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By DAVID ROTHSCHILD and SHARAD GOEL OCT. 5, 2016


As anyone who follows election polling can tell you, when you survey 1,000 people, the margin of error is plus or minus three percentage points. This roughly means that 95 percent of the time, the survey estimate should be within three percentage points of the true answer.

If 54 percent of people support Hillary Clinton, the survey estimate might be as high as 57 percent or as low as 51 percent, but it is unlikely to be 49 percent. This truism of modern polling, heralded as one of the great success stories of statistics, is included in textbooks and taught in college classes, including our own.

But the real-world margin of error of election polls is not three percentage points. It is about twice as big.

In a new paper with Andrew Gelman and Houshmand Shirani-Mehr, we examined 4,221 late-campaign polls — every public poll we could find — for 608 state-level presidential, Senate and governor’s races between 1998 and 2014. Comparing those polls’ results with actual electoral results, we find the historical margin of error is plus or minus six to seven percentage points. (Yes, that’s an error range of 12 to 14 points, not the typically reported 6 or 7.)

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Which means unless you get a prediction of a colossal landslide at the polls. You might as well not fret the polls and focus on the issues.
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How about voting on gay marriage in North Carolina, the polls said it was a close split, then, the against side won 63% of the vote, Hillary was suppose to win Michigan but Sanders upset her.
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Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has won the Michigan Democratic primary, according to the Associated Press, narrowly defeating Hillary Clinton in a stunning upset.

Clinton had been widely expected to win the Rust Belt state, having led Sanders by double digits in polls leading up to Tuesday's primary.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/politico-breaking-news-sanders-wins-michigan-220460#ixzz4MEcBhejd

That said, the polls are still a fairly good gauge and the author's assertion is probably so.
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You might as well not fret the polls and focus on the issues.

Exactly. Now let's get back to talking about Donny's #1 issue.......that Ms. Universe from 20 years ago.

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Exactly. Now let's get back to talking about Donny's #1 issue.......that Ms. Universe from 20 years ago.
I'd rather look at her than Hillary... just sayin'.
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