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 Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits
Provisional and absentee ballots, antiquated voting machines, and inconsistent laws could draw out the process.
By John Fund — November 6, 2016

If you think our marathon election season will end on Tuesday, you might be wrong.

“Margin of litigation” is a phrase we might hear a lot after Tuesday if the presidential election is close in one or more states. It refers to the number of votes by which a candidate must win in order to prevent litigation — and delays — before a result is final. Both parties will have armies of lawyers deployed on Election Night looking for irregularities and opportunities to go to court. On Sunday, Trump running mate Mike Pence told Fox News Sunday that “a clear outcome, obviously both sides will accept.” But then he went on to say, “I think both campaigns have also been very clear that, you know, in the event of disputed results, they reserve all legal rights and remedies.”

We almost went into a Bush v. Gore–like election overtime in 2004 because of provisional ballots. Voters in every state must be given a provisional, or conditional, ballot if for any reason they are unable to cast a regular ballot (if, for instance their name is not on the voter rolls or they lack voter ID, or if an election official brings a challenge). The provisional ballot is then cross-checked with public records to see if it’s valid.

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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2016, 02:26:39 pm »
Considering the fact that Trump has threatened to sue something like 48 different people and organizations in the course of his campaign, I'd call this one a gimmie.

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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2016, 02:27:56 pm »
It won't be close.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2016, 02:29:30 pm »
It won't be close.

They'll be calling this one before midnight and probably between 10 and 11 PM.

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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2016, 02:32:54 pm »

 
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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2016, 02:40:41 pm »
Considering the fact that Trump has threatened to sue something like 48 different people and organizations in the course of his campaign, I'd call this one a gimmie.

Yeah, because the Rats have a history of walking away from close elections.


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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2016, 02:30:01 am »
From the article:
"Voters in every state must be given a provisional, or conditional, ballot if for any reason they are unable to cast a regular ballot"

Nonsense.
There should be no "provisional ballots" of any kind, ever.

Be registered by election day.
Show up with ID
Vote.

If you can't do that, you shouldn't be permitted to "engage in the process".

Does that sound discriminatory?
I certainly hope so!

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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2016, 02:02:16 pm »
From the article:
"Voters in every state must be given a provisional, or conditional, ballot if for any reason they are unable to cast a regular ballot"

Nonsense.
There should be no "provisional ballots" of any kind, ever.

Be registered by election day.
Show up with ID
Vote.

If you can't do that, you shouldn't be permitted to "engage in the process".

Does that sound discriminatory?
I certainly hope so!

You sure about that?

My wife and I moved on November 1.  That was after the deadline to change our address with the Board of Elections, and they would not let us change it before we actually moved. 

In our case, we have the option of casting a provisional ballot in the precinct in which we now live.  But you're saying we "shouldn't be permitted to engage in the process."

Glad you're not the guy making the rules.
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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2016, 03:28:58 pm »
Maj. Martin wrote above:
"You sure about that?"

Yes, sir.
Sorry if you disagree.
But I'm not changing my position.

I realize you're in an unusual situation, but -- them's the breaks.

We must weigh the potential for damage by the left by taking advantage of "the process", vis-a-vis those few who, by circumstance, get edged out.

If this means sacrificing the potential votes of you and your wife vs. many illegal and invalid votes of cheaters -- again, sorry, sir.

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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2016, 03:34:06 pm »
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If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund

Damn John! That's about the most insightful thing I've seen in awhile!  /s!
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Re: Election Overtime? If Races Are Close, Expect Lawsuits...John Fund
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2016, 03:48:19 pm »
Maj. Martin wrote above:
"You sure about that?"

Yes, sir.
Sorry if you disagree.
But I'm not changing my position.

I realize you're in an unusual situation, but -- them's the breaks.

We must weigh the potential for damage by the left by taking advantage of "the process", vis-a-vis those few who, by circumstance, get edged out.

If this means sacrificing the potential votes of you and your wife vs. many illegal and invalid votes of cheaters -- again, sorry, sir.

Heh.  Well hell, I respect your directness, and understand your point.