Trump falsely claims 'millions of people who voted illegally' cost him popular vote

[bolobaby]

Washington (CNN)President-elect Donald Trump alleged Sunday, without evidence, that "millions of people" voted illegally for Hillary Clinton and otherwise he would have won the popular vote. It's an unprecedented allegation by a president-elect.

Trump won the Electoral College and thus the White House, but the Democratic nominee leads him in the popular vote by about two million ballots.

"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," Trump tweeted.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/

[bolobaby]

This article kind of sickens me.

Sure, Trump is an ass for making a rather loaded claim, but any article that starts off like this...

"President-elect Donald Trump alleged Sunday, without evidence..."

...and offers NO evidence themselves that what he says isn't true is a joke.

That's the tricky thing about secret ballots. Even if we knew that 10 million illegals voted, we would have no way of knowing they voted for Trump or Clinton.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

This article kind of sickens me.

Sure, Trump is an ass for making a rather loaded claim, but any article that starts off like this...

"President-elect Donald Trump alleged Sunday, without evidence..."

...and offers NO evidence themselves that what he says isn't true is a joke.

That's the tricky thing about secret ballots. Even if we knew that 10 million illegals voted, we would have no way of knowing they voted for Trump or Clinton.

Trump made the claim, it's up to Trump to prove it. Impossible to prove a negative.

[skeeter]

This article kind of sickens me.

Sure, Trump is an ass for making a rather loaded claim, but any article that starts off like this...

"President-elect Donald Trump alleged Sunday, without evidence..."

...and offers NO evidence themselves that what he says isn't true is a joke.

That's the tricky thing about secret ballots. Even if we knew that 10 million illegals voted, we would have no way of knowing they voted for Trump or Clinton.

Waiting to hear one MSM source similarly lead off a story about the recount being initiated by the Green Party.

[TomSea]

As said in the other thread, as long as we have such a weak voter ID system, one can make such a claim.

Proving a negative? Oh, yeah, we depend on people, especially those who aren't from our country to be on their honor.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

As said in the other thread, as long as we have such a weak voter ID system, one can make such a claim.

Proving a negative? Oh, yeah, we depend on people, especially those who aren't from our country to be on their honor.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for evidence to go with such a wild claim.

[r9etb]

Impossible to prove a negative.

Can you prove that statement? 

[Oceander]

As said in the other thread, as long as we have such a weak voter ID system, one can make such a claim.

Proving a negative? Oh, yeah, we depend on people, especially those who aren't from our country to be on their honor.

One can claim the Moon is made of green cheese.  That doesn't make it so.  If this is happening in the numbers Trump claims then he had better have evidence that justifies that claim.  So far he hasn't presented it, so he looks less than truthful. 

[TomSea]

Voter monitoring group said 3 million illegals voted.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/24630-vote-fraud-monitoring-group-says-three-million-noncitizens-voted-in-presidential-election

[TomSea]

One can claim the Moon is made of green cheese.  That doesn't make it so.  If this is happening in the numbers Trump claims then he had better have evidence that justifies that claim.  So far he hasn't presented it, so he looks less than truthful.

Voter monitoring group says so.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/24630-vote-fraud-monitoring-group-says-three-million-noncitizens-voted-in-presidential-election

Really, I don't see conservatives doubting voter fraud going on.

[skeeter]

One can claim the Moon is made of green cheese.  That doesn't make it so.  If this is happening in the numbers Trump claims then he had better have evidence that justifies that claim.  So far he hasn't presented it, so he looks less than truthful.

Well, this administration gave social security numbers to hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens, and several states provide illegals drivers licenses. Obama even promised illegals they wouldn't be prosecuted if caught voting.

So, while no solid proof exists that illegals participated in the election its pretty safe to assume that very many did.

[Oceander]

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So, while no solid proof exists that illegals participated in the election its pretty safe to assume that very many did.

Thanks for the money quote.  Getting the proof will be difficult, I grant that, but without it the claims that millions voted are specious and only serve to distract from the issue. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Voter monitoring group says so.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/24630-vote-fraud-monitoring-group-says-three-million-noncitizens-voted-in-presidential-election

Really, I don't see conservatives doubting voter fraud going on.

How do you know that's correct? If they have a database of illegal voters, why aren't they handing it over to the authorities to arrest them?

[skeeter]

Thanks for the money quote.  Getting the proof will be difficult, I grant that, but without it the claims that millions voted are specious and only serve to distract from the issue.

I would've thought so too, but I've been so wrong about how this guy is perceived by many average people from the start I won't make that assumption.

In fact, if the recent past is any indication Trump's comments will probably finally provoke public attention to the subject of institutionalized voter fraud.

[bolobaby]

Trump made the claim, it's up to Trump to prove it. Impossible to prove a negative.

Ah, but here's the thing - there *is* some evidence of voter fraud. For example...

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/26/election-fraud-complaint-filed-people-voted-total-voters-4-wisconsin-precincts.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

And that's just three easy links off google.

[bolobaby]

How do you know that's correct? If they have a database of illegal voters, why aren't they handing it over to the authorities to arrest them?

Dude, in many places, they don't arrest illegals for being illegal.

[skeeter]

Dude, in many places, they don't arrest illegals for being illegal.

Is there any place in this nation where they do?

[HonestJohn]

Actually, the only people who voted for Trump were illegals.

Source: I don't need no steeenkin' sources!

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There, my claim is as valid as Trump's.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Trump made the claim, it's up to Trump to prove it. Impossible to prove a negative.

Had CNN said that Trump's claims were "unproven", you'd be right.  But they actually said Trump's claims were false, and that's an assertion that requires evidence of its own.

[skeeter]

Had CNN said that Trump's claims were "unproven", you'd be right.  But they actually said Trump's claims were false, and that's an assertion that requires evidence of its own.

This is nuts.

Trump made the claim in response to a plan to recount votes in several states, which would imply fraud, for which there is no evidence. He's not the one asking for a recount. Shouldn't we be at least as critical of the goofballs actually seeking to gain some kind of political advantage from their unsubstantiated claims than we are of Trump typically shooting from the hip?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

This is nuts.

Trump made the claim in response to a plan to recount votes in several states, which would imply fraud, for which there is no evidence. He's not the one asking for a recount. Shouldn't we be at least as critical of the goofballs actually seeking to gain some kind of political advantage from their unsubstantiated claims than we are of Trump typically shooting from the hip?

Trump is a dope. He doesn't like the recount so he claims that millions are fraudulently voting. That is stupid.

[skeeter]

Trump is a dope. He doesn't like the recount so he claims that millions are fraudulently voting. That is stupid.

Yeah probably, but IMO b*tching about it and not the recount equates to straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Can you prove that statement?

Heh, heh, heh.