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States are a relic of the past. It’s time to get rid of them.
« on: November 16, 2016, 03:16:48 pm »
States are a relic of the past. It’s time to get rid of them.
By Lawrence R. Samuel November 15 at 2:05 PM

Lawrence R. Samuel is a Miami-based author whose books include “The American Dream: A Cultural History” and “The American Middle Class: A Cultural History.”

While Donald Trump resoundingly won the electoral college — the state-based “point system” we’ve used in presidential elections for more than two centuries — Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by about 780,000 as of a week out of the election. In other words, more Americans wanted Clinton to win, reason enough to revisit the wisdom of using the electoral college to determine elections. But a larger, more important argument is often overlooked in this ongoing debate.

The United States of America: We use the phrase all the time but rarely think of what the words actually mean. In 1776, when this country officially became the United States of America, the words signified a bold idea. Geographic neighbors had formed alliances previously in history to form nations, of course, but these united states shared a vision and philosophy that was literally revolutionary.

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 03:21:15 pm »
Leave it to the Washington Compost to even give this garbage the light of day.

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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 03:22:55 pm »
Leave it to the Washington Compost to even give this garbage the light of day.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2016, 03:35:19 pm »
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A thesis this stuppid deserves many gifs!  :laugh:
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2016, 03:46:30 pm »
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The United States of America: We use the phrase all the time but rarely think of what the words actually mean.

I find reason to think about what it means pretty much every single day.

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2016, 03:46:46 pm »
SOURCE: HOTAIR

URL: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/16/the-next-liberal-brainstorm-lets-just-do-away-with-states-in-america/

by Jazz Shaw



Before the dust had even settled on Hillary Clinton’s defeat we were already hearing rumblings from liberals about the urgent need to do away with the electoral college. That’s a given, since she won the popular vote while still taking a beating in the EC. But not everyone thinks that a “simple” shift to the popular vote model is enough of a change. Some are mulling over doing away with that whole “States” part of “The United States of America.”

When I first began reading Lawrence Samuel’s essay on this subject at the Washington Post I was almost certain that it was a bit of satire in the fine tradition of A Modest Proposal. After all, the entire history of the nation is founded on the idea of a coalition of individual states, each exercising local control under the more general umbrella of the federal government. But as it turns out, Samuel appears to be completely serious. He offers a brief tip of the hat to the founders, saying that the uniting of the original 13 colonies was, “a historic achievement.” But that was then and this is now, as the saying goes.

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But times have changed, and we need to rethink the notion of the “United States of America.” Our states are no longer culturally diverse regions with their own respective identities; rather, they are artificially constructed geographic entities that certainly would not be formed today. Borderlines between states are especially nonsensical. Pensacola, Fla., is a lot more like Mobile, Ala., than Miami. Upstate New Yorkers are less than happy about being in the same tax pool as Manhattanites.

In fact, despite all the attention to divisions within the country based on geography (or race, gender, class or any other demographic measure, for that matter), Americans share a remarkably similar way of thinking and acting. (The so-called red-vs.-blue-state divide is a crude, media-driven concept that looks great on maps but has little basis in reality.) Regional differences have drastically dissipated over the course of the past 240 years, turning the once radical proposition of the “United States” into an anachronism that now has little or no real value.

Where to even begin with this mess? It’s absolutely true that that state borders are far less definitive than they were in the early days of the nation and the ability of Americans to easily migrate tends to dilute the pool quite a bit. But that doesn’t mean that Americans share a remarkably similar way of thinking and acting in geographic terms. There are still distinct flavors and cultures in different regions of the country and they do break down in many cases along state lines. If Samuel’s contention were true we wouldn’t have nearly so much variety in the laws and customs from state to state. For starters, just look at something as controversial as the death penalty. Add in marijuana legalization and rules about civil unions or gay marriage prior to the Supreme Court decision on that subject. Now tell me that the citizens of the several states don’t see things differently on key issues.

But even if we were to accept Samuel’s premise about some sort of culturally homogeneous nation, just thinking about the steps required to do away with the states should be enough to give anyone chills. A single state nation would fall entirely under the power of Washington. Every court would be a federal court. What would happen to state police forces? Would they all be federal agents?

Samuel goes on to argue that this might somehow be a cost saving measure as well.

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Why does any of this matter? Quite a bit, as the problem with states goes far beyond their illogic and irrelevance. State governments are expensive to run and taxpayers are forced to foot most of the bill. We can’t afford them anymore — and we don’t need them.

Here’s a news flash. All of those state and municipal government entities actually do things. Granted, they often do too much and operate inefficiently at a minimum and corruptly in worst case scenarios, but we can say the exact same thing about Washington. If you did away with the states the federal government would have to swoop in and fill that void. And we all know what a bang up job Washington does when it comes to controlling costs and eliminating waste, fraud and abuse, right? (Insert “end sarcasm” tag here at your leisure.)

The relative independence of the states has been greatly weakened by abusive practices in the Supreme Court (such as the redefinition of the commerce clause) as well as an appetite to bestow more and more power on the presidency. But even for all of that, the states remain standing as the founders intended. (More or less) Calling for their elimination isn’t just foolish… it’s unamerican by definition. If we were to adopt Samuel’s scheme what would the new name of the country be? The United State of America?

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Re: States are a relic of the past. It’s time to get rid of them.
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2016, 03:49:06 pm »
Maybe somebody should bring up to him that newspapers are also a relic of the past.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2016, 03:50:53 pm »
When you see articles like this, keep in mind that the writers are people that desire central control
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2016, 03:51:58 pm »
Just make them Soviet Socialist Republics, like the Floridian SSR.

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A thesis this stuppid deserves many gifs!  :laugh:


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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2016, 04:09:26 pm »
The US government exists solely as a result of a compact between the states to allow its creation and existence...screw this clown.

I'll never submit to such an insane proposition.
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2016, 04:15:28 pm »
The progressive left has a totalitarian mindset. Of course they want any impediment to total centralized power removed.

Wait until the states convene an Article V Constitutional Convention - guys like this will bust an artery.

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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2016, 04:19:24 pm »
States are a relic of the past. It’s time to get rid of them.

The only useful result of such an attempt would be the secession of states like Texas from the overburdening Feds.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2016, 04:20:08 pm »
Just make them Soviet Socialist Republics, like the Floridian SSR.
Some of them already are, and might as well be known as the Californian Federated Socialist Republic, the Vermont People's Collective and the Massachusetts Autonomous Oblast.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2016, 04:22:46 pm »
The US government exists solely as a result of a compact between the states to allow its creation and existence...screw this clown.

I'll never submit to such an insane proposition.

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Right! The Fed gets its "limited" power from the states, not the other way around.

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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2016, 04:23:42 pm »
These idiots think we're stupid. They want to get rid of the EC... nope! So they think they'll just propose getting rid of states altogether and we won't notice that'll get rid of the EC too.


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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2016, 04:27:54 pm »

Virginia, Massachusetts, and Kentucky are not States.
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2016, 04:37:17 pm »
Federalism is a vital bulwark against the centralization of power. That is why Progressives have fought to undermine it. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2016, 05:45:23 pm »
Think not, liberals do. Sitting on their heads they must be.

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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2016, 05:46:21 pm »
Virginia, Massachusetts, and Kentucky are not States.
I believe PA is a commonwealth as well.
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2016, 07:45:58 pm »

I believe PA is a commonwealth as well.


Pennsylvania is a commonwealth too. You're right. I missed that one.


So, 4 commonwealths
Virginia
Pennsylvania
Kentucky
Massachusetts


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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2016, 07:54:12 pm »
So, 4 commonwealths
Virginia
Pennsylvania
Kentucky
Massachusetts

Is there any real difference beside the name?
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