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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #150 on: October 27, 2016, 04:04:41 pm »
I find it funny that if folks question the wisdom of airing certain shows during prime time they get accused of wanting censorship.

I'm not sure, but I think it may be a defense mechanism.

The ones here screaming "censorship!" haven't thought things through.  They're reacting emotionally.
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« Reply #151 on: October 27, 2016, 04:08:42 pm »

Spot on @XenaLee

I grew up in a 18 state -allowed to drink in bars at age 18.

All my siblings including myself went to Catholic school.  My sister who is now 59 said she and her female friends would ride their bicyles to the local hot spot bar and drink there while in HS. They did not drive because the parents would check out the parking lot for their cars.

I drank at the same spot while in HS when I was 17 because I had my brothers college ID and we looked alike.

I did way worse than above btw..I was a hedonistic little thing.

MY dad was street smart..he knew what was going on but my mom was totally naive.

It was probably the only way she could have gotten thru your teenage years with her sanity intact.  And same here.  I was a total brat as a teenager.  Hey.....it was my job and sworn duty, after all.....lolol.  And even my mom said that compared to what the teens of today pull, I was an angel.  My mom at least didn't have to worry about the drug craze.
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #152 on: October 27, 2016, 04:35:26 pm »
I guess you didn't read the article, and reacted emotionally and defensively rather than thoughtfully, so I'll let you know what it says.....

And I guess you didn't comprehend what the article concluded.  That what this group wants is indeed censorship.....not "self-censorship".

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In that sense, this really does become a question of censorship: The PTC is, in effect, saying that The Walking Dead has gone too far, and positioning itself as a suitable arbiter for deciding what else is or isn't appropriate. For better or for worse, that road leads to censorship, and to certain shows being deemed "unsuitable," "immoral," and, if history has taught us anything about how these things tend to go, "un-American."

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The suggestion is not that the shows be "censored," but that families have to option NOT to get that particular channel from their cable package so they have more control at home, or not be forced to subsidize violence because there is no choice as to what channels and programming come into your home.

Ah....but how would that help when their little darlings are at the neighbor's house, as you previously suggested?  Even IF parents could cherry-pick and choose which channels to pay for....they'd still have to worry about that.  And natch, their little darlings would have more reason to want to go to the neighbors if parents could self-censor.

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Nowhere is there mention, here or elsewhere, of parents who let their children watch the show and then "bitch about it."   I imagine that most parents who don't care about what their kids watch and are irresponsible enough to think it's OK for their kids to watch this kind of horror aren't the ones complaining.  So unless you have evidence that this parents group consists of very confused parents, your point is moot and your argument has no basis in fact.

No, I was going by and responding to what AbaraXas posted.  That's still allowed here, isn't it? 

It's real simple.  If your kids are that 'good'....just instruct them never to watch the shows you find offensive.  That'll work.  Right?

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All I have talked about is self-censorship.  That production companies should know what is a "bridge too far" for television that comes into homes where children may be watching.  The article is referring to controls over which channels are in your cable package and which aren't.  I'm talking about responsible producers.

Ehhh.....with all due respect, that is not how what you posted came off.  How 'else' could one interpret your comment about "wanting disgusting material off the air"?  Wanting the show off the air IS, in fact, seeking censorship.  It is NOT self-censorship.

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And, IMO, attacking parents who want disgusting material off the air by calling it censorship is also not fair.  I think it's important for people who care about culture rot to continue to speak up.


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My husband and I have talked about it for years.  Why are we forced to pay for hundreds of channels we never watch, and in essence, support things financially that we don't participate in, or what we strongly disapprove of?

It's a legitimate question.

Like I said previously, I disapprove of MANY shows on cable TV these days.  Shows that I'm also paying for.  If you don't like paying for certain shows, take it up with your cable tv provider.  It's not my fault.  But wanting to have a certain show that you disapprove of 'removed' from viewing is censorship, in all of its ugly glory.  And yes, when you deign to make decisions for everyone else, that smacks of fascism to me.

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And your accusing me of agreeing with fascism is just dumb.

Sorry.

And since you brought up and mentioned Trump, it (parents' attempted censorship and/or removal of "certain shows" from tv viewing) also smacks of something the Trump camp would do (See:  zotting and censoring of any speech they deem "offensive").

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btw, the argument you're using has been used by many who are trying to excuse Donald Trump's abuse of women.  That's just the way men are.  Doesn't cut it either way.

Again, I have a problem with anyone trying to dictate to ME what I should or shouldn't, can or can't do these days.  Just sayin.....

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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #153 on: October 27, 2016, 04:38:13 pm »
Some folks just aren't bright enough to recognize that a load willingly shared is not communism, its community and cooperation.

Communism is done through force.


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Uh,huh. Only bright people believe in myths like life after death and a "Big Ranger in the Sky that hears all,sees all,and takes notes".

As for Christianity not being done though force,you HAVE heard of the Catholic Church,haven't you?
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #154 on: October 27, 2016, 04:39:46 pm »
I find it funny that if folks question the wisdom of airing certain shows during prime time they get accused of wanting censorship.

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What do YOU call it,"ALLOWING other people the freedom to view what they want to view"?
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #155 on: October 27, 2016, 04:42:21 pm »

@Cripplecreek

Uh,huh. Only bright people believe in myths like life after death and a "Big Ranger in the Sky that hears all,sees all,and takes notes".

As for Christianity not being done though force,you HAVE heard of the Catholic Church,haven't you?

Yes, which is sort of why the Reformation happened.
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« Reply #156 on: October 27, 2016, 04:45:54 pm »
Ah....but how would that help when their little darlings are at the neighbor's house, as you previously suggested?  Even IF parents could cherry-pick and choose which channels to pay for....they'd still have to worry about that.  And natch, their little darlings would have more reason to want to go to the neighbors if parents could self-censor.

No, I was going by and responding to what AbaraXas posted.  That's still allowed here, isn't it? 

It's real simple.  If your kids are that 'good'....just instruct them never to watch the shows you find offensive.  That'll work.  Right?

Ehhh.....with all due respect, that is not how what you posted came off.  How 'else' could one interpret your comment about "wanting disgusting material off the air"?  Wanting the show off the air IS, in fact, seeking censorship.  It is NOT self-censorship.


Like I said previously, I disapprove of MANY shows on cable TV these days.  Shows that I'm also paying for.  If you don't like paying for certain shows, take it up with your cable tv provider.  It's not my fault.  But wanting to have a certain show that you disapprove of 'removed' from viewing is censorship, in all of its ugly glory.  And yes, when you deign to make decisions for everyone else, that smacks of fascism to me.

And since you brought up and mentioned Trump, it (parents' attempted censorship and/or removal of "certain shows" from tv viewing) also smacks of something the Trump camp would do (See:  zotting and censoring of any speech they deem "offensive").

Again, I have a problem with anyone trying to dictate to ME what I should or shouldn't, can or can't do these days.  Just sayin.....

And yet, you are quite comfortable with making false assumptions and putting words in my mouth that I don't think, or didn't say, as well as dictating to ME what I should say or think.  If you gripe about my freedom to express myself, perhaps you shouldn't take for granted your right to express yourself.  That's what this forum is all about.

I see your intense distaste for having someone say that networks should monitor themselves and not put certain shows on the air.  But don't jump off the cliff and call it censorship or fascism.  It makes you look like you're out of control, and not being rational.

Actually, when I read your words of excess I think maybe you're still suffering from TOS PTSD.  Your responses are to people THERE who actually do want censorship, not to the people HERE who are making reasonable arguments for self-censorship and personal responsibility.  The emotion and anger in your posts is not a rational response to the arguments being made here.

And you apparently don't believe there actually are good parents and good kids out there, and for that I feel sorry for you.

btw, my husband and I have taken the subject up with the cable company multiple times.  I still have the right to state an opinion about it here, your protestations notwithstanding.
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #157 on: October 27, 2016, 04:46:19 pm »
What subsidies? There's crop insurance and conservation programs. The subsidy is long gone. And I have no problem them paying lower property taxes on unimproved land. All trucks in my state have to have plates regardless of use.

If they were making big money at farming, they wouldn't need jobs and side businesses. They pull in other income because unless you are very large, farming today doesn't make that much.

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Are you trying to claim the farm programs where farmers are paid to NOT grow crops has been ended?

I would almost bet you are wrong about the license plate thing,too. All they have to do is put a plate that says "Farm Use" on their trucks and they are legal as long as they are only driving it within a certain distance from their farm. I know some that don't even bother to do that. They just paint "Farm Use" on their tailgates. Most put regular plates on their daily driver new  pu's,but don't bother to tag their flatbeds.

And you second statement defies reality. Unless of course  you believe that a successful farmer doesn't want or need "more money". I guess the rumors about people like Soros and Buffett investing more money for more profits are wrong,because they already have enough money,right?
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #158 on: October 27, 2016, 04:49:41 pm »
@Idaho_Cowboy

What do YOU call it,"ALLOWING other people the freedom to view what they want to view"?
It's the difference between a lamentation and a call for a new law.

Look at it this way. If I say "that's a stupid thing to do" that's not the same as saying "that ought to be illegal." Or if I say it would be nice If I could watch prime time TV with my kiddos isn't the same as saying that the government needs to do something about it. Just because people have the right doesn't mean it's a good idea.

I wish modern country music sounded more like country music. That doesn't mean I want the gubmint to mandate every country band have twin fiddles and a steel guitar. What it means is I wish there were more like minded consumers to myself to increase the demand for said product. Be it good ole twangy country or wholesome Andy Griffith kind of TV programming.

As another example. I don't take your hostility for my faith to mean that you the government to stop my from practicing it; same thought applies here.

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« Reply #159 on: October 27, 2016, 04:50:16 pm »
There is no one more lacking in intelligent responses than a knee-jerk atheist.

@musiclady

Unless it would be someone that believes in fairy tales like life after death,a magical fairy that lives in the sky that sees all,knows all,and punishes the rats in  his maze that don't follow orders.

Not to mention people don't understand that "community" is the root word communism comes from,and that ALL communists are happy workers who are willing to share with others. If you don't believe it,just ask the dictators that control the country they live in.
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« Reply #160 on: October 27, 2016, 04:51:38 pm »
I'm not sure, but I think it may be a defense mechanism.

The ones here screaming "censorship!" haven't thought things through.  They're reacting emotionally.

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« Reply #161 on: October 27, 2016, 04:52:49 pm »

@Free Vulcan  crop subsidies are still very much in use.  Our local paper prints by law every year what each farmer receives in our area.

You are correct, I have not kept up with legislation. ARC and PLC are counter-cyclical payments. While not direct subsidies, they are close enough. Still, they only trigger in bad times and not a guaranteed thing.

I know farmers get alot of perks in some areas. Here in Iowa they get tax free fuel and that's about it. Most are pretty efficient.
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« Reply #162 on: October 27, 2016, 04:54:30 pm »
@musiclady

Unless it would be someone that believes in fairy tales like life after death,a magical fairy that lives in the sky that sees all,knows all,and punishes the rats in  his maze that don't follow orders.

Not to mention people don't understand that "community" is the root word communism comes from,and that ALL communists are happy workers who are willing to share with others. If you don't believe it,just ask the dictators that control the country they live in.

I also find it amusing you never actually want to name the God you like to slander. Your beef isn't really with the little people or the brownies it's with Jehovah you might as well say so.

Besides, if you read your Bible as much as you claim you used to; you'd know it's chock full of people asking "how long o Lord?" If God used laser guided karma to keep things in line it'd be a different story.
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« Reply #163 on: October 27, 2016, 04:59:05 pm »
@Free Vulcan

Are you trying to claim the farm programs where farmers are paid to NOT grow crops has been ended?

I would almost bet you are wrong about the license plate thing,too. All they have to do is put a plate that says "Farm Use" on their trucks and they are legal as long as they are only driving it within a certain distance from their farm. I know some that don't even bother to do that. They just paint "Farm Use" on their tailgates. Most put regular plates on their daily driver new  pu's,but don't bother to tag their flatbeds.

And you second statement defies reality. Unless of course  you believe that a successful farmer doesn't want or need "more money". I guess the rumors about people like Soros and Buffett investing more money for more profits are wrong,because they already have enough money,right?

Not in Iowa. All vehicles must be licensed. And farm conservation programs are not subsidies, they are primarily for erosion control and soil management.

And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity.
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« Reply #164 on: October 27, 2016, 04:59:46 pm »
Yes, which is sort of why the Reformation happened.

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And various religious sects have been seeking to gain the power the Catholic Church had before the Reformation started ever since it ended. The Catholic Church itself never gave up it's quest for world domination. It wasn't that long ago that the loons in Ireland were murdering each other and their families to try to "keep Ireland Catholic". Before that they were allies with the Nazi's during WW-2. Today they are hiding behind the term "Liberation Theology" and Rome is trying to pretend they have never heard of it.

AND,every other religious sect,Christian or otherwise,is also in the mix,trying to grab all the power they can grab for themselves so they can shut down the competition.
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« Reply #165 on: October 27, 2016, 05:04:30 pm »
@Free Vulcan

And various religious sects have been seeking to gain the power the Catholic Church had before the Reformation started ever since it ended. The Catholic Church itself never gave up it's quest for world domination. It wasn't that long ago that the loons in Ireland were murdering each other and their families to try to "keep Ireland Catholic". Before that they were allies with the Nazi's during WW-2. Today they are hiding behind the term "Liberation Theology" and Rome is trying to pretend they have never heard of it.

AND,every other religious sect,Christian or otherwise,is also in the mix,trying to grab all the power they can grab for themselves so they can shut down the competition.
I hardly think that's fair. Many denominations including a growing number of non denominational churches don't have any central organization what so ever to seek any political power with. 

You are free to kick against the pricks @sneakypete , we're not the ones out to get you.
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« Reply #166 on: October 27, 2016, 05:05:15 pm »
It's the difference between a lamentation and a call for a new law.

Look at it this way. If I say "that's a stupid thing to do" that's not the same as saying "that ought to be illegal." Or if I say it would be nice If I could watch prime time TV with my kiddos isn't the same as saying that the government needs to do something about it. Just because people have the right doesn't mean it's a good idea.

I wish modern country music sounded more like country music. That doesn't mean I want the gubmint to mandate every country band have twin fiddles and a steel guitar. What it means is I wish there were more like minded consumers to myself to increase the demand for said product. Be it good ole twangy country or wholesome Andy Griffith kind of TV programming.

As another example. I don't take your hostility for my faith to mean that you the government to stop my from practicing it; same thought applies here.

Just my dos centavos.

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Ok,I can go along with all that as long as you can accept that those are your desires,not a mandate the government should enforce. The problems happen when religious leaders,or any other form of charlatan,decide to grab these issues in order to grab the publicity spotlight,and organizes a "crusade against violence/porn/anti-family values/etc,etc,etc,and the members of his flock pick up the ball and run with it.

When it does happen,the result is crap like Sunday Blue Laws,bans on dancing,and censorship of the media.
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« Reply #167 on: October 27, 2016, 05:05:22 pm »
@Free Vulcan

And various religious sects have been seeking to gain the power the Catholic Church had before the Reformation started ever since it ended. The Catholic Church itself never gave up it's quest for world domination. It wasn't that long ago that the loons in Ireland were murdering each other and their families to try to "keep Ireland Catholic". Before that they were allies with the Nazi's during WW-2. Today they are hiding behind the term "Liberation Theology" and Rome is trying to pretend they have never heard of it.

AND,every other religious sect,Christian or otherwise,is also in the mix,trying to grab all the power they can grab for themselves so they can shut down the competition.

Don't care, I'm not Catholic. Or Mormon. Or any other type of organized religion. My church nor any of the local ones were ever trying to grab power. We mostly were trying to survive the constant onslaught of insults and intimidation by those in our beloved blue collar Union Dem community that hated the existence of Christians, because they thought everyone should be drinking, drugging, whoring, hedonist, cheating, thieving, unbelieving atheists, agnostics and anarchists just like them.
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« Reply #168 on: October 27, 2016, 05:07:21 pm »
Not in Iowa. All vehicles must be licensed. And farm conservation programs are not subsidies, they are primarily for erosion control and soil management.

And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity.

But what about "the months they aren't farming"?
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« Reply #169 on: October 27, 2016, 05:09:01 pm »
And yet, you are quite comfortable with making false assumptions and putting words in my mouth that I don't think, or didn't say, as well as dictating to ME what I should say or think.  If you gripe about my freedom to express myself, perhaps you shouldn't take for granted your right to express yourself.  That's what this forum is all about.

First of all....you're the one that ""took exception"" to what I posted and engaged me in this thread....and essentially proclaimed that my argument or point was "moot".

Secondly, many times when I use the word "you" I actually mean "them" or "they"...my bad....referring to the parents who seek to censor certain shows.  It's nothing personal, even if you chose to take it that way.  And with all due respect, you're the one that seems to be reacting rather emotionally to this entire discussion.  Maybe you should take a step back and breathe...lol.

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I see your intense distaste for having someone say that networks should monitor themselves and not put certain shows on the air.  But don't jump off the cliff and call it censorship or fascism.  It makes you look like you're out of control, and not being rational.

There you go again....another passive aggressive/reacharound insult....tsk tsk.  Even the article concluded that it was CENSORSHIP.  Perhaps you should go back and read it again...?

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Actually, when I read your words of excess I think maybe you're still suffering from TOS PTSD.  Your responses are to people THERE who actually do want censorship, not to the people HERE who are making reasonable arguments for self-censorship and personal responsibility.  The emotion and anger in your posts is not a rational response to the arguments being made here.

Oh for fux sake.  Really???

And again....it's not "self-censorship" if parents (like you?) want a show "off the air".

You're the one that comes off as angry here, musiclady.  Angry and irrational....since I keep having to point out to you the conclusion made in the article posted....and the only conclusion people could make from your own words.  Wanting "disgusting material" off the air is censorship....no matter how vehemently you try to claim otherwise.

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And, IMO, attacking parents who want disgusting material off the air by calling it censorship is also not fair.  I think it's important for people who care about culture rot to continue to speak up.

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And you apparently don't believe there actually are good parents and good kids out there, and for that I feel sorry for you.

Where, exactly, have I ever said that???  My ire is directed at parents that are NOT good parents and yet then blame others for their sucky parenting skills.  And again, there are good kids out there that parents do not have to worry about.  I never claimed otherwise.  And here you go again...with yet another passive-aggressive insult.  Good grief.  Do you just like to fight with everybody?

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btw, my husband and I have taken the subject up with the cable company multiple times.  I still have the right to state an opinion about it here, your protestations notwithstanding.

Lolol!   Simply ah-mazing.
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« Reply #170 on: October 27, 2016, 05:09:08 pm »
I also find it amusing you never actually want to name the God you like to slander. Your beef isn't really with the little people or the brownies it's with Jehovah you might as well say so.

Besides, if you read your Bible as much as you claim you used to; you'd know it's chock full of people asking "how long o Lord?" If God used laser guided karma to keep things in line it'd be a different story.

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You mean there are more than one?

I was speaking out against the one known as Rufus in my last reply to you,but what I said goes for them all,regardless of their alias.

And I prefer my fiction reading to be more entertaining and less violent than the Bible.
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #171 on: October 27, 2016, 05:10:03 pm »
But what about "the months they aren't farming"?

Yeah, I don't know many farmers that have months where they 'aren't farming'. Especially if they have livestock. There is always something to do on the farm. Always.
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #172 on: October 27, 2016, 05:14:29 pm »
Not in Iowa. All vehicles must be licensed. And farm conservation programs are not subsidies, they are primarily for erosion control and soil management.

And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity.

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"And farm conservation programs are not subsidies"

Uh,huh. Pull my finger.

"And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity."

ROFLMAO! Do you know any actual farmers that farm more than a "hobby plot"? I know a couple that are multi-millionaires farming land that has been in their families for over 100 years that do their farming AND hold down 1 full-time job and finances a couple of other enterprises as partners.

Do you REALLY think the big (as opposed to the corporate family farm) corporate farmers limit their profits to the money they pull out of farming,or do you think they invest it in other businesses?
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #173 on: October 27, 2016, 05:14:39 pm »
Yeah, I don't know many farmers that have months where they 'aren't farming'. Especially if they have livestock. There is always something to do on the farm. Always.
It's kind of like months when I'm not gardening...
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Re: 'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups
« Reply #174 on: October 27, 2016, 05:15:05 pm »
Not in Iowa. All vehicles must be licensed. And farm conservation programs are not subsidies, they are primarily for erosion control and soil management.

And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity.

Exemption saves some vehicle-registration fees
http://www.iowafarmertoday.com/news/regional/exemption-saves-some-vehicle-registration-fees/article_bc8c2682-0639-11e1-8b69-001cc4c002e0.html

Buy a $20,000 vehicle to get to work and back, buy groceries and get the kids to practice, and Iowa takes $1,000 in new-vehicle registration fees.

Buy that same $20,000 pickup to run feed from market to farm, and you can keep that $1,000.

The animal-husbandry exemption on new-vehicle registration fees is one of dozens of rebates and waivers the state gives to motorists using Iowa roads.

They range from fuel-tax rebates for farm implements to breaks on registration fees for trucks used for businesses, and registration waivers for trailers  used specifically for displays on patriotic holidays.

The exemptions, refunds and waivers are peppered throughout state code, and there’s no telling how much the state would gain in tax revenue each year if it eliminated them....
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