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Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« on: October 11, 2016, 12:58:17 pm »
 Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?

Stories get held at every news organization, but NBC doesn’t look good here, and no amount of finessing will make them look any prettier.

By Jack Shafer

October 10, 2016


As the political world ponders whether the past 72 hours have delivered a fatal knockout blow to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, the nation’s media observers have been bedeviled by a separate question: Why did NBC News hold its story about the uncouth video starring Trump so long that the Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold ended up getting the scoop?

Recorded in 2005 for the NBC-owned Access Hollywood entertainment show, the video captures backstage sexual boasting by Trump to the show’s co-host, Billy Bush, who goads him on. Once NBC News learned that its Trump tape had been leaked to the Post and the paper was preparing a story, the network aired its own story, getting beat by about 10 minutes.

The story has upended the Trump campaign and dominated the opening minutes of Sunday’s presidential debate.

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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2016, 01:14:05 pm »
This tape was intended to be a Halloween kill shot but Trump's strength in the polls spooked them.

Now all they've done is provoked a nest of hornets (minus a few beta bees)  :laugh:

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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2016, 01:17:54 pm »
Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?

Why??? Dumb question. It can't very well be an "October Surprise" if they released it in September, now can it?

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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2016, 01:19:00 pm »
This tape was intended to be a Halloween kill shot but Trump's strength in the polls spooked them.

Now all they've done is provoked a nest of hornets (minus a few beta bees)  :laugh:

35% is hardly a nest of hornets.  More like an ant bed after a rain.

 And this WAS a kill shot.  VOTERS ARE VOTING NOW.  And every poll from here on out will show at least a five point lead for Clinton. 
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2016, 01:29:01 pm »
35% is hardly a nest of hornets.  More like an ant bed after a rain.

 And this WAS a kill shot.  VOTERS ARE VOTING NOW.  And every poll from here on out will show at least a five point lead for Clinton.

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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2016, 01:29:39 pm »
America deserves better.  We have two presidential candidates who are unfit to be president and a liberal media who continues to try to 'sway' the election(s).  The fact that he is a member of the Bush family and now brings this tape to surface is what should really be the question ... why now?  Why didn't he bring it to focus when his cousin Jeb was running in the primaries? 
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2016, 01:32:54 pm »
Is the writer of this new to covering politics?
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2016, 01:37:09 pm »
Perhaps, but it's irrelevant.  NBC's strategy does not change the facts nor excuse them.

The problem is a completely unsuitable person gained the GOP nomination.   We are in a lose - lose scenerio.

Even if the GOP holds the House or the Senate those Republicans in Power will enable Hillarys agenda.  More taxes, more gun control, open borders, funding abortion, and selling America out from under us.

The only fact that really matters at this point is our house is on fire.   Do you want to pour gasoline on it or water?
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2016, 01:42:42 pm »
And this gets you aroused, right?   22222frying pan

"It’s important that Donald Trump and what he represents — this kind of ethnic quote ‘conservatism’ or populism — be so decisively rebuked that the Republican party, the Republican voters learn their lesson that they cannot nominate a man so manifestly unqualified to be president in any way, shape, or form.”  Bret Stephens, WSJ.
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2016, 01:55:26 pm »

If we are going to ask a bunch of why's like that, how about asking why the Republicans did not vet him more thoroughly?  Why did they ignore all the big issues that were already out there in info land?   Partly it was because of Team Trump's intimidation tactics.  You see that on display even now.  Partly it was because they did not care.

The problem is the only vetting the GOP can do of presidential candidates is the ridiculous amalgam of primaries (some open, some winner-take-all, the latter designed to minimize the likelihood of a contested convention that might be able to actually do some vetting) and caucuses, leading up to a big stage-managed meeting of people wearing funny hats.  The primary voters did vet Trump, but their vetting criterion was to select someone to épater les marxistes culturels, rather than someone who was actually fit to be either President or a good Presidential candidate in the general election.
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2016, 01:56:03 pm »
America deserves better.  We have two presidential candidates who are unfit to be president and a liberal media who continues to try to 'sway' the election(s).  The fact that he is a member of the Bush family and now brings this tape to surface is what should really be the question ... why now?  Why didn't he bring it to focus when his cousin Jeb was running in the primaries?

Do you have a source for Billy Bush being the one who leaked the tape to the WP?

You do realize that there were probably many people at Access Hollywood who knew of it and or had access to it? Producers to video editors.... 

And since Billy looks to be soon out of job, and going to have a hard time finding another, it would have been stupid on his part to do so.
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2016, 01:59:26 pm »
"It’s important that Donald Trump and what he represents — this kind of ethnic quote ‘conservatism’ or populism — be so decisively rebuked that the Republican party, the Republican voters learn their lesson that they cannot nominate a man so manifestly unqualified to be president in any way, shape, or form.”  Bret Stephens, WSJ.


That's an interesting quote. But to be fair - the blame resides with all of America. From the morons who elected Nobama to the presstitutes who support the liberal demise of America. They set the stage for our revulsion at what America has become.

Trump is simply a revolting aftershock of the political debauchery that is the Obama Regime. But how and why many have swung to the other extreme of the political garbage dump (Trump) is a little surprising.

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2016, 02:00:00 pm »

 And this WAS a kill shot.  VOTERS ARE VOTING NOW.  And every poll from here on out will show at least a five point lead for Clinton.

What he said.  Mail-in ballets and early voting pretty much mean in a few years the "Oct surprise"  will become the "Sept surprise". 

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2016, 02:36:47 pm »
If we are going to ask a bunch of why's like that, how about asking why the Republicans did not vet him more thoroughly?  Why did they ignore all the big issues that were already out there in info land?   Partly it was because of Team Trump's intimidation tactics.  You see that on display even now.  Partly it was because they did not care.

And partly it is because primary voters saw Trump as a "fighter," who would represent their own dislikes (and hatreds), distrusts, and frustrations.  Trump, it must be admitted, is an overwhelming sort of person, whose very crassness and crudity gives him a sort of invulnerability.  They like that he'll say what they've all wanted to say.  That he neither means nor can do what he says is not the point.  It's the saying that matters.  In many ways, he is the flip side of the Obama coin.

The GOP long ago surrendered any coherent political philosophy.  All that is left to the party is inertia and a predilection for falling under the spell of demagogues.

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Trump is simply a revolting aftershock of the political debauchery that is the Obama Regime. But how and why many have swung to the other extreme of the political garbage dump (Trump) is a little surprising.

I like that: "political debauchery" is a perfect description.

Except it's not surprising.  If you look at the recent heroes of so-called conservatism, you'll see an accelerating movement toward populism and demagoguery. 

Underlying that populism is a host of legitimate complaints and frustrations: the power of media, academia, finance, business, and politics are all in the hands of a relative few, clustered in a few zip codes on the east and west coasts, whose goals provide smug satisfaction to themselves at the expense of many others.

It's the old dynamic of aristocracy vs. the underclass. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2016, 02:54:13 pm »
   You would certainly think NBC would have some loyalty to the Donald since he made them millions with his reality tv crap, Granted they were pissed when he backed out of contract renewal to play the upcoming role of 'reality president', they have probably written off any upcoming contract negotiations with him should this subsequent season become a flop.

   Now the NYT has never had any loyalty to anyone other than their Liberal base and they also have the goods on Donald, and these goods are VERY, VERY Recent, won't be able to explain that as old 11 year old stuff.
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2016, 02:56:47 pm »
What makes news, 'news', is relevancy. If Trump wasn't relevant and it wasn't relevant time, it would be just another pervert.

But due to relevant time, now it is a pervert trying to run the country.

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I like that: "political debauchery" is a perfect description.

Except it's not surprising.  If you look at the recent heroes of so-called conservatism, you'll see an accelerating movement toward populism and demagoguery. 

Underlying that populism is a host of legitimate complaints and frustrations: the power of media, academia, finance, business, and politics are all in the hands of a relative few, clustered in a few zip codes on the east and west coasts, whose goals provide smug satisfaction to themselves at the expense of many others.

It's the old dynamic of aristocracy vs. the underclass.

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The 1935 novel that predicted the rise of Donald Trump

Sinclair Lewis’s It Can’t Happen Here features an antihero who whips up support among angry voters on the back of firebrand rhetoric, fearmongering populism and anti-Mexican sentiment. Sound familiar?

If the US presidential campaign conveys a flavour of unreality, that may be because it is rooted in fiction. In 1935, Sinclair Lewis sat down to write a novel about political radicalisation and social upheaval in the depression-ravaged US. What emerged after four months of feverish work was It Can’t Happen Here, a runaway bestseller that quickly sold more than 300,000 copies.

Lewis was alarmed by what was taking shape in the country. The New Deal had delivered a false sense of optimism to the Federal Reserve, if not to the millions queueing at the soup kitchens. The money supply was tightened in anticipation of a sustained rally, government spending was cut and taxes were raised. As a result, the US was pushed to the cusp of a double-dip depression, with manufacturing back to its 1934 level and unemployment up by 5%.

This created fertile ground for Father Charles Coughlin, Huey Long, William Randolph Hearst and other fanatics to spread the gospel of bigotry. It was no fleeting backlash: on the eve of the second world war, the German American Bund packed more than 20,000 militants into Madison Square Garden in New York for a pro-Hitler rally. To wild applause, their leader, Fritz Kuhn, derided the US President as Franklin D “Rosenfeld”.


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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2016, 04:22:28 pm »
"It’s important that Donald Trump and what he represents — this kind of ethnic quote ‘conservatism’ or populism — be so decisively rebuked that the Republican party, the Republican voters learn their lesson that they cannot nominate a man so manifestly unqualified to be president in any way, shape, or form.”  Bret Stephens, WSJ.

Hillary gets into office and there won't be another election.  The two-party system as we now know it will no longer be.
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2016, 04:30:17 pm »
Hillary gets into office and there won't be another election.  The two-party system as we now know it will no longer be.

Its clear the democrats have no interest in a two party system, and have been working for several decades to see that irritating elections have no chance to interrupt all of their good works.

Sadly, during all this time the Republicans have sat on their thumbs or worse.

IMO Trump would represent only a slowing of the process, just like the Bushes. That is a valid reason to support him but given his utterly disgusting nature I wouldn't fault anyone who disagrees.

I believe our only salvation at this point is a Constitutional Convention of states anyway. And chance of that happening are minuscule, to put it mildly.
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Re: Why Did NBC News Sit on the Trump Tape for So Long?
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2016, 05:12:50 pm »
Hillary gets into office and there won't be another election.  The two-party system as we now know it will no longer be.

I disagree. 

To begin with, the idea that Hillary Clinton can somehow abolish elections is not credible.  If nothing else, the candidacy of Donald Trump represents a latent and widespread dissatisfaction and opposition that neither she nor her party could actually contain.

That said, certainly the two parties as we know them have reached the end of the road.  The interests of those who control both parties no longer correspond to those of the people who, mainly through habit, have claimed to belong to them.  The Democrat party mainly serves the very rich and powerful of this country, and can no longer plausibly portray itself as the party of the poor and oppressed.  The GOP ... well, it has apparently ceased to stand for much at all, beyond putative opposition to the Democrats. 

Hence the effective candidacies of Sanders and Trump, whose main attraction lies in the perception that they're not of either party.

Thus I can imagine some sort of reshuffling of the two-party system into combinations that serve: Party A - normal people, whose numbers are great but whose influence is small; and Party B - "the elite," whose influence is great but whose numbers are small.

In temperament, inclination, and underlying moral bases, those who identify as conservatives would fall mainly into "Party A," although those typified by the bigotry that overtook TOS would likely drift toward into a cranky and ineffectual know-nothing sort of party, just as those who supported Sanders will drift into a cranky and ineffectual socialist wing.

That's how I see the two-party structure shaking out ... though it will take a period of crisis to make it happen.  That, unfortunately, is nearly upon us, thanks to the utter incompetence of the current administration, and the utter unfitness of either of the current candidates.

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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2016, 10:48:38 pm »
And this gets you aroused, right?   22222frying pan

Are you happy now?  The GOP has been blown up, as you so wanted at the start of this election cycle.

Your fondest political wish made reality... you should be ecstatic, yes?
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