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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2016, 02:34:59 am »
Donald still refuses to open his bible I see.

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2016, 02:38:11 am »
By that reckoning Dredd-Scott should be "settled law" too.

Ought to make whatever tyranny he imposes, to be 'settled law' too.
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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2016, 02:38:54 am »
It's the position you have to take to get elected in this country these days.

Dare question the homosexual agenda, or even say there is one, and your political career is over. Heck, even your regular career might be over, too.
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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2016, 02:41:18 am »
Apparently the democrats won after all.

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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2016, 02:42:27 am »
It's the position you have to take to get elected in this country these days.

Dare question the homosexual agenda, or even say there is one, and your political career is over. Heck, even your regular career might be over, too.

he is already elected and he has no career in politics.

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2016, 02:43:12 am »
Pretty sure abortion is settled law. No matter. I hear Planned Parenthood does a lot of good. Lets see how that goes.

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2016, 02:43:57 am »
Apparently the democrats won after all.

Imagine that. Who could have ever predicted this?

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2016, 02:47:46 am »
Settled Law is a term used by the left. This is about the fourth or fifth Trump quote from the 60 Minutes interview that's nauseating.

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2016, 02:50:01 am »
If a strict constitutionalist Supreme Court justice appointment in the mold of Scalia were appointed,  is it not possible for this issue to be revisited?

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 02:52:37 am »
Settled Law is a term used by the left. This is about the fourth or fifth Trump quote from the 60 Minutes interview that's nauseating.

He's also siding with the left on the electoral college.

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2016, 02:54:45 am »
Apparently the democrats won after all.

Not if something like a religious conscience act gets passed in Congress.

Evangelicals who gave Trump over 80% of their vote should petition for this.


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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2016, 02:58:12 am »
He's also siding with the left on the electoral college.

Doesn't matter

That Constitution thingy gets in the way of that.
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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2016, 03:01:51 am »
Imagine that. Who could have ever predicted this?

If only there was some warning that Trump wasn't a conservative...

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2016, 03:04:00 am »
Not if something like a religious conscience act gets passed in Congress.

Evangelicals who gave Trump over 80% of their vote should petition for this.



Or maybe have helped nominate the guy that they didn't have to petition in the first place. But no. they 'knew better' as usual. Now they are left to beg.

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2016, 03:10:22 am »
Well, technically he is correct, just like slavery was settled law, jim crow was settled law, prohibition was settled law. The thing about our Constitutional Republic is that 'settled law' is subject to change as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution. We have a system in place that updates laws and customs. So, outside a few limitations on the government, nothing is truly 'settled'.

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2016, 03:11:12 am »

Evangelicals who gave Trump over 80% of their vote should petition for this.


Evangelicals didn't give Trump over 80% of their vote.  I am sick of seeing this lie repeated.
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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2016, 03:12:55 am »
If only there was some warning that Trump wasn't a conservative...

I'm surprised TOS didn't  catch this.
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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2016, 03:16:08 am »
ObamaCare is "settled law" too.

Roberts saw to that.

So Trump's "plans" to repeal it were just a flat out lie, even by his own standards.
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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2016, 03:17:20 am »
I'm surprised TOS didn't  catch this.

LOL yeah you would have thought JimRob would have called Trump a "Liberal Scumbag" or something just a couple years ago.  :silly:

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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2016, 01:10:59 pm »
Yet, he wants to appoint pro-life judges (which I am for).
Could the same argument be made that this is settled law, if he wanted to change his mind?
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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2016, 01:14:29 pm »
Crickets from the die hard Trumpsters...
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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2016, 01:29:57 pm »
This is meaningless.  The President doesn't get to choose how the Justices he appoints will rule on specific issues after they are on the Court.  At that point, they are free agents and don't answer to his preferences.

So as long as he appoints good conservative justices - which is something he has only confirmed since the election - that's all that matters

Tempest in a teapot - at the most.
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Re: GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2016, 01:32:20 pm »
Civil marriage equality is settled law in the sense that it has been affirmed as consistent with the equal protection clause of the Constitution.   I agree with Trump - there's no going back.   There will likely be clarification along the margins;  e.g., in areas where the current laws respecting public accommodations may conflict with religious liberty,  but it's hard to ground a right more firmly than in the equal protection clause of the Constitution. 

"Settled law" is more properly the ancient legal concept of "stare decisis"  -  and that's something anyone with a conservative view of the role of the courts in our system ought to embrace.   A proper conservative first and foremost applauds a court that interprets the law rather than makes it,  that defers to the verdict of the peoples' elected representatives rather than acts as an unelected legislature unto itself.   While I concede that the SCOTUS's decision affirming marriage equality was probably premature -  the states had been quickly moving on their own to confirm the right -  the grounding of the decision in the equal protection clause was sound as a judicial and Constitutional matter.   Besides - a gay couple's right to marry under the civil law harms no one,  and affects no couple's heterosexual marriage. 

As for the abortion issue,  a conservative court cognizant of stare decisis will realize that every woman of child bearing age has had the liberty, for her entire adult life,  to decide for herself whether to reproduce.  Overturning that right would be as disruptive a move by an unelected court as one can imagine.   If the abortion right is to be overturned,  it should be done by the people, in the manner provided for in the Constitution -  by an amendment ratified by two-thirds of the state.       
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