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Offline Emjay

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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #175 on: October 15, 2016, 05:42:52 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on October 15, 2016, 05:32:16 pm
I don't consider Hillary the lesser of two evils in this election.  I did, previously, consider Trump to be the "lesser of two evils".  But I've had an awakening. 

I consider that both candidates are equally evil and therefore equally bad for the nation in slightly different ways.  Hillary represents the ongoing creeping socialism (communism w/a smiley face) that every Democrat has brought and pushed upon this nation for decades.  Trump, being a New York liberal with absolutely no morals or compunctions about exerting his "power" (due to his wealth) poses a different threat to the nation, via his temper, his lack of diplomacy (nuke em) and his blatant disregard for what is right vs. what Trump wants at any given moment in time.  Trump also represents a big fat unknown factor which could be and probably would be equally as bad as the threat we already know Hillary represents.

Both are evil.  And ....just like you can't be a little bit pregnant or "less' pregnant..... you're either evil or you're not.  There's no less or more about it.

What you say is true.  However, here in the real world refusing to vote for Trump by either not voting or voting third party is going to elect Hillary.

We have to face that and decide.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #176 on: October 15, 2016, 05:50:45 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 15, 2016, 05:16:48 pm
I think Hillary is more about money than ideology. She just found a good combo with the level of sheepish devotion inherent to the left to milk. She will be whatever she can sell to them.

On the other hand, I think she's all about ideology, and always has been, and has found a way to make it pay. 

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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #177 on: October 15, 2016, 05:52:13 pm »
I grew tired of a relative posting pro-Hillary/anti-Trump memes on FB. I finally wrote something like:

Both main candidates are reprobates of the first order. I can write memes of either all day long.

He seems to have stopped. He is back to posting pics of puppies.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #178 on: October 15, 2016, 05:54:34 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on October 15, 2016, 05:42:52 pm
What you say is true.  However, here in the real world refusing to vote for Trump by either not voting or voting third party is going to elect Hillary.

We have to face that and decide.

Hillary will win, no doubt. If I do not vote for her, I did not elect her. Civics 101. People can talk about the only 2 choices thing, but there are multiple choices on every ballot. If enough people choose one of someone not named Trump or Clinton, that person will win.

We are conditioned to believe that it HAS to be one or the other and that just is not true. It may work out that way but it does not have to. If everyone voted for say Castle or even Johnson, they would win.

But instead of voting for someone acceptable, they are voting based on what someone else will fo out of fear.

SCREW FEAR.

If you genuinely do not want Trump or Clinton, do not vote for them. If they win anyway, YOU DID YOUR JOB. YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF OTHERS. Only yourself. It's an anonymous booth. Vote for what you believe in.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #179 on: October 15, 2016, 05:55:48 pm »
Quote from: r9etb on October 15, 2016, 05:50:45 pm
On the other hand, I think she's all about ideology, and always has been, and has found a way to make it pay.

Could be. But at the end of the day, it's the money that matters.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #180 on: October 15, 2016, 06:13:40 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 15, 2016, 05:54:34 pm
Hillary will win, no doubt. If I do not vote for her, I did not elect her. Civics 101. People can talk about the only 2 choices thing, but there are multiple choices on every ballot. If enough people choose one of someone not named Trump or Clinton, that person will win.

We are conditioned to believe that it HAS to be one or the other and that just is not true. It may work out that way but it does not have to. If everyone voted for say Castle or even Johnson, they would win.

But instead of voting for someone acceptable, they are voting based on what someone else will fo out of fear.

SCREW FEAR.

If you genuinely do not want Trump or Clinton, do not vote for them. If they win anyway, YOU DID YOUR JOB. YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF OTHERS. Only yourself. It's an anonymous booth. Vote for what you believe in.

I'm not saying any of us did anything wrong.  I was for Ted Cruz. 

But you can say 'screw fear' all you want but in the world we're living in right now, what I said is true.  Either Hillary or Trump will be elected.

Maybe we can learn from this but we can't paint the roses red on this one.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #181 on: October 15, 2016, 06:19:36 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on October 15, 2016, 06:13:40 pm
I'm not saying any of us did anything wrong.  I was for Ted Cruz. 

But you can say 'screw fear' all you want but in the world we're living in right now, what I said is true.  Either Hillary or Trump will be elected.

Maybe we can learn from this but we can't paint the roses red on this one.

It's not about painting the roses red. It's about doing what is right by the country and electing a serial sex abuser or a marxist is never doing right by ones country. Ever.

Trust me. It is totally possible to walk into a booth after being a loyal Pubbie all your life and voting for someone other than the two top choices. I have done it. And I look at myself in the mirror knowing I did exactly the right thing for the right reason.

So yes. SCREW FEAR.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #182 on: October 15, 2016, 06:24:32 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 15, 2016, 06:19:36 pm
It's not about painting the roses red. It's about doing what is right by the country and electing a serial sex abuser or a marxist is never doing right by ones country. Ever.

Trust me. It is totally possible to walk into a booth after being a loyal Pubbie all your life and voting for someone other than the two top choices. I have done it. And I look at myself in the mirror knowing I did exactly the right thing for the right reason.

So yes. SCREW FEAR.

All righty then.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #183 on: October 15, 2016, 06:27:51 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on October 15, 2016, 05:42:52 pm
What you say is true.  However, here in the real world refusing to vote for Trump by either not voting or voting third party is going to elect Hillary.

We have to face that and decide.

I already have....as noted in my signature line.

My conscience will be clear THIS election....

unlike in 2008 and 2012.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #184 on: October 15, 2016, 06:28:34 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 15, 2016, 05:08:41 pm
I am sooooooo looking forward to the moment they discover how alone in the world they really are. I love Karma.

I might order me a Trump Steak, get a fridge full of Orange Koolaid and try not to choke myself laughing.

Won't buy any Trump wine...no need. Texas winemakers are amazing!
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #185 on: October 15, 2016, 06:31:34 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on October 15, 2016, 06:27:51 pm
I already have....as noted in my signature line.

My conscience will be clear THIS election....

unlike in 2008 and 2012.

My last was 08. There is not a day that passes that I don't regret having voted for McCain. That was to get Palin and we all see what a bad idea THAT turned out to be. Didn't seem like it at the time. But it was. But it was also the last time I ever did and the last time I ever will. I learned my lesson.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #186 on: October 15, 2016, 06:31:39 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on October 15, 2016, 05:05:25 pm
According to the faith militant, either you worship wholeheartedly their prince and pledge your fealty and soul to his victory - or you will be counted among the enemy and 'dealt with' later.

As they are now shouting at the top of their lungs "You are either with us, or against us".

I am against them.

I'm currently rewatching Game of Thrones past episodes.   In the series, if you refuse to pledge fealty to the POS "king"....you get beheaded.  And sometimes, even if you do or did put aside your values and pledge your fealty ....you get beheaded ANYWAY (Ned Stark).  Just as many Christians that have pledged loyalty to ISIS but were still butchered, you can't expect those without honor to display honor.....ever.

I'm against them now, always and forever.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #187 on: October 15, 2016, 06:37:07 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 15, 2016, 06:31:34 pm
My last was 08. There is not a day that passes that I don't regret having voted for McCain. That was to get Palin and we all see what a bad idea THAT turned out to be. Didn't seem like it at the time. But it was. But it was also the last time I ever did and the last time I ever will. I learned my lesson.

It took me a bit longer (I was a bit slow...lol)  to come to my senses and achieve the discernment necessary....

to know that what I was doing was the very definition of insanity....while voting against my conscience, my values and my logic/reason.  Never again.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #188 on: October 15, 2016, 06:40:40 pm »
Quote from: Lando Lincoln on October 15, 2016, 05:52:13 pm
I grew tired of a relative posting pro-Hillary/anti-Trump memes on FB. I finally wrote something like:

Both main candidates are reprobates of the first order. I can write memes of either all day long.

He seems to have stopped. He is back to posting pics of puppies.

Unfollowing" is a good way to shut off the noise without having in unfriend them.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #189 on: October 15, 2016, 06:48:34 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 15, 2016, 06:31:34 pm
My last was 08. There is not a day that passes that I don't regret having voted for McCain.

That's where I parted ways with the pubbies. When Duncan Hunter got booted from the debates, that was it.

Didn't vote McCain, Didn't vote Romney, and certainly will not vote Trump. I would have voted Cruz, or Walker, and was happy that I might be able to vote for a Republican - Turns out, not so much.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #190 on: October 15, 2016, 06:52:44 pm »
Quote from: endicom on October 15, 2016, 12:50:27 pm

Aside from the moles, trolls and donut holes, there seems to be some sincere NeverTrumpers. The latter are not understanding that Hillary intends to make us irretrievably collectivist.

Well, that just means we're going to have to fight her.  Which means we need to retain the GOP Congress.   Screw Trump for failing in that fundamental obligation as the party nominee.   He doesn't care if the Congress stays Republican.   He's only out for himself - and that ought tell you something,  all you eyes-clenched Trump supporters,  about his commitment to conservatism.   

I'm been never-Trump for a long time (an early adopter, as it were),  but there are millions of good Republicans who were willing to listen to Trump's message, even get caught up in it,  and now realize they've been played for chumps.    This is a soap opera now.  Why doesn't Trump ignore the gropemongers and talk up the Clinton e-mails,  and the mendacity being reported on the back page while Trump's Jerry Springer Project is blasted across every top fold?

Good gracious,  we have to get our priorities straight.  Strengthen ourselves to fight on,  not go down in Trump's flames.       
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #191 on: October 15, 2016, 06:58:00 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 15, 2016, 05:01:14 pm
If you are so unconcerned with the impact of TBR then pray tell why are you spending so much time humiliating yourself here in service to Orange Glorious????


Maybe I just like rattling the NeverTrump cage. One little rattle and a half-dozen of you start bouncing off of walls.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #192 on: October 15, 2016, 06:59:46 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on October 15, 2016, 06:52:44 pm
Well, that just means we're going to have to fight her.  Which means we need to retain the GOP Congress.   


You're a comedian, too?
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #193 on: October 15, 2016, 07:00:32 pm »
Quote from: endicom on October 15, 2016, 06:58:00 pm

Maybe I just like rattling the NeverTrump cage. One little rattle and a half-dozen of you start bouncing off of walls.

Oh so trolling in other words.  None of us noticed because of all the panic posting you do. So not only does your political discernment suck, you even fail as a troll.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #194 on: October 15, 2016, 07:01:58 pm »
Quote from: endicom on October 15, 2016, 06:58:00 pm

Maybe I just like rattling the NeverTrump cage. One little rattle and a half-dozen of you start bouncing off of walls.


   Dude if it was profitable or even remarkable all your fellow trumpsters would be in here doing it.


   All but you and the guy that just got a timeout have given up.

   I certainly know how stubborn you trumpsters are.   

   Go ahead, we need the laughs while we mourn deeply for the chance we had in 2016.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #195 on: October 15, 2016, 07:04:20 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on October 15, 2016, 12:56:37 pm
Enjoy President Hillary

Is that the only three words you know?
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #196 on: October 15, 2016, 07:19:12 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on October 15, 2016, 07:04:20 pm
Is that the only three words you know?

The only words you'll hear him say for a while.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #197 on: October 15, 2016, 07:22:17 pm »
Quote from: RAT Patrol on October 15, 2016, 06:25:13 pm
So are you voting for Trump?

Of course I am not.  I'm simply saying that we need to face that fact that our decision not to vote for Trump means Hillary gets elected.

I'm not okay with that but I'm trying to live in the real world.
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« Reply #198 on: October 15, 2016, 07:24:58 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on October 15, 2016, 07:22:17 pm
Of course I am not.  I'm simply saying that we need to face that fact that our decision not to vote for Trump means Hillary gets elected.

I'm not okay with that but I'm trying to live in the real world.

Actually, it doesn't.  There are so many uncommitted and independents who are not going to vote for Trump that your, and my, vote would no longer make a bit of a difference.

Trump succeeded in turning my wife into a Clinton voter even though she has detested Clinton since the Monica Lewinsky era.  That's how bad this election is going to be.
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Re: It's Not an Election. It's a War.
« Reply #199 on: October 15, 2016, 07:33:35 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on October 15, 2016, 07:22:17 pm
Of course I am not.  I'm simply saying that we need to face that fact that our decision not to vote for Trump means Hillary gets elected.

I'm not okay with that but I'm trying to live in the real world.

Not true.  Not true at all. 

If it were truly God's will, as some Trump supporters have claimed, that Trump be the president....

Trump would be the president.  No matter how many of us "here" refuse to vote for him.   I consider both candidates to be evil, so I refuse to believe that God would condemn me for not voting for either of them.  God does not need MY vote for His will to be done.
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