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Offline SirLinksALot

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SOURCE: INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY

URL: http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-is-right-millions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/



Not surprisingly, the media take seriously and support Jill Stein's and Hillary Clinton's excellent vote-recount adventure, despite there being no indication a recount is needed. Heck, even President Obama agrees — Donald Trump won, period. But when Trump dares to suggest in a Sunday tweet that illegal aliens voted in the election, the media respond with massive denial.

"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," Trump tweeted to the barely concealed contempt of many in the media.

Typical was the utterly dismissive headline in The Nation, the flagship publication of the progressive movement: "The President-Elect Is An Internet Troll."

The Washington Post's "The Fix" blog site did a little better: "Donald Trump's new explanation for losing the popular vote? A Twitter-born conspiracy theory."

There are many more, too many to put here. Most follow the same theme: Trump foolishly followed the faulty analysis of Gregg Phillips of True The Vote, an online anti-voter-fraud site and app. Phillips estimates that illegals cast three million votes in the 2016 election. He's wrong, say the media. Heck, even the liberal fact-checking site FactCheck.org says so.

But, in fact, it's almost certain that illegals did vote — and in significant numbers. Whether it was three million or not is another question.

While states control the voter registration process, some states are so notoriously slipshod in their controls (California, Virginia and New York — all of which have political movements to legalize voting by noncitizens — come to mind) that it would be shocking if many illegals didn't vote. Remember, a low-ball estimate says there are at least 11 million to 12 million illegals in the U.S., but that's based on faulty Census data. More likely estimates put the number at 20 million to 30 million.

What's disappointing is that instead of at least seriously considering Trump's charge, many media reports merely parrot leftist talking points and anti-Trump rhetoric by pushing the idea that Republicans and others not of the progressive left who seek to limit voting to citizens only are racist, xenophobic nuts.

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

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Then we need a recount in every state. Maybe a whole new election.

Oceander

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"Likely", "probably," "maybe" are all namby-pamby for "we haven't bothered to do the hard work of gathering data."

I don't necessarily disagree with the conclusions, but until data can be put up, those who make these claims simply look like kooks and make it that much harder to build up the political will needed to make changes. 

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See this is where you think Trump is helping this cause, but he's actually hurting it. Because he conducts himself so badly, people dismiss it as just another Trumptantrum, tweeting like a nutcase and moron.


Or are you too stupid to realize that?

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It can't be proven but then, it can't be dis-proven either.

So one can speculate, honest or dishonest voting?

This really plays into the last two elections too; did Obama win both of those? Debatable.

https://emsnews.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/were-the-obama-election-results-fraud-how-many-illegal-aliens-voted/#comments

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Trump as President will have the bully pulpit, to elevate the issue of illegal voting, by immigrants, dead people, multiple ballots, etc.

Nobody has had the guts to do it in my memory.
"God must love the common man, he made so many of them.�  Abe Lincoln

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Trump as President will have the bully pulpit, to elevate the issue of illegal voting, by immigrants, dead people, multiple ballots, etc.

Nobody has had the guts to do it in my memory.


He'll actually have the opposite effect IMO. He trivializes the issues because he's sound like a moron.

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Donny is right on this issue and I think it is a grand time to expose the fact. The Left has been bragging about doing this for years and Obama made comments defending illegals ability to vote this election.

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Then we need a recount in every state. Maybe a whole new election.

Exactly!  These illegal voters voted for Trump.

I mean, Trump did say that "Mexicans love me!" when he ate that taco bowl.

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"Likely", "probably," "maybe" are all namby-pamby for "we haven't bothered to do the hard work of gathering data."

Actually, they have gathered data.  A lot of it.  But realistically, they have to extrapolate the data they reviewed to the country at large using sampling/statistical models.  And there are inherent uncertainties that can't be resolved in every instance.  that shouldn't mean you don't try and fix the problem to reduce illegal voting in the future.

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"Likely", "probably," "maybe" are all namby-pamby for "we haven't bothered to do the hard work of gathering data."

I don't necessarily disagree with the conclusions, but until data can be put up, those who make these claims simply look like kooks and make it that much harder to build up the political will needed to make changes.

Your statement probably looks likely to be a good judgement call on this... maybe.

But your forgot "possibly", too.
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