Author Topic: Russia or the Neocons: Who endangers American democracy? (Read 4409 times)

HAPPY2BME · « **on:** October 23, 2016, 02:37:34 pm »

Vladimir Golstein
20 hours ago

What is behind this Russophobia? A real Russian threat? A smokescreen intended to cover failed policies of recent administration? The meeting between the Russophobic minds of a particular candidate (Hillary Clinton) and a particular group of voters (neocons)?

I believe that these Joe McCarthy type accusations against both Russia and Trump seem to pursue only one goal: to give the veneer of respectability to the neocons’ and other Republican luminaries’ desertion of their own party. Thus, endless “confessions” of reformed Republicans and hardcore neocons, expressing their born-again zeal for the Democratic Candidate, Hillary Clinton.

The neocons are very public about their desertion, and bear it as a badge of honor. Dubious honor, since in their pursuit of an ideal candidate for their agenda, neocons do not just betray their former party, but the very foundations of American democracy: the two party system.

To any objective observer it is clear that it is not Russia that endangers US democracy but the political corruption, the rule of 1% oligarchy, and mad pursuit of PNAC policies. Even greater danger to democracy lies in the neocons’ desertion to the Hillary camp.

Propping up Hillary as the best embodiment of the failed policies, allowing the same bankers, diplomats, and generals to metastasize into next election and hold the same key positions in the Pentagon, the State Department, CIA or Treasury, is ultimately, the embrace of one party system; it provides a profound disservice to the United States and its democratic tradition.

http://theduran.com/russia-or-the-neocons-who-endangers-american-democracy/

HAPPY2BME · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:38:35 pm »

The Biggest GOP Names Backing Hillary Clinton—So Far

Some of the GOP’s best brains are now With Her. And, according to a source within the Clinton camp, highlighting Republicans who’ve crossed over will be a key fixture in campaign ads this fall.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/the-biggest-gop-names-backing-hillary-clinton-so-far.html

sinkspur · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:42:21 pm »

Who would have thought that our own alt-righter would be pushing the Jews-are-behind-the-hate-Russia meme?

TomSea · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:44:42 pm »

Clinton gave Russia Uranium rights after her speech there, I'm not sure of the details.

Another accusation against Trump turns to dust.

HAPPY2BME · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:45:35 pm »

Quote from: sinkspur on October 23, 2016, 02:42:21 pm

Who would have thought that our own alt-righter would be pushing the Jews-are-behind-the-hate-Russia meme?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcratzFRPek

aligncare · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:47:49 pm »

Quote from: HAPPY2BME on October 23, 2016, 02:38:35 pm

The Biggest GOP Names Backing Hillary Clinton—So Far

Some of the GOP’s best brains are now With Her. And, according to a source within the Clinton camp, highlighting Republicans who’ve crossed over will be a key fixture in campaign ads this fall.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/the-biggest-gop-names-backing-hillary-clinton-so-far.html

aligncare · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:49:35 pm »

#NeverTrump = "Good morning, madam President"

andy58-in-nh · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:56:26 pm »

Consider the source: a pro-Putin website.

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2016, 03:28:13 pm »

Russia, the nation of vodka drinking slobs.

HonestJohn · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:04:21 pm »

What?

Happy's a Putin agent provocateur?

Who would have guessed?

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:06:11 pm »

Quote from: HonestJohn on October 23, 2016, 04:04:21 pm

What?

Happy's a Putin agent provocateur?

Who would have guessed?

In the 80's the left was on the side of Russia..

Flash forward 30 years.. The Alt Right is on the side of Russia..

HonestJohn · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:09:11 pm »

Quote from: kevindavis on October 23, 2016, 04:06:11 pm

In the 80's the left was on the side of Russia..

Flash forward 30 years.. The Alt Right is on the side of Russia..

I did notice that.

dfwgator · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:10:49 pm »

Quote from: kevindavis on October 23, 2016, 04:06:11 pm

In the 80's the left was on the side of Russia..

Flash forward 30 years.. The Alt Right is on the side of Russia..

Today's Russia is closer to Czarist Russia than to the Soviet Union.

Luis Gonzalez · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:14:36 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyxawIuqbjM

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:17:01 pm »

Quote from: dfwgator on October 23, 2016, 04:10:49 pm

Today's Russia is closer to Czarist Russia than to the Soviet Union.

Not really..

TomSea · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:17:24 pm »

If the anti-nominee types name call once again, for posting a source,

Heaven help us, of what we should think of someone posting from Salon and Huffington Post.

HonestJohn · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:18:49 pm »

Quote from: dfwgator on October 23, 2016, 04:10:49 pm

Today's Russia is closer to Czarist Russia than to the Soviet Union.

70% of all spending in the Russian economy *TODAY*... is government spending.

andy58-in-nh · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:28:29 pm »

Quote from: TomSea on October 23, 2016, 04:17:24 pm

If the anti-nominee types name call once again, for posting a source,

Heaven help us, of what we should think of someone posting from Salon and Huffington Post.

Russia is an expansionist power; a military adversary of the United States.

The Huffington Post and Salon are lefty websites. Sheeeesh.

Bunny Watson · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:44:55 pm »

Folks, I just finished reading Secondhand Time by Svetlana Alexeivich. It's beautiful and terrifying all at once. Give it a read to get an understanding of the destruction the USSR wrought upon its people, even in the post-Soviet era. I don't see how Russia can be an ally until that is fixed, and I suspect there will be more bloodshed before that happens. Russia is a danger. The greatest, probably not, but certainly more of a danger than "neocons."

Oceander · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:50:24 pm »

Who? The Clintonistas and the bleep, that's who.

Longmire · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:55:41 pm »

Quote from: TomSea on October 23, 2016, 04:17:24 pm

If the anti-nominee types name call once again, for posting a source,

Heaven help us, of what we should think of someone posting from Salon and Huffington Post.

I generally agree...but there are some reasonable voices on the left calling out the new-McCarthyism employed by the Democrats and their mindless anti-Trump minions also.

Michael Tracy over at TDB comes to mind as one, Katrina vanden Heuvel over at The Nation is another.

Some of this stuff is really in the eye of the beholder.

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2016, 04:57:00 pm »

Quote from: Bunny Watson on October 23, 2016, 04:44:55 pm

Folks, I just finished reading Secondhand Time by Svetlana Alexeivich. It's beautiful and terrifying all at once. Give it a read to get an understanding of the destruction the USSR wrought upon its people, even in the post-Soviet era. I don't see how Russia can be an ally until that is fixed, and I suspect there will be more bloodshed before that happens. Russia is a danger. The greatest, probably not, but certainly more of a danger than "neocons."

Agreed.. My fear is that Russia may try to get Alaska back..