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Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« on: October 05, 2016, 12:42:20 pm »
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299342-trump-wins-momentum-boost-from-pence-with-kaine-assist

By Niall Stanage  | October 05, 2016, 12:09 am

Donald Trump got help from an unexpected quarter on Tuesday night as Hillary Clinton's running mate, Tim Kaine, delivered an uneven performance in the year's sole vice presidential debate.

Stylistically at least, Trump's vice presidential nominee, Mike Pence, was the clear winner of the encounter, held at Longwood University in Farmville, Va. His superiority was especially clear in the early stages. Pence was steady and controlled in those crucial moments while Kaine interrupted and appeared overly aggressive, even to independent observers.

Pence defended his running mate's more controversial statements where he could and danced away from other issues with a shake of his head.
Some of those dissenting gestures could become problematic later; Pence appeared to deny things that Trump had, in fact, done or said, such as praising Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Overall, however, Pence showed the kind of focus that was widely felt to be lacking in Trump's own performance in his first clash with Clinton last week.

Pence's apparent victory is unlikely to change the trajectory of the race in a fundamental way. But it does at least turn the page after a miserable period for Trump. Now, much will hinge on the second Trump-Clinton bout, which takes place Sunday in St. Louis.

Trump's poll numbers have fallen over the eight days since his first presidential debate, a period also marked by a feud with a former Miss Universe and a damaging New York Times exposé of his tax affairs.

But before that first debate, Trump had almost erased a once-comfortable Clinton lead. Given the unprecedented nature of this year’s campaign, it’s possible that the race has a twist or two more still to come.

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2016, 01:00:46 pm »
Dr. Pence did everything he could to resuscitate his dying patient, and performed admirably in many ways.  But the patient's lifelong unhealthy habits and propensity for suicide upon recovery make this a nearly-impossible task.
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2016, 01:06:02 pm »
I've been waiting for some sort of news on last night's debate, having not watched. Pence doing well explains why I haven't heard anything.

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2016, 01:08:01 pm »
Dr. Pence did everything he could to resuscitate his dying patient, and performed admirably in many ways.  But the patient's lifelong unhealthy habits and propensity for suicide upon recovery make this a nearly-impossible task.

LOL :silly:

The assessment of the debate this morning seems pretty universal that Pence won.  Some say it helps Trump, others not.  But Kaine definitely hurt Hillary.

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2016, 01:09:39 pm »
I've been waiting for some sort of news on last night's debate, having not watched. Pence doing well explains why I haven't heard anything.

Even the Washington Compost gives the debate to Pence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/04/winners-and-losers-from-the-vice-presidential-debate/
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2016, 01:16:28 pm »
Given the respective ages of the Presidential candidates and questions about Mrs. Clinton's health, the choice of VP takes on added meaning.

Trump's choice of Mike Pence demonstrates his ability to find and hire great people, while Clinton's choice of a hack like Tim Kaine demonstrates the opposite.


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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2016, 01:25:33 pm »
Given the respective ages of the Presidential candidates and questions about Mrs. Clinton's health, the choice of VP takes on added meaning.

Trump's choice of Mike Pence demonstrates his ability to find and hire great people, while Clinton's choice of a hack like Tim Kaine demonstrates the opposite.

Except that Pence apparently was defending someone who doesn't exist.  I didn't watch the debate, but the consensus is he actually DENIED that Trump said things he actually said.  That'll be in a Democrat ad before the day is out.  And to the extent that this is part of the story, Trump didn't come out so hot.

And, as the commentary continues that Pence was much better than Trump, look for some left-handed slap at Pence from Trump before the week is out.
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2016, 01:31:32 pm »
Except that Pence apparently was defending someone who doesn't exist.  I didn't watch the debate, but the consensus is he actually DENIED that Trump said things he actually said.  That'll be in a Democrat ad before the day is out.  And to the extent that this is part of the story, Trump didn't come out so hot.

And, as the commentary continues that Pence was much better than Trump, look for some left-handed slap at Pence from Trump before the week is out.

By looking good, Pence hurt the boss in the boss' eyes.
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2016, 01:34:58 pm »
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2016, 01:38:07 pm »
LOL :silly:

The assessment of the debate this morning seems pretty universal that Pence won.  Some say it helps Trump, others not.  But Kaine definitely hurt Hillary.

I'm not sure that Kaine hurt Hillary.  Although Kaine looked bad personally, he kept Trump's history in the spotlight and Hillary's history out of it, IMO.  Conversely Pence looked good personally, but the Republican ticket could easily lose the post-debate spin; either Pence looks better than Trump, or Pence left the anti-Trump arguments on the table, either of which Trump can't stand.  Trump will likely say something narcissistic and stupid, forfeiting the good Pence did for the ticket last night.

As we already see many will try to attach Pence's credit to Trump, by arguing that Trump made such a good selection for VP.  Well if Trump promises today that he'll step down immediately upon taking the oath and hand it all to Pence, he'll get my vote.
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2016, 01:54:27 pm »
I'm not sure that Kaine hurt Hillary.  Although Kaine looked bad personally, he kept Trump's history in the spotlight and Hillary's history out of it, IMO.  Conversely Pence looked good personally, but the Republican ticket could easily lose the post-debate spin; either Pence looks better than Trump, or Pence left the anti-Trump arguments on the table, either of which Trump can't stand.  Trump will likely say something narcissistic and stupid, forfeiting the good Pence did for the ticket last night.

As we already see many will try to attach Pence's credit to Trump, by arguing that Trump made such a good selection for VP.  Well if Trump promises today that he'll step down immediately upon taking the oath and hand it all to Pence, he'll get my vote.

To me Trump's history and statements is such a known quantity that the media is all over, Kaine's reiterating the narrative neither helps nor hurts.  But his behavior during the debate came across as impatient, childish, rude, smarmy, and a number of other adjectives that aren't helpful.  He makes Hillary's choice for VP look very questionable.

But it's just my opinion.


As far as Trumps response, your assessment being right would not surprise me.
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2016, 01:56:24 pm »
Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol  1h1 hour ago
I've been critical of @GovPenceIN as VP candidate, but I do want to congratulate him for throwing @realDonaldTrump under the bus last night.

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2016, 01:59:09 pm »
To me Trump's history and statements is such a known quantity that the media is all over, Kaine's reiterating the narrative neither helps nor hurts.  But his behavior during the debate came across as impatient, childish, rude, smarmy, and a number of other adjectives that aren't helpful.  He makes Hillary's choice for VP look very questionable.

But it's just my opinion.


As far as Trumps response, your assessment being right would not surprise me.

That's a very good point @Just_Victor.  While Trump's lunacy has already been "discounted by the market", Kaine's behavior is new information, and might have greater influence, at least in the short term.  Excellent observation.
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2016, 02:05:57 pm »
Erick Erickson ‏@EWErickson  9h9 hours ago
Has someone started the clock to time how long it takes before Trump makes a passive aggressive remark about Pence?


Erick Erickson ‏@EWErickson  9h9 hours ago
If you don't yet realize the Trump campaign is a cult of personality, note on social media that Pence did better than him and watch.

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2016, 02:25:33 pm »
Since when does the second banana debate mean squat in a Presidential race? It doesn't.

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2016, 02:54:44 pm »

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Dear Lord, you scared the bejeebus outta me.

I should probably gird myself for the real tweet though.

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2016, 02:59:53 pm »
Given the respective ages of the Presidential candidates and questions about Mrs. Clinton's health, the choice of VP takes on added meaning.

 

It sure does.  Kaine would only be a "heartbeat away". 

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2016, 03:02:02 pm »
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Dear Lord, you scared the bejeebus outta me.

I should probably gird myself for the real tweet though.

Yeah I thought it was real also.  The giveaway is "I will be much better on Sunday night."  That would mean acknowledging that his first debate performance was something less than "brilliant" and "genius", which is clearly not in DT's thinking.
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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2016, 03:05:51 pm »
Is it just me.....

or does Kaine kinda look like a demented Halloween horror movie B-actor?   He's got that evil grin..... which usually comes right before the stab.
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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2016, 03:06:44 pm »
Is it just me.....

or does Kaine kinda look like a demented Halloween horror movie B-actor?   He's got that evil grin..... which usually comes right before the stab.

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It's not just you, lol.  I was actually freaked out when I saw that pic.

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2016, 03:07:30 pm »
Given the respective ages of the Presidential candidates and questions about Mrs. Clinton's health, the choice of VP takes on added meaning.



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Maybe.

 I watched the debate last night and, although I agree Pence did pretty well, it will depend on what Trump does now going forward

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Re: Trump wins momentum boost from Pence — with Kaine assist
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2016, 03:13:15 pm »
VP debates are quickly forgotten. If Trump doesn't follow up with a stellar performance, and that includes having a clear grasp of the issues, the only debate that anyone will be discussing in a week is another debate Trump comes out the loser.
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2016, 03:24:38 pm »
@XenaLee

It's not just you, lol.  I was actually freaked out when I saw that pic.

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