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Gays can be reformed, just like arsonists, Trump’s new domestic policy adviser has said

By Amy Ellis Nutt November 19
Ken Blackwell, tapped last week by President-elect Donald Trump to head domestic policy during the businessman's transition to the White House, has made anti-LGBT statements for years. Among them: Homosexuality is a sin, and gay people, just like petty thieves and fire-setters, can be rehabilitated.

The Ohio politician has long endorsed a controversial mental health practice known as conversion therapy or reparative therapy. The goal is to cure a person of his or her homosexuality, and in the case of transgender people, to reaffirm the gender into which they were born.

In the past, treatments have included everything from inducing vomiting to using mild electric shock while patients viewed homoerotic images. Since the 1990s, however, the therapy has been denounced by many medical and scientific societies and even outlawed in a handful of states. In 2015, the Obama administration expressed disapproval of the practice after Leelah Alcorn, a 17-year-old transgender teen in Ohio, took her life after being forced by her parents to undergo conversion counseling.

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Mr. Blackwell.

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I wish it were the case, but conversion therapy has shown to be a colossal failure time and time again.
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One journalists says Trump nominates only white guys. Another says this black guy he nominated has incorrect beliefs.
I hope the president elect understands exactly whats going on here.

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I wish it were the case, but conversion therapy has shown to be a colossal failure time and time again.

The real problem is that the president elect isn't smart enough to understand the concepts of diplomacy and tact. It leads him to go out of his way to choose people who fit perfectly into the left's stereotypical fantasies and it will cost us dearly in the long run.

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I wish it were the case, but conversion therapy has shown to be a colossal failure time and time again.

The only conversion that I support is a new life in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.  If homosexuality is a chain to anyone Jesus is a chain breaker.  The human being is capable of all kinds of sins and addictions.  Many cannot be broken by our own strength.  But it takes human will to say I don't like this and I want to change.  Nobody can make a person want to change it has to come from them in a free will decision.  I oppose drugs and therapy.  The therapy described in the leading post is disgusting.

I see it this way:

However, a serpent deceives Eve into eating fruit from the forbidden tree (to desire women, to steal, to murder to be a drug addict or alcoholic. To lust others husbands or be filled with any of the many sexual perversions), and she gives some of the fruit to Adam.  (who has now joined in sin and is prone to it) ... God later curses the serpent and the ground. God prophetically tells the woman and the man what will be the consequences of their sin of disobeying God. Then he banishes them from the Garden of Eden. 

So sin has consequences.  Whether you believe in Christ or not.  We could get into a list of consequences of homosexual lifestyle but other sins have consequences too.  Any addiction comes with devastation.  A loss of life or family.  Desperation and addiction.

There is a song and it goes.  Your a good, good father its who you are, who you are.  And I am loved by you it who I am, who I am.  Jesus is a good, good father.  And just like any good father would do he directs his children's path so that they will do well in life.  A good father saves their children from mistakes that cause them to fail in life.  To harm themselves.  As much as a father is able he shields them from danger.  He loves them unconditionally.  He desire for them a good life.  That is what Jesus does to heal people from sin.  Bondage that ruins lives.  Whatever it is.  He breaks the chains.  He is able even when we are not.  It is not in our own strength but in His.
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People come and go from the gay lifestyle all the time. Obviously, it can be done.

According to the Democrats, anyone who criticizes this guy is a racist.
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People come and go from the gay lifestyle all the time. Obviously, it can be done.

According to the Democrats, anyone who criticizes this guy is a racist.

His therapy idea's are a little weird.  I wonder what kind of therapy he needs?
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Another stupid f*cking statement.  Why is it supposed conservatives are so damned nosy and puritanical about what consenting adults do with themselves?   This sort of idiocy is cut from the same cloth as that of liberals and leftists who think Christians can be reformed. 

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Sigh... Gonna be a long 4 years.

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When they talk about "conversion therapy", I'm thinking of parental rights, not someone who has reached the age of majority. I'm not sure if state legislatures have a right to outlaw conversion therapy. Maybe it doesn't work and is a hassle on the adolescent.

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When they talk about "conversion therapy", I'm thinking of parental rights, not someone who has reached the age of majority. I'm not sure if state legislatures have a right to outlaw conversion therapy. Maybe it doesn't work and is a hassle on the adolescent.

Is there one thing you can disagree on or do you really believe this therapy is a good thing?  I honestly think that this man may be extreme.  I think that conversion therapy could be a very damaging and failed attempt by Psychiatric Quacks.

That being said Domestic Policy can be good or bad to any social or religious group.  In the past few years the left has gone outside the balance of government to instate laws that seek to undermine religious freedom.  State and Federal government could have sought Domestic Partnerships instead of redefining marriage.  There have been attacks against Christians who choose not to bake a cake for gay marriage.  Freedom needs to mean freedom for all.  I wouldn't like policies that destroy religious freedom for anyone but want common sense laws that abide by our Constitution.  The freedom to be Christian or Muslim, Gay or Straight.  As long as people follow the laws they are free in America.  And if anyone is honest the pendulum can swing in both directions causing oppression of religion or no religion.  We need to uphold the Constitution.

Blackwell seems like a good Conservative choice.  Hopefully his personal religious beliefs will not interfere with freedom but will strengthen it.  I pray he does a good job and does his job with freedom in mind for all Americans.

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Why is there so many "conversion" fantasies in gay porn? You know, gay guy shows straight dude that he was really gay all along?

Remember this: In liberal fantasy land, you can think you're straight, but really be totally gay, but once you have "discovered" your gay self, you can never go back,
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Why is there so many "conversion" fantasies in gay porn? You know, gay guy shows straight dude that he was really gay all along?

Remember this: In liberal fantasy land, you can think you're straight, but really be totally gay, but once you have "discovered" your gay self, you can never go back,


And how do you know how many conversion fantasies are in gay porn?

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Remember this: In liberal fantasy land, you can think you're straight, but really be totally gay, but once you have "discovered" your gay self, you can never go back,

Interesting point, sort of the flips idea of "conservatives" who cheer at James Bond seducing bleep Galore away from homosexuality but flip out when a dyke introduces a young woman to lesbianism.
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Considering most gays were 'converted to begin with, I fail to see why so many here are spazzing out about the idea they can switch back.

I enter into evidence being taught from Head Start on that 'Gay is OK', All media filled with gay super heroes, stars, storylines, Disney, Fatherless kids raised by mothers who want to fit in with their fellow 'diverse' friends, peer pressure. Is it really so shocking that straight kids steeped in gay culture end up gay? No?

So why is it suddenly impossible for a learned BEHAVIOR to be unlearned?

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And how do you know how many conversion fantasies are in gay porn?

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Same way I know the Koran calls for the murder of unbelievers without actually being a muslim. Or the same way I know about bodice-ripper romance novels without reading any of them. Or the same way I know about the hallucinogenic qualities of certain drugs without actually partaking. I listen to what is going on around me.

Why is this a hard concept for some?

"Oh, you are aware of what gay men like! Let me imply that you partake in gay porn!"

Grow up.
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Folks should take a good long look into epigenetics - How lifestyle marks itself into our DNA... How it's 'scars' can be repaired, or even removed through prolonged lifestyle changes... How those marks pass down to children, or don't, according to lifestyle choices.  The argument toward moral turpitude and 'if it feels good, do it', is quickly vanishing away.

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Michelle Bachmann has the very same view of homosexuals.

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Michelle Bachmann has the very same view of homosexuals.

What?  She believes that homosexuals all need to go through conversion therapy?  Or that homosexuality is a sin?  It is a sin.  I believe that also.  But who am I to judge the world?

After reading that I realized that sounded snarky (is that the word?).  Forgive me.   Anyway it wasn't meant to be.  All I am saying is believing it is a sin is Biblical.  So every Christian should believe that any sexual perversion is sin.  You can't take away from Gods Word.  But we are in the world but not of it.  The Bible says we don't judge the unbelievers but we do judge what is done in the Body of Believers.  (church)
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.