Voters target Electoral College members to switch their Trump ballots, elect Clinton

[mystery-ak]

Voters target Electoral College members to switch their Trump ballots, elect Clinton
Published November 12, 2016 FoxNews.com

Voters upset that Republican Donald Trump had been elected president -- or think that the presidency was unfairly taken from Democratic rival Hillary Clinton -- are scrambling for ways to change the results.

Their major focus is trying to get members of the U.S. Electoral College to change their vote, arguing that Clinton should be the next president because 60.47 Americans voted for her, compared to 60 million for Trump. 

The college is part of the Constitution and is composed of 538 members, with each state and the District of Columbia having one member, or electorate, for every senator or House lawmaker.

Trump won 290 of the so-called electoral votes, in the race to get a minimum 270.

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[EC]

Sounds like typical whining - but don't bet on it. From the bit's I'm picking up, they are deadly serious about this. It also doesn't seem to be an organised campaign yet, which makes it more dangerous, not less.

[Suppressed]

A perfectly legitimate tactic, dating from the early days of the nation.  This is why Trump is not yet the "president-elect," but merely the presumptive one.

[Cripplecreek]

A perfectly legitimate tactic, dating from the early days of the nation.  This is why Trump is not yet the "president-elect," but merely the presumptive one.

While it would be a bad idea in this paticular case, you are correct that electors, delegates, representatives etc are not expected to be a rubber stamp for their constituents.

Independence from Britain was not a popular idea in the colonies but many delegates went against the wishes of their constituents and voted for independence anyway. Edmund Burke actively encouraged it from Britain.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The story makes the assumption that these people are all "voters".  We don't know that they are voters, or even citizens.  All we know is that they are goons in the street.

And as for representatives exercising their independent judgement, that is an incredible crock of garbage in this context. Voters did not choose these particular electors for their judgement.  We didn't even know who they were, and their names don't even appear on the ballot.

They were nameless and faceless - simple proxies, not representatives whom we chose to elect to exercise even the tiniest shred of independent judgment.

I was a reluctant Trump voter, but if these goons and electors were to steal this election (which isn't going to happen anyway), any moral obligation to accept peaceably a transfer of power would be broken.  No more democratic process, no more obligation to refrain from all-out violence.

[GrouchoTex]

I don't believe they will be able to accomplish this, but it is the only real recourse they have left, if the want to elect Hillary.

[Doug Loss]

Sounds like typical whining - but don't bet on it. From the bit's I'm picking up, they are deadly serious about this. It also doesn't seem to be an organised campaign yet, which makes it more dangerous, not less.

They may be serious, but they won't be successful.  To do so they would have to convince what, 20 or so electors who were specifically chosen by the Republican Party to change their votes from Trump to Clinton.  Not only will that not happen, if it did those unfaithful electors' political careers would be over, gone in a moment of total rejection.  And if you think the non-leftists who so far have never rioted over electoral results (unlike the left, who appear to do it anytime they don't like the results) will let it go unanswered, you're just not reading the tenor of the populace correctly.

[240B]

The only concerns I would have about this are violence and bribery.


If the Left knows who these people are, where they live, where they work, where their children go to school, then there is a chance of blackmail and extortion. The Left have a proven history of violence and they are openly saying that they are willing to kill to get Hillary elected.


We know that Soros and a few Arab entities abroad are funding the riots and they have an unlimited amount of money. If they were to approach these people and tell them that a switch will get them a million dollars, or five million dollars, or ten million dollars, then it may be hard for them to say no.


I hope the delegate are under secret service protection. If they are not, they should be for sure. There is no limit to what the Left will do to achieve their goals.

[cato potatoe]

They may be serious, but they won't be successful.  To do so they would have to convince what, 20 or so electors who were specifically chosen by the Republican Party to change their votes from Trump to Clinton.  Not only will that not happen, if it did those unfaithful electors' political careers would be over, gone in a moment of total rejection.  And if you think the non-leftists who so far have never rioted over electoral results (unlike the left, who appear to do it anytime they don't like the results) will let it go unanswered, you're just not reading the tenor of the populace correctly.

If he holds Michigan, they would have to switch 37 to send it to the house, or 38 to give it to Hillary.  They couldn't even convince one to switch in 2000, when there was cause for heartburn. 

[Longmire]

The Dims would be well advised to be careful what they wish for in advocating for a Constitutional convention. 

[ScottinVA]

Now, that will bring a shooting war.  Libs delight in calling conservatives "crazies with guns."  They would quickly learn how right they are.

[libertybele]

The only concerns I would have about this are violence and bribery.


If the Left knows who these people are, where they live, where they work, where their children go to school, then there is a chance of blackmail and extortion. The Left have a proven history of violence and they are openly saying that they are willing to kill to get Hillary elected.


We know that Soros and a few Arab entities abroad are funding the riots and they have an unlimited amount of money. If they were to approach these people and tell them that a switch will get them a million dollars, or five million dollars, or ten million dollars, then it may be hard for them to say no.


I hope the delegate are under secret service protection. If they are not, they should be for sure. There is no limit to what the Left will do to achieve their goals.

Oh, you mean sort of like the 'intimidation tactics" used by the Trump mob during the primary and RNC convention? 

I am not going to be at all surprised if Hillary becomes president after all and I'm not going to be surprised if nobody resists or protests.

[XenaLee]

Voters target Electoral College members to switch their Trump ballots, elect Clinton
Published November 12, 2016 FoxNews.com

Voters upset that Republican Donald Trump had been elected president -- or think that the presidency was unfairly taken from Democratic rival Hillary Clinton -- are scrambling for ways to change the results.

Their major focus is trying to get members of the U.S. Electoral College to change their vote, arguing that Clinton should be the next president because 60.47 Americans voted for her, compared to 60 million for Trump. 

The college is part of the Constitution and is composed of 538 members, with each state and the District of Columbia having one member, or electorate, for every senator or House lawmaker.

Trump won 290 of the so-called electoral votes, in the race to get a minimum 270.

more
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/12/voters-target-electoral-college-members-to-switch-their-trump-ballots-elect-clinton.html

So.....they're actually wrangling and whining over a .47% difference?  I don't get it.  How the hell do they ""figure"" that that is a mandate for Hillary?

She only got around 290,000 more votes than Trump.  Are they crazy?  (rhetorical question)

http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/

[XenaLee]

Oh, you mean sort of like the 'intimidation tactics" used by the Trump mob during the primary and RNC convention? 

I am not going to be at all surprised if Hillary becomes president after all and I'm not going to be surprised if nobody resists or protests.

That ain't gonna happen.  It's over.  The idiot left just can't hear the fat lady singing cause of all that wax in their ears.

[Doug Loss]

I am not going to be at all surprised if Hillary becomes president after all and I'm not going to be surprised if nobody resists or protests.

You have clearly not been  to east Tennessee recently.  Ain't no way we'd take that lying down.

[Longmire]

Oh, you mean sort of like the 'intimidation tactics" used by the Trump mob during the primary and RNC convention?