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SUNY professor says Trump win at least 87 percent certain; other polls 'bunk'

Stony Brook, N.Y. — A SUNY professor continues to project Donald Trump as the likely winner of this year's election and he's critiquing polls that predict the opposite in a new opinion piece.

Helmut Norpoth has been predicting a Trump victory since early this year. His model currently projects a win for the Republican with a certainty of 87 to 99 percent.

Norpoth is a professor at Stony Brook University on Long Island.

That flies in the face of just about every other major election forecast out there, which mostly give an edge to Democrat Hillary Clinton, notes the Daily Mail.

Norpoth wrote in The Hill that although the race looks decided, current polling methods are "bunk."

Read More At: http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/helmut_norpoth_donald_trump_victory.html

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Ah, Norputh again, the guy whose model completely ignores the candidates themselves.
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Then again, it's always SUNY in New York.

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SOURCE: Syracuse.com

URL: http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/helmut_norpoth_donald_trump_victory.html

by: Kevin Tampone



Stony Brook, N.Y. — A SUNY professor continues to project Donald Trump as the likely winner of this year's election and he's critiquing polls that predict the opposite in a new opinion piece.

Helmut Norpoth has been predicting a Trump victory since early this year. His model currently projects a win for the Republican with a certainty of 87 to 99 percent.

Norpoth is a professor at Stony Brook University on Long Island.

That flies in the face of just about every other major election forecast out there, which mostly give an edge to Democrat Hillary Clinton, notes the Daily Mail.

Norpoth wrote in The Hill that although the race looks decided, current polling methods are "bunk."

The projections for Clinton are all based on opinion polls, which are flawed because they don't reflect actions, Norpoth wrote. They're about what voters think of Clinton or Trump, but they can't tell us exactly how voters will act on those thoughts.

"It is ingrained in all of us that voting is civic duty," he says. "So nearly all of us say, oh yes, I'll vote, and then many will not follow through."

Instead of opinion polling, Norpoth relies on statistics from candidates' performances in party primaries and patterns in the electoral cycle to forecast results. The model correctly predicted the victor in every presidential election since 1996, according to the Daily Mail.

Running the model on earlier campaigns comes up with the correct outcome for every race since 1912, except the 1960 election.

Norpoth wrote on his site that Trump's victories in early primary states are key predictors of his chances in November. The cycle also favors the GOP after two terms of a Democrat in the White House.

"So hold off on trusting poll-driven proclamations of a Clinton victory just yet," Norpoth wrote in The Hill. "Voters have a way of always getting the last word."

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For those interested in looking at Professor Norpoth's model, here is the site:

THE PRIMARY MODEL: http://primarymodel.com/

FORECAST: http://primarymodel.com/2016-forecast-full/

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Norpoth wrote in The Hill that although the race looks decided, current polling methods are "bunk."


The polls have predicted everything but the weather this year so Norpoth could be right.



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The potency of MJ must be pretty high in NYC.

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87% to 99%??  That's a rather large margin of error.  This is a long-tail election, and - as at least one other pollster has pointed out - in those instances many of the assumptions on which a model is built no longer hold.  Garbage in/garbage out.  The more fruitful approach would be to look at least at that 1960 election and see how it compares to this election.  That was the election in which incumbent VP Richard Nixon ran against JFK.  That was the election in which the first televised general debate between the two candidates for president was held.  That debate was a long-tail event because it involved television for the first time, an unfamiliar medium that Kennedy and his team figured out how to exploit and which Nixon and his team did not.  As a result, Nixon tanked in those debates, and that was seen by millions of people who would otherwise probably not seen either of the candidates in person.  There's a bit of a discussion on the debate here:  http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/kennedy-nixon-debates

This is a similar situation; despite the fact that social media has been around for at least 2 presidential elections, how to use it - and how to manage negative exposure on it - is still being worked out and, furthermore, the republicans - including Trump (giving him the benefit of the doubt) - are woefully behind the democrats in understanding the media, how it works, and how it can be used/managed.

Social media certainly played a role in the 2008 and 2012 elections, but this time around both candidates have gotten onto social media in a way that earlier republican candidates have not.  As a result, it seems to me that social media's role will be crucial to this election in a way it has not been in earlier elections.  And, in this regard, it seems to me that the democrats are still running rings around Trump because Trump's principal foray into social media appears to be his own thumbs on his own phone; he does not appear to have a solid or substantial social media team out there running a social media campaign for him.  The democrats do.

Then there is the partisanship of the mass media.  That partisanship was not nearly as severe, nor as one-sided, in the earlier elections as it has been since the 2000 election; that is when it started to get bad and it's just gotten worse from there.

Then there is the fact that Trump is - as his supporters like to crow - a political neophyte who has never run for office, nor had to fulfill the duties of an office, and who is ostentatiously running against politicians as such.  In all of the earlier elections, both candidates had political experience; they had run for at least one office and they had won at least one office.

Then, there is the fact that Trump has spent more of his time attacking republicans than he has spent attacking Clinton or the democrats.  That was never the case in any of those earlier elections.

Finally, there is the fact that this election has been turned into an intensely personal campaign in which the personalities and personal idiosyncrasies and peccadilloes of the candidates are more important - in terms of the time devoted to them - than are the actual issues.  Compounding this is the fact that there are very serious issues, with dramatically different proposed solutions from each party, and with a lot of people very interested in having those issues resolved.

All in all, this election is substantially different from all of the elections on which the model has been tested and, given that the model is built on the results of those elections and therefore necessarily builds in assumptions based on those statistics, the model almost certainly has substantially less predictive value in this election than it may have had in earlier elections.