanting to send me to high school,but my parents wouldn't let them. Later in life my mother told me it was because they were worried that the bigger and older kids would beat me up. Too bad she didn't know I was beating up all the bullies in elementary school by the time I was in the 3rd grade.

The biggest problem I have seen with Asperger's is the lack of social skills. Not that they can't be learned if you are also a sociopath and want to be accepted,but because I mostly didn't really give a damn if anybody liked me or not,and was never even the tiniest bit shy about telling someone I didn't like to go away and leave me alone.

Being "smart" and having zero social skills is not a lot of fun while in school,but it sure didn't hurt me in the army. All they cared about is "Will you do the job we give you to the best of your ability",and for someone with Asperger's it's hard to NOT do the best job you can do. We tend to be more than a little anal.
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Re: Remains found in Arizona identified as soldier who went AWOL from Ft. Bliss
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2016, 09:53:56 pm »
Not without water,a hat,long sleeve clothing,and good boots it's not. Unless I am mistaken,it is dry desert country.

I agree; but somehow he made it from point A to point B. In late May, it is still late spring. We'll have to see and I would not rule out foul play either though it seems unlikely.

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Re: Remains found in Arizona identified as soldier who went AWOL from Ft. Bliss
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2016, 10:02:50 pm »
@truth_seeker

I don't know how many people who have Asperger's or Autism serve,but I do know of one that did.  Namely,me.

Being "smart" and having zero social skills is not a lot of fun while in school,but it sure didn't hurt me in the army. All they cared about is "Will you do the job we give you to the best of your ability",and for someone with Asperger's it's hard to NOT do the best job you can do. We tend to be more than a little anal.

Thanks for your service. It is great that you found a home, in the military.  My family and my wife's family value military service very much.

It is my belief that much that seems wrong with our younger people, could be helped by service. (At least the way the service once was.) I don't know how much they have bought into the "feelings" bull.

Good military leaders, are the best. My uncle was a career Army officer, gave me some excellent advice after my father died. His service spanned WWII, Korea and Vietnam (2-3 tours). Retired as LTC since he lacked a four year degree. He had a quirky personality, and many people didn't like him because I think they didn't try to understand him.

He didn't drink, so he studied and made art, photography etc. Carved beautiful rifle stocks, for example. When finally retired he and his wife visited archeology sites, and hung with the students on the digs.
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Re: Remains found in Arizona identified as soldier who went AWOL from Ft. Bliss
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2016, 11:15:57 pm »
I agree; but somehow he made it from point A to point B. In late May, it is still late spring. We'll have to see and I would not rule out foul play either though it seems unlikely.

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I agree. At this point,given his emotional problems,I am GUESSING suicide.
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Re: Remains found in Arizona identified as soldier who went AWOL from Ft. Bliss
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2016, 11:17:44 pm »

He didn't drink, so he studied and made art, photography etc. Carved beautiful rifle stocks, for example. When finally retired he and his wife visited archeology sites, and hung with the students on the digs.

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AFAIK,I didn't know your uncle,but I sure do envy the life he led after retiring.
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