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U.S. judge: Ban on transgender bathroom rule is national
« on: October 19, 2016, 03:33:16 pm »
U.S. judge: Ban on transgender bathroom rule is national
    Chuck Lindell American-Statesman Staff
9:50 a.m. Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2016 News
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Clarifying an earlier ruling, a federal judge in Forth Worth said Wednesday that his injunction that barred the Obama administration from enforcing its school directive on transgender bathrooms applied to every state in the nation.

U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor also clarified that his temporary injunction, issued Aug. 21, applied only to the federal directive that schools allow transgender students to use the bathroom and locker room that conforms with their gender identity. It did not otherwise affect the government’s “core missions to combat discrimination based on race, national origin or disability,” he said.

Lawyers for the federal government had asked for the clarification to be issued before Thursday, when it faced a deadline to appeal the injunction.  ...

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said the clarification affirms the principle that Congress, not the president, writes the nation’s laws. ...
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 03:34:25 pm »
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...   It is clear from Supreme Court and Fifth Circuit precedent that this Court has the power to issue a nationwide injunction where appropriate. Both Title IX and Title VII rely on the consistent, uniform application of national standards in education and workplace policy. A nationwide injunction is necessary because the alleged violation extends nationwide," O'Connor wrote. "Should the Court only limit the injunction to the plaintiff states who are a party to this cause of action, the Court risks a 'substantial likelihood that a geographically-limited injunction would be ineffective.'"
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2016, 03:38:39 pm »
'Bout durn time we had some good news.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2016, 03:38:55 pm »
Small bit a good news.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2016, 03:46:41 pm »
That's the thing about Hillary, you know what kind of judges she will appoint.


Maybe not with Trump... better to go with the devil you know or the one you don't?  :shrug:

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2016, 04:08:12 pm »
 
That's the thing about Hillary, you know what kind of judges she will appoint.


Maybe not with Trump... better to go with the devil you know or the one you don't?  :shrug:
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2016, 04:43:09 pm »
judges do not and should not have this kind of power

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2016, 04:46:53 pm »
That's the thing about Hillary, you know what kind of judges she will appoint.


Maybe not with Trump... better to go with the devil you know or the one you don't?  :shrug:

Why would you suppose one NYC liberal would be different from another NYC liberal?

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2016, 04:48:23 pm »
Demon Rats, party of perversion, infanticide, immorality.

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2016, 04:48:28 pm »
Why would you suppose one NYC liberal would be different from another NYC liberal?

I'm not supposing, that's the thing. I'm saying ones known and ones unknown. That's it.

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2016, 12:47:08 am »
Given:
hillary will nominate [for judicial positions] persons who are guaranteed to advance a far-left agenda using the court system.

Not known, but my guess:
Trump nominees will range from middle-of-the-road to conservative, some possibly very conservative (to the point of being strict constructionists).

We know what we're getting from hillary's picks.
The shaft. From each and every one of them.

With Trump, some picks may be good, some fair, perhaps a few poor.

I know which scenario I prefer!
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2016, 02:48:47 am »
judges do not and should not have this kind of power
The Federal judge should have the power to halt the executive branch any time it tries to make such a law. This is what the checks and balances are for. If that is going to be made law, it should come from the Congress so they can be voted out.

I'd like to see the ability to petition to recall any member of Congress, too (by their home district/state)
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2016, 03:14:23 am »
I'm not supposing, that's the thing. I'm saying ones known and ones unknown. That's it.

Both are pretty much known, if you pay attention to what Trump's said over the course of his adult life.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2016, 03:17:35 am »
Both are pretty much known, if you pay attention to what Trump's said over the course of his adult life.


I don't think Trump knows anything about judges and will probably listen to his advisors on that issue. Which is a good thing.

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2016, 03:26:10 am »

I don't think Trump knows anything about judges and will probably listen to his advisors on that issue. Which is a good thing.
That would depend entirely on who is advising him. Yet another unknown.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2016, 01:20:26 pm »
That would depend entirely on who is advising him. Yet another unknown.
True, but which candidate is more likely to have an actual conservative advisor? We know how the Hilldebeaste will pick judges. With any luck, Trump would just say, "This stuff is really boring, you handle it, Mike Pence."  :whistle:
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2016, 01:29:48 pm »
Why would you suppose one NYC liberal would be different from another NYC liberal?

All due respect to Oceander (and that is great) the claim that there is no significant policy difference between the two principle candidates in this election has worn thin and become little more than an oft-repeated trope without substance. It doesn't stand up to rational scrutiny since Trump has already released his list of SCOTUS nominees (of course Hill-O-Lies has refused for the same reason that a dog licks its own organs of excretion).

Trump's SCOTUS nominees all score very high on conservative ratings from virtually every significant conservative group that offers them. If Mark Levin and Mike Pence are willing to take a chance on a nation with Trump as POTUS, that's good enough for me.

Anti-conservative fanatics have united into a cohesive voting block behind Hill-O-Lies. It would be refreshing if self-described conservatives and other normal people would set aside our own doctrinaire,  moralistic, exclusionary proclivities and form an equally-cohesive counter-force in opposition to radical Statist socialism.

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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2016, 03:41:24 pm »
That would depend entirely on who is advising him. Yet another unknown.
I'm still going for Castle, but he's picked Pence and he's not been reigning Pence in on pro life issues and such. Make of that what you will. I think with the terms limits etc he's throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. He has no history of conservative actions.
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2016, 03:44:49 pm »
That's the thing about Hillary, you know what kind of judges she will appoint.


Maybe not with Trump... better to go with the devil you know or the one you don't?  :shrug:

Trump will piss me off 80% of the time.   Hillary will piss me off 100% of the time.

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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2016, 03:59:06 pm »
Trump will piss me off 80% of the time.   Hillary will piss me off 100% of the time.

Well, you might want to look at the actual platform. if trump wants to be reelected, he will have to get the people who voted for him the first time happy, which means he has to get some of the things done that he has promised to get done.

Among the differences between he and Hill-O-Lies are;

- A commitment to strengthening the military - presumably that means building up the Navy again and relying on the Pentagon for use-of-force planning in foreign policy.

-Appointing more conservative justices to the SCOTUS- Since Hill-O-Lies has already signaled that she will send Marxists and only Marxists to Congress this is clearly a strong difference.

- Reducing government regulation - Reining in the EPA, BLM (hopefully both of them), Dept. of Education,  HUD, Commerce Department etc. are on the agenda. Hill-O-Lies plans to expand those agencies massively.

-Tightening immigration controls - Trump's central policy has been to reduce immigration, particularly from nations with large numbers of muzz or poor they are trying to dump onto our own tax base.

- Getting government  off the backs of Christians - Getting the Justice department cleaned out from the numerous anti-Christian rodents in the structure. Hill-O-Lies will go full speed ahead with the Eightball's anti-Christian policies and make them even more oppressive.

-Reducing corrupt, wasteful government subsidy programs - Larry Elder devoted almost an entire show once to this topic. A billionaire real estate developer has no strong ties to the farming industry or to the bureaucracy that supports it with billions in tax give-aways. Trump has a real chance of reforming this horribly wasteful government sector because he has little to lose by doing so - one of the first politicians to come along in a long time that doesn't.

Waste-reform - Lean / 6 Sigma training - Trump has been cozy with Newt Gingrich and may take some advice from him about applying a real effort to eradicate substantial waste from government programs by application of reorganization training used in the private sector and some sectors of the military.

- Supporting law enforcement- Trump has endorsements from LEO organizations and has pledged to support law enforcement by getting the Justice Department off their backs and letting them do their jobs of enforcing the laws on the books instead of suing them and shackling them with insanely anti-police consent decrees and Federal regulations.
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2016, 04:13:08 pm »
That would depend entirely on who is advising him. Yet another unknown.

This is one case to go with the "Devil You Don't Know" over the "Devil You Know". At least with Trump you know he may occasionally get something right.

But even more important,  who is more likely to get away with their shenanigans with a willing media?  Clearly, that's Hillary.  Trump will have to fight tooth-and-nail for everything with the hostile press. So at worst, we'll get Gridlock,  which is preferable to what you get with Hillary.

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2016, 05:40:26 pm »
This is one case to go with the "Devil You Don't Know" over the "Devil You Know". At least with Trump you know he may occasionally get something right.

But even more important,  who is more likely to get away with their shenanigans with a willing media?  Clearly, that's Hillary.  Trump will have to fight tooth-and-nail for everything with the hostile press. So at worst, we'll get Gridlock,  which is preferable to what you get with Hillary.

That is a good rational argument, which I note is wasted on many "anti-Trumpsters" as they describe themselves ( and which in itself says a lot about their psyches). I have noticed that for many of the most adamant opponents to Trump, rational arguments instantly devolve into expositions of and demonstrations of their own feelings, not the facts in evidence.

The argument always boils down to the fact that they personally have no faith in anything or anyone - that the whole primary and general election cycle has been so traumatic and disappointing to them personally that they have felt compelled to retreat into abject nihilism rather than to simply bite the bullet and admit that there is at least a small chance that Trump will be a significantly better president than Hill-O-Lies and rolling the dice.
 
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2016, 06:46:56 pm »
This is one case to go with the "Devil You Don't Know" over the "Devil You Know". At least with Trump you know he may occasionally get something right.

But even more important,  who is more likely to get away with their shenanigans with a willing media?  Clearly, that's Hillary.  Trump will have to fight tooth-and-nail for everything with the hostile press. So at worst, we'll get Gridlock,  which is preferable to what you get with Hillary.
If there is going to be any gridlock, the press won't do it. They might gripe and howl, but they don't sign anything, they don't vote on anything, and they don't get to rule on whether or not a law is Constitutional.
Trump is used to being hostile with the press, so big deal.
He was the moving screen to keep other candidates from getting air time and to smear the one the Dems and GOP were really afraid of. Truly a stalking horse.

The people I want hostile to the Liberal agenda are the Congress.
They have the stroke to stop things from happening.
What I have not seen is that going on, even against the Democrat Disaster we have in the White House, so how on Earth am I to expect ANY resistance to a Trump off the rails from a GOP Congress? They'll suck up on Party Lines and every damnfool liberal idea he comes up with will get fast-tracked. His fans will cheer as the food is pulled from their table, their guns from their hands, and their jobs are sent elsewhere while tariffs raise the cost of everything. If we couldn't get people to see what a POS he is during the primaries and beyond, what makes you think his sycophants and worshipers won't ignore the very proclamations and enactments which bring ruin, even as the walls are collapsing on them?
I read the Party Platform, just like I read it every year since Reagan. If the Party won't follow the Constitution, how can we expect it to follow something so trivial as a set of campaign promises? Trump didn't write that stuff.  If the Party had followed all the wonderful things it said it would do in the past, even with both houses of Congress and the White House, too, the "You are here" arrow would be on the right side of the map. It just hasn't done so, and don't bother looking for that little arrow there.
Nor do I have any faith that he will follow that platform either, especially after a Primary campaign full of lies and deceit, which apparently mirrors his business model. Fuhgeddaboutit.
It will be up to the GOP in Congress, provided they can retain control of at least one of the houses to stop Hillary. That's thin gruel to live on, but that's the future. Better push the down ticket races, because the Republic is going to need every friend it can muster in Congress.

As for reining in the EPA, the very first big promise Trump made was in Iowa, where he said he'd seek to increase the ethanol (Renewable Fuels) mandate, and he'd use the EPA to the fullest extent of the law to enforce it. That sounds like he's going to let the agency get the bit in its teeth, not like it's going to be reined in.

Now either he was lying then, or he's lying now, either place to get votes. That says it all. He has a Liberal History, he will lie to get your vote. Period. You want to trust that, go for it.
Don't snivel to me if he gets elected and follows a different platform, you've been warned.

Me, I much prefer an enemy everyone can see is an enemy, whom everyone will fight from day one, to some one who claims to be a pal who'll stab us all in the back, even as people are singing his 'virtues'. 
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2016, 07:07:06 pm »
If there is going to be any gridlock, the press won't do it. They might gripe and howl, but they don't sign anything, they don't vote on anything, and they don't get to rule on whether or not a law is Constitutional.
Trump is used to being hostile with the press, so big deal.
He was the moving screen to keep other candidates from getting air time and to smear the one the Dems and GOP were really afraid of. Truly a stalking horse.

The people I want hostile to the Liberal agenda are the Congress.
They have the stroke to stop things from happening.
What I have not seen is that going on, even against the Democrat Disaster we have in the White House, so how on Earth am I to expect ANY resistance to a Trump off the rails from a GOP Congress? They'll suck up on Party Lines and every damnfool liberal idea he comes up with will get fast-tracked. His fans will cheer as the food is pulled from their table, their guns from their hands, and their jobs are sent elsewhere while tariffs raise the cost of everything. If we couldn't get people to see what a POS he is during the primaries and beyond, what makes you think his sycophants and worshipers won't ignore the very proclamations and enactments which bring ruin, even as the walls are collapsing on them?
I read the Party Platform, just like I read it every year since Reagan. If the Party won't follow the Constitution, how can we expect it to follow something so trivial as a set of campaign promises? Trump didn't write that stuff.  If the Party had followed all the wonderful things it said it would do in the past, even with both houses of Congress and the White House, too, the "You are here" arrow would be on the right side of the map. It just hasn't done so, and don't bother looking for that little arrow there.
Nor do I have any faith that he will follow that platform either, especially after a Primary campaign full of lies and deceit, which apparently mirrors his business model. Fuhgeddaboutit.
It will be up to the GOP in Congress, provided they can retain control of at least one of the houses to stop Hillary. That's thin gruel to live on, but that's the future. Better push the down ticket races, because the Republic is going to need every friend it can muster in Congress.

As for reining in the EPA, the very first big promise Trump made was in Iowa, where he said he'd seek to increase the ethanol (Renewable Fuels) mandate, and he'd use the EPA to the fullest extent of the law to enforce it. That sounds like he's going to let the agency get the bit in its teeth, not like it's going to be reined in.

Now either he was lying then, or he's lying now, either place to get votes. That says it all. He has a Liberal History, he will lie to get your vote. Period. You want to trust that, go for it.
Don't snivel to me if he gets elected and follows a different platform, you've been warned.

Me, I much prefer an enemy everyone can see is an enemy, whom everyone will fight from day one, to some one who claims to be a pal who'll stab us all in the back, even as people are singing his 'virtues'.

With all due respect (and that is great) strip away all of the peripheral information and logic from your post and you are left with a very simple choice - either one accepts that there is at least a small chance that some uncertainty exists as to whether Trump will be a significantly better president than Hill-o-lies (to claim that there is no chance at all is to claim to be able to see the future, which is to be detached from reality) and then having the moral courage to roll the dice by voting for that option. The only  down side to voting for Trump is that he turns out to be as bad as he seems in the darkest, most pessimistic view, and one is then left with a candidate that by even that estimation, would likely be no worse than Hill-O-lies. The best scenario is that he turns out to be a significantly better president than Hill-O-Lies would surely be.

So one risks virtually nothing substantively by voting for Trump and much to gain on the up side.

On the other hand, by not voting for Trump, the worst scenario is that one helps to ensure that Hill-O-Lies is elected by refusing to vote based on refusal to accept even the small possibility that Trump would be a better president - with the all-but-inevitable result that significant damage will continue to be done to the nation and the world. If one believes that the evidence suggesting that Hill-O-Lies would be disastrous for the nation and the world are identical in strength to that which suggests the same for Trump, then there is nothing to debate.

Oddly the best and worst scenarios are identical in that case. Quite a difference in the best and worst scenarios of voting for either candidate. 

So by all basic logic and reasonable conjecture, refusing to vote for Trump boils down to purely a matter of self-gratification and satisfying angry feelings, not any resolving any objective concern for what is potentially the best thing for the nation. 
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