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‘Rigged’ Talk May Bury the GOP
« on: October 24, 2016, 01:31:25 am »
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/campaigns-elections/rigged-talk-may-bury-gop/

‘Rigged’ Talk May Bury the GOP

NOAH ROTHMAN /

 OCT. 23, 2016

Last week, John Podhoretz noted that Donald Trump’s new claim that the election will be “rigged” against him isn’t new at all, because Trump contends everything is rigged. From the economy, to the nation’s immigration system, to America’s trade deals with foreign powers, to political polling; all are beset by traitors colluding to rob him and his avid supporters of their due. It’s a seductive narrative for a subsection of voters who are inclined to believe a vast conspiracy is the cause of their lot, and it indicates that Donald Trump will be harping on his poisonous theme long after November 8. But that’s the long game. What will be the effects of Trump’s “rigged” talk over the next two weeks? The indications are that this purely self-destructive notion does Trump no immediate good, and may end up taking a lot of Republicans down with him.

For months now, Trump has explicitly asserted that the only way the GOP nominee could lose Pennsylvania—a state that hasn’t gone red in a presidential race in 28 years—is if voter fraud pushes Hillary Clinton over the top. Recently, that rhetoric has taken on a more menacing tone. “We’re going to watch Pennsylvania—go down to certain areas and watch and study—[and] make sure other people don’t come in and vote five times,” Trump said in October, urging his followers to act as poll watchers in what are clearly references to Democrat-voting minority districts in urban areas. “And when I say ‘watch,’ you know what I’m talking about, right?” Trump winked to his followers in Ohio. Surely, many of them do, but how many? Anecdotally, indications are that the cohort that will follow his directive is non-existent.

“There’s a real disconnect between the intensity of the buzz at the national level and anything we’ve seen on the ground,” said Al Schmidt, GOP vice chairman of the Philadelphia election board, in an interview with the New York Times. “We haven’t received a single call from somebody outside Philadelphia looking to be a poll watcher.” A local Ohio Republican official confirmed that interest in registering to monitor activity at polling places was on par with what they had seen in 2012.

Perhaps Trump supporters don’t know (because he has not said) that poll monitoring requires prior registration. Maybe Election Day will be characterized by roving gangs of red-hat-wearing, truncheon-bearing hoodlums descending on minority polling places. That’s the fear expressed by many a hysterical Democrat. The more likely reality is that Trump’s talk of the vote being rigged has had the understandable effect of depressing Republicans. Why would you go out of your way to participate in an election that is already lost to your party and your candidate? Republicans have long feared that Trump would leave the GOP with a gaping hole where its base voters should have been on Election Day. That fear is becoming a reality.

A new ABC News survey released on Sunday showed that the GOP is losing its interest in the election. Last week’s ABC News/Washington Post poll found a dramatic 12-point drop in enthusiasm to vote among Trump-backing Republicans who supported a different candidate in the primary. “Intended participation now has followed,” read Langer Research’s dispatch. “The share of registered Republicans who are likely to vote is down 7 points since mid-October.”

That poll also found that the vast majority of voters believe Trump should accept the results of the election if he loses. 34 percent of self-described Republicans disapprove of Trump’s effort to preemptively delegitimize the election’s results. Another 23 percent of Republicans agree with the majority who say he’s just making excuses for his inevitable loss.

As the bottom has fallen out of Republican confidence, so has the floor under longtime GOP officeholders begun to buckle. The Cook Political Report now lists Republican fixtures in the Congress like John Mica, Darrell Issa, and Scott Garrett in the endangered column. Their races are tossups and, if the GOP doesn’t show up in November, they could lose. That’s especially true for Issa and other California Republicans, who are combatting GOP ennui resulting from the lack of a Republican in the state’s race for U.S. Senate. Both New York Times and FiveThirtyEight forecasters predict the GOP will lose control of the Senate despite the fact that raw polling averages show the race for the upper chamber is a tossup at best.

Voters do not vastly prefer Democrats to Republicans in the “generic congressional ballot” question, and the GOP might be able to generally outperform Donald Trump at the polls. If the GOP’s base voters stay home, however, the result could be a Democratic wave election.

The cratering of GOP support would only serve Trump’s long game. His ego may not survive a national landslide loss in which Republican congressional majorities survive. Trump’s claims of a rigged election may be baseless, but they are not purposeless. Whether intentional or not, the outcome of Trump’s “rigged” talk will bury the GOP along with his presidential campaign.
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Re: ‘Rigged’ Talk May Bury the GOP
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2016, 01:35:51 am »
We told you this would happen.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2016, 01:37:39 am »
According to FiveThirtyEight it looks like GOP turnout is way down.

There is not much enthusiasm for Trump.

An ABC poll says registered Republicans who are likely voters has dropped 7% since mid-October.

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Re: ‘Rigged’ Talk May Bury the GOP
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2016, 01:50:42 am »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Re: ‘Rigged’ Talk May Bury the GOP
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 01:52:39 am »
We can thank Mark Levin for jumping on this disgusting trump train.   As if there has been no voter fraud until now.
As if dead people didn't get FJK elected.  As if 110% voter turnout in Philadelphia is a myth.
If you want to win you have to get enough votes to overcome the fraud and the msm.   It HAS been done.

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2016, 03:30:02 pm »
I think a lot of people needs to read the story about the Boy who Cried Wolf.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2016, 03:32:51 pm »
I personally see no problem with pounding the "rigged" line hard.  But it should be accompanied by arguments for photo I.D.'s, proof of citizenship to register, etc.  Those issues are actually pretty popular with a majority of voters, so pointing out that Democrats oppose common-sense measures to reduce fraud would be a positive.

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2016, 08:05:33 pm »


Avid Trump supporters won't get it.

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2016, 08:10:48 pm »
I personally see no problem with pounding the "rigged" line hard.  But it should be accompanied by arguments for photo I.D.'s, proof of citizenship to register, etc.  Those issues are actually pretty popular with a majority of voters, so pointing out that Democrats oppose common-sense measures to reduce fraud would be a positive.

Most voters are going to see this "rigged" talk as petty whining by a guy who's losing.  It hurts Trump and risks forcing those "first time" voters he says he has to stay home, seeing as how there's no point in voting in a rigged election.

Self-defeating.  But maybe this is what Trump wants.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2016, 08:13:31 pm »
I think Trump probably hit his floor after PussyGate IMO.

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2016, 09:00:11 pm »
Most voters are going to see this "rigged" talk as petty whining by a guy who's losing.  It hurts Trump and risks forcing those "first time" voters he says he has to stay home, seeing as how there's no point in voting in a rigged election.

Self-defeating.  But maybe this is what Trump wants.

I agree that complaining about a "rigged" election without attaching those complaints to specific policy proposals and issues is really just whining.  That's exactly why I said he needed to focus on some very legitimate, long-term concerns about the legitimacy of elections.  Force Hillary to defend the idea of no photo I.D.'s.  Force her to defend no requirement to prove citizenship to register to vote.  Make some ads incorporation documented voter fraud cases.   Those are real issues that have a broad appeal among voters.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2016, 11:21:47 pm »
I agree that complaining about a "rigged" election without attaching those complaints to specific policy proposals and issues is really just whining.  That's exactly why I said he needed to focus on some very legitimate, long-term concerns about the legitimacy of elections.  Force Hillary to defend the idea of no photo I.D.'s.  Force her to defend no requirement to prove citizenship to register to vote.  Make some ads incorporation documented voter fraud cases.   Those are real issues that have a broad appeal among voters.

    Couldn't agree any more, MAJOR, but that requires POLICY DEPTH and not shooting yourself in the foot every time Hillary reloads the gun and hands it to you, these are two traits severely lacking in Trumps DNA.  He crapped himself through the Republican Primary and thought he could do the same in the General, against the best of Campaigners (beaten only by Black Gay Muslim).

    What a Moron.

     If everyday that passes in the next 2 weeks doesn't remind thinking Individuals what a Disaster the Republican Party is, they are beyond Hope anyway. Let them dwell in the Hell they created.
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