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Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« on: October 12, 2016, 09:56:18 pm »
The American Spectator
Autry J. Pruitt
Oct. 11, 2016

This election is about America’s future, not conservatism’s.

Sunday’s presidential debate got me thinking about a twitter conversation I had this weekend with Jonah Goldberg, a columnist for National Review and other publications. I like Jonah. He’s what I would call an ideological conservative purist. But I break with him on the most critical issue of this election cycle. Jonah and like-minded conservatives refuse to stop trying to help elect Hillary Rodham Clinton president by trashing her opponent.

In his defense, he sees it as standing up for principles and values, which is a good thing. But this conversation made me realize that it is not the left which is threatening to sink America this year; it is the conservative purist who may actually send this country swirling down the crapper.

More... http://spectator.org/memo-to-conservatives-stop-helping-hillary/

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2016, 10:01:21 pm »
I won't vote for Trump, but I won't actively work to sabotage his campaign.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2016, 10:06:19 pm »
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This election is about America’s future, not conservatism’s.
Without conservatism, America as a unique entity has no future.
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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2016, 10:14:03 pm »
Without conservatism, America as a unique entity has no future.

Great post!!   :patriot: :patriot:
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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2016, 10:15:35 pm »
Without conservatism, America as a unique entity has no future.
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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2016, 11:13:02 pm »
Without conservatism, America as a unique entity has no future.

The author said nothing about the end of conservatism.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2016, 11:17:50 pm »
So they are admitting that Trump is not bringing Conservatism but opposing it.

Conservatism is the American Spirit, and if we lose that, we lose everything.

So no, we are not going to 'set that aside' for one man. We oppose Hillary and her tool Trump.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2016, 11:34:21 pm »
So they are admitting that Trump is not bringing Conservatism but opposing it.

Who are 'they?'

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Conservatism is the American Spirit, and if we lose that, we lose everything.

Aside from being a cigarette, 'American Spirit' is mystical nothingness.

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So no, we are not going to 'set that aside' for one man. We oppose Hillary and her tool Trump.

No one has told you to set anything aside. These fuzzy, foggy notions are your imaginings.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2016, 11:41:13 pm »
The only one helping to elect Hitlary is Donny. It wasn't a bunch of purist Conservatives who made his polls tank the last two weeks. It was his terrible first debate, attacking an irrelevant beauty queen from 20 years ago, his outrageous comments on a hot mic, his insistence to attack his own party instead of Hitlary and his bad breath.

Autry Pruitt, other than having a stupid name, is a sniveling loser who doesn't have the mental horsepower to see all of his and Donny's problems are their own.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2016, 04:41:41 am »
it is the conservative purist

Stopped reading right there.

Conservatives TOLD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

Losers.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2016, 05:03:09 am »
Trump has been Hillary's stooge from the start

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2016, 06:50:12 am »
I was told repeatedly that conservative "purists" were neither wanted or needed. Trump said so himself. After all he was going to get the Bernie voters we were told.

Your candidate is an idiot. He doesn't know the first thing about building a coalition. He picks pointless fights fragmenting the groups of people that he needs instead, over and over. It is clear he doesn't learn from it either.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2016, 09:57:55 am »
The American Spectator
Autry J. Pruitt
Oct. 11, 2016

This election is about America’s future, not conservatism’s.

Sunday’s presidential debate got me thinking about a twitter conversation I had this weekend with Jonah Goldberg, a columnist for National Review and other publications. I like Jonah. He’s what I would call an ideological conservative purist. But I break with him on the most critical issue of this election cycle. Jonah and like-minded conservatives refuse to stop trying to help elect Hillary Rodham Clinton president by trashing her opponent.

In his defense, he sees it as standing up for principles and values, which is a good thing. But this conversation made me realize that it is not the left which is threatening to sink America this year; it is the conservative purist who may actually send this country swirling down the crapper.

More... http://spectator.org/memo-to-conservatives-stop-helping-hillary/

"He’s what I would call an ideological conservative purist."

Then you might want to give up writing, Autry,  since your grasp on the definitions of words is severely lacking. I always enjoy leftists telling conservatives what conservative actually is and 'win at any cost' types telling others about purity. Maybe for an encore we can have Donald Trump discuss the rights of women to be free of sexual assault or Hillary lecture us on moral integrity.

But that pales in comparison to people using such idiotic articles to justify their own failings as 'conservatives'.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2016, 10:04:50 am »
I was told repeatedly that conservative "purists" were neither wanted or needed. Trump said so himself. After all he was going to get the Bernie voters we were told.

Your candidate is an idiot. He doesn't know the first thing about building a coalition. He picks pointless fights fragmenting the groups of people that he needs instead, over and over. It is clear he doesn't learn from it either.

Isn't it entertaining how the only people that push the 'purist' line always do so in support of a liberal while demanding purity of support FOR that liberal? I mean lets face it. You never actually encounter a conservative running around with detailed lists of every single position that a candidate must adhere to. Key issues , sure. Thats no different from anyone that actually believes in something enough to stand behind it. But NEVER is there ZERO room for give and take...which is what the word 'purity' implies.

So at the end of the day, any time you see someone trot out the 'purist' meme, it's because they are simply  regurgitating leftist propaganda in an effort to make their liberal candidate acceptable at the expense of principle. It's who they are - it's what they do - it's how we ended up with a House, Senate and candidate that believe in nothing but themselves and their own benefit.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2016, 10:47:35 am »
Memo to Trumpists: the only people here who helped Clinton are the idiots who nominated the one person who could not, and cannot, beat Clinton.  Stop trying to blame other people for your own poor decisions.  When you get drunk, you don't get to blame the designated driver or the friends who begged you to slow down; the same goes for politics. 

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2016, 11:24:54 am »
Memo to Trumpists: the only people here who helped Clinton are the idiots who nominated the one person who could not, and cannot, beat Clinton.  Stop trying to blame other people for your own poor decisions.  When you get drunk, you don't get to blame the designated driver or the friends who begged you to slow down; the same goes for politics.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2016, 01:07:12 pm »
Memo to Trumpists: the only people here who helped Clinton are the idiots who nominated the one person who could not, and cannot, beat Clinton.  Stop trying to blame other people for your own poor decisions.  When you get drunk, you don't get to blame the designated driver or the friends who begged you to slow down; the same goes for politics.

When you are a "leader", you are responsible for everything your organization does, or fails to do.

It's all on Trump...stop blaming everyone else for the failings of his campaign.

BTW, I learned that lesson early on, as an ROTC cadet, and as a young Air Defense Artillery officer...in spades.
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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2016, 01:20:18 pm »
It's a good article, but I think a better point is not so much that the Jonah Goldberg's of the world should be defending Trump, as much as they should be attacking Hillary.  If he doesn't like Trump and won't vote for him or write articles defending him, fine.  But blasting him repeatedly simply makes her look better by comparison, which in turn benefits down-ticket Democrats.

Ignore Trump, blast Hillary.  That should be the mantra for conservatives who care about retaining some ability to restrain Hillary after she is elected.


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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2016, 01:22:03 pm »
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Memo to Trumpists: the only people here who helped Clinton are the idiots who nominated the one person who could not, and cannot, beat Clinton.  Stop trying to blame other people for your own poor decisions.  When you get drunk, you don't get to blame the designated driver or the friends who begged you to slow down; the same goes for politics.
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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2016, 01:36:42 pm »
Without conservatism, America as a unique entity has no future.

This is what the arguments about nevertrumpers don't get.  Trump has made the Republican party the third party.  It is no longer recognizable as a Conservative party.  So there is no way we can vote for Donald Trump who is a Democrat running as Republican.  Both Hillary and Donald are New York liberals.  If we allow this perversion to take over our party it can never be Conservative again.

Today more stories of lewd comments to underage girls.  What Conservative would vote for pedophile in chief?
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2016, 03:22:22 pm »
The American Spectator
Autry J. Pruitt
Oct. 11, 2016

This election is about America’s future, not conservatism’s.

Sunday’s presidential debate got me thinking about a twitter conversation I had this weekend with Jonah Goldberg, a columnist for National Review and other publications. I like Jonah. He’s what I would call an ideological conservative purist. But I break with him on the most critical issue of this election cycle. Jonah and like-minded conservatives refuse to stop trying to help elect Hillary Rodham Clinton president by trashing her opponent.

In his defense, he sees it as standing up for principles and values, which is a good thing. But this conversation made me realize that it is not the left which is threatening to sink America this year; it is the conservative purist who may actually send this country swirling down the crapper.

More... http://spectator.org/memo-to-conservatives-stop-helping-hillary/

Funny how all this crap sounds just like what we heard during the Romney and McCain Establishment Republican presidential campaigns that the Trumpets always complain about. How ironic.

And what does Trump exactly stand for that will be any benefit to America's future? Everything is negotiable.
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Re: Memo to Conservatives: Stop Helping Hillary
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2016, 03:26:02 pm »
The American Spectator
Autry J. Pruitt
Oct. 11, 2016

This election is about America’s future, not conservatism’s.



Sorry Autry, the title of your article should be Principles Be Damned, which seems to be in a critical shortage in 2016.

Trump is not remotely conservative in any form or fashion.   I'll pass.
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