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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #125 on: November 13, 2016, 06:52:53 pm »


My understanding is that Trump wants to return healthcare to the way it was before Obamacare, more or less, only with a few enhancements. But honestly, nobody knows what Trump has in mind. And we will not know the final product until it passes in Congress.


Hang on, I'm having deja vu all over again...

(SanFranNan:"You have to pass it to find out what is in it.", talking about the ACA...)
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #126 on: November 13, 2016, 06:54:50 pm »
Maybe it should be the Trumpers who should eat humble pie. He won in spite of the never Trumpers. Now that he won and turned the myth about voting for a third party as a vote for Hillary into a turdblossom, it will be incumbent upon him to put actions where his mouth was.

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #127 on: November 13, 2016, 06:55:38 pm »
Hang on, I'm having deja vu all over again...

(SanFranNan:"You have to pass it to find out what is in it.", talking about the ACA...)

I had the same thought as you.  But hey, as long it's our side this time, right? :P

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #128 on: November 13, 2016, 07:25:01 pm »
Well, I'm done being a slave on their plantation, and I am forever done with them and their party.

There is going to be no 'humble pie' for me. 

I plan on looking at and reacting to Trump and his regime the same exact way I saw and reacted to Obama and his regime:

With vigilance and instantaneous calling out every single moment and time he steps on the Constitution and enables liberalism.

But none of that will matter to either the saluting masses who adore him, or the Marxist Left who plan on scorched earth who oppose him.

Mine will be a very minority opinion and belief system in a nation gone willingly into statism.
Part of the unique position those of us who supported neither major candidate is that we (regardless of who had prevailed) retain the ability to regard, assess, and critique any proposed policy by any politician without the "my guy" bias.

My guy lost the election. Dismally. Maybe next time, but for now, the results are what they are.

Now the POTUS elect is working on his transition to office, and there was a lengthy list of promises which he made on the way to getting elected. Frankly, I hope he doesn't keep some of those, I think some would be disastrous. However there are others he made I could agree with, but either way, those are the standards he established by which we can all measure his own performance.

IF we aren't blinded to that performance or lack thereof by the cult of personality.

In this sense, those of us who were #nevertrump#neverhillary throughout the election have a unique perspective. We can, without the bias and willful blindness of a supporter, assess how he does. He gave us a scorecard, and now we can make an honest call as to his performance. I'm willing to give him credit when he gets it right, but I won't dissimulate when he gets it wrong, and I think others here can be trusted to do the same.

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #129 on: November 13, 2016, 07:26:38 pm »
:amen:

PS  The autocorrect has a red squiggly line under "turdblossom".  I think you spelled it wrong.
Just right click and select "add to dictionary". the squigglies go away! (Mine has a line under autocorrect, too.)
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #131 on: November 13, 2016, 07:33:18 pm »
You know the Left (Obama/Yellen) has already plotted a financial crisis....zero interest rates and a stimulus going on 8 years.

He's gonna need two years at least.   Just like Reagan needed.

Nope. One year to show he's actually a decent CinC. If someone is plotting a financial crisis - well crises go with the territory of being president.
He's got his day one list and his first hundred day list - I'm giving him over three times that time to get it done.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #132 on: November 13, 2016, 07:44:06 pm »
Nope. One year to show he's actually a decent CinC. If someone is plotting a financial crisis - well crises go with the territory of being president.
He's got his day one list and his first hundred day list - I'm giving him over three times that time to get it done.

Initiating his policies and looking for results in one thing.

Being purposely sabotaged by the LEFT and the powers behind same is another thing altogether. 
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #133 on: November 13, 2016, 07:44:47 pm »
Part of the unique position those of us who supported neither major candidate is that we (regardless of who had prevailed) retain the ability to regard, assess, and critique any proposed policy by any politician without the "my guy" bias.

Absolutely.  It is liberating isn't it?

Now the POTUS elect is working on his transition to office, and there was a lengthy list of promises which he made on the way to getting elected. Frankly, I hope he doesn't keep some of those, I think some would be disastrous. However there are others he made I could agree with, but either way, those are the standards he established by which we can all measure his own performance.

If I was a betting man, given the make-up of the feckless GOP, the radical Leftists in the DNC and the majority of the country that WANT big government statism - I discern he will make good on those Fascist policies that we know will be disastrous - and renege on those that would serve the Constitution, limited government and moral principles.

I'm willing to give him credit when he gets it right, but I won't dissimulate when he gets it wrong, and I think others here can be trusted to do the same.

I also, am willing to give his regime credit when they serve their oath faithfully and support the principles you and I are governed by.  I have yet to see much in anything beyond just sound bites for public consumption and a lot of stupid rhetoric.  What I have seen explanations of, is his necessity to walk back several of his key campaign promises.  So I am under no illusion that I will be exclaiming his kudos very often.

I think I will be spending about the same amount of time in criticism as I have been of the Obama regime, and the GOP these past 12 years.  I expect no change.

But Trump will get praise when he actually accomplishes those things that serve Conservatism and the Constitution adequately.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #134 on: November 13, 2016, 07:46:44 pm »
Initiating his policies and looking for results in one thing.

Being purposely sabotaged by the LEFT and the powers behind same is another thing altogether.

But I thought Trump was this miracle deal maker and negotiator??

Surely they would not sabotage a deal they make with someone so skilled in such things?
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #135 on: November 13, 2016, 07:52:49 pm »
Initiating his policies and looking for results in one thing.

Being purposely sabotaged by the LEFT and the powers behind same is another thing altogether.

What "left"?  There's no "left".

Trump owns the whole shebang. 

He loves to blame others for his failures but he can't do that for the next four years.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #136 on: November 13, 2016, 07:54:11 pm »
What "left"?  There's no "left".

Trump owns the whole shebang. 

He loves to blame others for his failures but he can't do that for the next four years.

Oh....I'm sorry.

I must have missed the memo that the Federal Reserve Chairman is an underling of the sitting POTUS.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #137 on: November 13, 2016, 07:57:05 pm »
Oh....I'm sorry.

I must have missed the memo that the Federal Reserve Chairman is an underling of the sitting POTUS.

Yeah.  The one Democrat with a board made up mostly of Republicans gets the blame for all of Trump's failures.

Why are you already making excuses for him?
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #138 on: November 13, 2016, 08:04:37 pm »
Absolutely.  It is liberating isn't it?
Eminently!
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If I was a betting man, given the make-up of the feckless GOP, the radical Leftists in the DNC and the majority of the country that WANT big government statism - I discern he will make good on those Fascist policies that we know will be disastrous - and renege on those that would serve the Constitution, limited government and moral principles.
That is about my take on all of this, but in fairness and the interest of establishing a valid and inarguable standard, I just used Trump's own promises.
There are a few there I would rather he not implement because I, too, think they would either further the advance of statism, make our government even more totalitarian, or just be bad policy, but they go along with the package.
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I also, am willing to give his regime credit when they serve their oath faithfully and support the principles you and I are governed by.  I have yet to see much in anything beyond just sound bites for public consumption and a lot of stupid rhetoric.  What I have seen explanations of, is his necessity to walk back several of his key campaign promises.  So I am under no illusion that I will be exclaiming his kudos very often.

I think I will be spending about the same amount of time in criticism as I have been of the Obama regime, and the GOP these past 12 years.  I expect no change.

But Trump will get praise when he actually accomplishes those things that serve Conservatism and the Constitution adequately.
Yep!
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #139 on: November 13, 2016, 08:07:29 pm »
Yeah.  The one Democrat with a board made up mostly of Republicans gets the blame for all of Trump's failures.

Why are you already making excuses for him?

I'm not, buddy.

Why are you already assigning failure to him?    :shrug:
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #140 on: November 13, 2016, 09:56:49 pm »
PS  The autocorrect has a red squiggly line under "turdblossom".  I think you spelled it wrong.

The correct spelling of that word is "McMullin".

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« Reply #141 on: November 13, 2016, 10:06:13 pm »
The correct spelling of that word is "McMullin".

No argument there. The term for him I used was "turd in the punch bowl".
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #142 on: November 13, 2016, 10:39:14 pm »
I'm not, buddy.

Why are you already assigning failure to him?   

I'd say making Rinse Prius his Chief of Staff is a good indication of failure, or revelation of the total con you guys bought into.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #143 on: November 13, 2016, 10:45:36 pm »
I'd say making Rinse Prius his Chief of Staff is a good indication of failure, or revelation of the total con you guys bought into.

Yeah.......... that was a thrilling announcement, wasn't it??   **nononono*
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #144 on: November 13, 2016, 11:01:05 pm »
Yeah.......... that was a thrilling announcement, wasn't it??   **nononono*

I'm thrilled. Really thrilled. On the edge of my seat thrilled. Out of my seat thrilled. Shouting it from the rooftops thrilled. Telling the whole world thrilled. oh...no...i think i just molted down...there are feathers EVERYWHERE...
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« Reply #145 on: November 13, 2016, 11:08:14 pm »
I'm thrilled. Really thrilled. On the edge of my seat thrilled. Out of my seat thrilled. Shouting it from the rooftops thrilled. Telling the whole world thrilled. oh...no...i think i just molted down...there are feathers EVERYWHERE...
Quick! Gather 'em up and make pillows or comforters or something...

When you get lemons...
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #146 on: November 13, 2016, 11:12:45 pm »
Quick! Gather 'em up and make pillows or comforters or something...

When you get lemons...

When you get lemons, you make a pillow???    :tongue2:
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2016, 11:13:20 pm »
Quick! Gather 'em up and make pillows or comforters or something...

When you get lemons...


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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #148 on: November 13, 2016, 11:14:44 pm »
When you get lemons, you make a pillow???    :tongue2:

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #149 on: November 13, 2016, 11:23:26 pm »
When you get lemons, you make a pillow???    :tongue2:

No, in the Age of Trump you pretend those are eggs - you paint them gold and you sell them to suckers.
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