Giuliani: 'Everybody' has history of infidelity

[Resp3]

I'm not really concerned about the simple issues of broken vows of marriage concept because they are only as good as the person making the vow and for most, it is tradition, not contractual in a legal or moral sense....

... what I'm concerned with more is the same concern many had with Bill Clinton. When someone plays around as much as they both have (and Trump bragged about it a lot), that leaves him very open to blackmail and extortion.

Trump's advantage on the subject though is he doesn't deny it. He brags about it. He bragged he got more tail than Hugh Hefner. So nothing coming out of the woodwork would be a surprise, even a few little orange illegitimate ones.

Trump is a sleaze. His own admissions (probably fabricated bragging more than actual (mis)deeds) prove this out. But who's going to make political points off of this? Clinton?

(insert hysterical laughing emoticon/gif here)

What a sad and sorry state of affairs for America. As a nation; have we truly sunk to such a depraved level of societal debauchery that we actually deserve one of these two scumballs as president?

[ABX]

Stupid attack there.    Liking the current code has nothing to do with it.  What he did was legal.  Do you follow current tax code?  Perhaps we should all be condemning you.

What I'm surprised about is that he had a billion dollars to lose.

The issue here really isn't that he avoided paying taxes, at least if you get past that (which is a good story for the unwashed masses)...

..the real story here is his constant massive failures, debt, and bailouts.  People claim he is the greatest businessman but in reality, he has been lucky and has taken advantage of his name and ability to leverage debt.

By 1990, Trump had run up so much debt on his properties, he was on the verge of collapse and had to be bailed out by the government and Wall Street for billions of dollars.  http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/72/Trump-Organization.html

After that bailout... just a few years later, he ran up almost another billion dollars in debt. What this story doesn't say is who bailed him out.. this time it was the Saudis.. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/12/business/trump-is-selling-plaza-hotel-to-saudi-and-asian-investors.html

..and so on and so on... again in 2008 he needed another bailout, this time from George Soros (Fortress Investments). http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2706255/posts

These weren't his only bailouts. At that, it was a constant pattern of running up debt and getting bailed out. He was shifting around his failed ventures to pile his debt up, then leverage it against his larger properties, then get bailed out or in a few cases, go bankrupt.

To put this in layman's terms, he is like the guy who keeps paying off his credit cards with new credit cards over and over again, then either getting those written off, going bankrupt, or bumming the money to pay them from high interest, kneecap breaker loan sharks.

If he didn't have several billion dollars worth of properties and his NBC partnership, he probably would be asking people what size fries they want with their Big Mac.

The real story here isn't he didn't pay taxes, it is that, based on his constant need for bailouts, using his own standards to attack others (like he did Cruz), he is literally owned by everyone we see as who you don't want to be owned by.

[Emjay]

Wrong.

It is so wrong.  I had a long marriage with no infidelity on either side.  We had other couple friends who had the same kind of marriages.

Rudy lives in another universe, one I don't want to live in.

[XenaLee]

October 02, 2016, 12:17 pm
Giuliani: 'Everybody' has history of infidelity

By Jessie Hellmann

"Everybody" has a history of infidelity, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) said on Sunday.

Speaking on NBC's "Meet the Press," Giuliani, an adviser to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, stood by his earlier statement that Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton is too stupid to be president if she didn't know former President Bill Clinton was cheating on her.

"Are you the right person to level this charge?" host Chuck Todd asked Giuliani, who has been married three times.

"Yeah, I'm the right person to level this charge, because I've never made such a charge, and I've prosecuted people who've committed rape," Giuliani responded.

"But your past, you have your own infidelity charge," Todd replied.

"Well, everybody does. And I'm a Roman Catholic, and I confess those things to my priest. But I've never, ever attacked someone who's been the victim," Giuliani said. 

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298887-giuliani-everybody-does-have-past-of-infidelity

Wow.  It's getting so bad that you can't tell reality from satire these days.  Rudy is just one more person that I have lost ALL respect for.  And the logic escapes Rudy, obviously.  If "everybody" does it (a complete lie)...then why are you attacking Hillary over it?  It makes no sense.

[Resp3]

..and so on and so on... again in 2008 he needed another bailout, this time from George Soros (Fortress Investments). http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2706255/posts

Heh. Better hard-drive that link. I'm surprised the Trumpwads at FR haven't found that thread and zotted it as it violates their current knee pad devotion to Donald.

[mirraflake]

'Everybody' has history of infidelity"

I was (am) a hedonistic horn dog and never cheated on any girlfriend nor my one and only wife.

[XenaLee]

Tip: stay away from wineries & wine bars. I've been propositioned at both...lol.

Usually, my wife goes with me, but she doesn't enjoy it as much as I do. I really enjoy engaging in conversation, no matter where I go.

My daughter and I went out last Saturday, to pick up our bimonthly wine club selections, and we had a great time, sharing a bottle of red and just talking. I need to update The Vineyard thread, for those that live in DFW. Lost Oak's got a few new additions to their wine list, and there's a good reason for joining their wine club.

Yes, please do.  I like wine and my best friend is coming for the holidays and she likes wine too.  I haven't really been "out" since I moved here, but wine sounds lovely....and much less expensive than the Outback's "sugar plum martini" that I'm hooked on...lol.

[Resp3]

Heh. Better hard-drive that link. I'm surprised the Trumpwads at FR haven't found that thread and zotted it as it violates their current knee pad devotion to Donald.

That really is a great thread. One really smart guy had this to say....


To: Impy; Clintonfatigued; justiceseeker93; GOPsterinMA; randita; AuH2ORepublican; dirtboy

RE :”I didn’t take him seriously from the get go”
Someone called CSPAN this weekend and reminded me (viewers) how Trump did an act on WWF where he had a fake show feud with bad guy Vince McMahon(WWF/WWE). It ended up with McMahon getting shaved.
Donald Trump Slaps Vince McMahon: WWE match heats up, Mar 28, 2007
Now is he having a similar fake feud with Obama?

The more I see ‘conservatives’ ?? get ga-ga over showman like Trump as president (to fill the vacuum)the more convinced I am that Obama will be re-elected. Trump is just a rich corporatist/liberal who doesn't want Obama to raise his taxes.


121 posted on ‎4‎/‎18‎/‎2011‎ ‎7‎:‎36‎:‎44‎ ‎AM by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2706255/posts?page=121#121

@sickoflibs

[XenaLee]

Heh. Better hard-drive that link. I'm surprised the Trumpwads at FR haven't found that thread and zotted it as it violates their current knee pad devotion to Donald.

The Trump camp has been vicious in their defense of the Trump/Soros connection.  If they notice that thread (would be fun to bump it...hehehe)....it will be zotted.  Can't have any pesky things like truth/facts out there, ya know.

[mirraflake]

Norm, I'm still feeling guilt over the way I broke up with a woman after I met the woman whom I would eventually marry.

I treated an old GF from 35 years ago badly-didn't cheat on her or beat her etc..just used her, took her for granted, never bought her gifts on special occasionsetc-that sort of thing. I was a terrible BF to her.

Like you I had extreme guilt over the relationship. Few years back found her on FB and sent a heartfelt apology, she accepted now we are FB friends and both of us are happily married.

It felt great to get that off my chest to her because I never treated  other women that way.

@Night Hides Not

[driftdiver]

The issue here really isn't that he avoided paying taxes, at least if you get past that (which is a good story for the unwashed masses)...

..the real story here is his constant massive failures, debt, and bailouts.  People claim he is the greatest businessman but in reality, he has been lucky and has taken advantage of his name and ability to leverage debt.

By 1990, Trump had run up so much debt on his properties, he was on the verge of collapse and had to be bailed out by the government and Wall Street for billions of dollars.  http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/72/Trump-Organization.html

After that bailout... just a few years later, he ran up almost another billion dollars in debt. What this story doesn't say is who bailed him out.. this time it was the Saudis.. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/12/business/trump-is-selling-plaza-hotel-to-saudi-and-asian-investors.html

..and so on and so on... again in 2008 he needed another bailout, this time from George Soros (Fortress Investments). http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2706255/posts

These weren't his only bailouts. At that, it was a constant pattern of running up debt and getting bailed out. He was shifting around his failed ventures to pile his debt up, then leverage it against his larger properties, then get bailed out or in a few cases, go bankrupt.

To put this in layman's terms, he is like the guy who keeps paying off his credit cards with new credit cards over and over again, then either getting those written off, going bankrupt, or bumming the money to pay them from high interest, kneecap breaker loan sharks.

If he didn't have several billion dollars worth of properties and his NBC partnership, he probably would be asking people what size fries they want with their Big Mac.

The real story here isn't he didn't pay taxes, it is that, based on his constant need for bailouts, using his own standards to attack others (like he did Cruz), he is literally owned by everyone we see as who you don't want to be owned by.

And yet nobody on a national level has even raised the issue of his business acumen or even where he got all this money he lost.

[XenaLee]

The issue here really isn't that he avoided paying taxes, at least if you get past that (which is a good story for the unwashed masses)...

..the real story here is his constant massive failures, debt, and bailouts.  People claim he is the greatest businessman but in reality, he has been lucky and has taken advantage of his name and ability to leverage debt.

By 1990, Trump had run up so much debt on his properties, he was on the verge of collapse and had to be bailed out by the government and Wall Street for billions of dollars.  http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/72/Trump-Organization.html

After that bailout... just a few years later, he ran up almost another billion dollars in debt. What this story doesn't say is who bailed him out.. this time it was the Saudis.. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/12/business/trump-is-selling-plaza-hotel-to-saudi-and-asian-investors.html

..and so on and so on... again in 2008 he needed another bailout, this time from George Soros (Fortress Investments). http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2706255/posts

These weren't his only bailouts. At that, it was a constant pattern of running up debt and getting bailed out. He was shifting around his failed ventures to pile his debt up, then leverage it against his larger properties, then get bailed out or in a few cases, go bankrupt.

To put this in layman's terms, he is like the guy who keeps paying off his credit cards with new credit cards over and over again, then either getting those written off, going bankrupt, or bumming the money to pay them from high interest, kneecap breaker loan sharks.

If he didn't have several billion dollars worth of properties and his NBC partnership, he probably would be asking people what size fries they want with their Big Mac.

The real story here isn't he didn't pay taxes, it is that, based on his constant need for bailouts, using his own standards to attack others (like he did Cruz), he is literally owned by everyone we see as who you don't want to be owned by.

These are only pertinent facts (re: all the bailouts) if one is not a Trumpocrat.  They won't care about it since they have their own agenda to carry out.  But if the average voter planning on voting for Trump knew all of this, they would change their mind post haste.  Trump is already a loser....and as more of these stories "leak" out over the remainder of this month....more and more voters will tune out and turn off to the Trump brand.  He's a dead man walking in this race.

[geronl]

Rudy is very liberal

[ABX]

And yet nobody on a national level has even raised the issue of his business acumen or even where he got all this money he lost.

They have but then the story is buried by imaginary rabbits or national enquirer level crap. Why do you think there are so many bogus stories pushed via fake sites, nutty conspiracy stuff, or tertiary stories? You bog down the news feed with so many imaginary rabbits, you don't know what to chase. Even here, look at the threads about 'sex tapes', they get hundreds of comments while threads about minutia of business dealings are often blown off. You really can't blame people, the former is more interesting.

I and others have brought up his business history as his biggest damning issue for over a year, since he first started running, and it was blown off as unimportant.

[ABX]

The Trump camp has been vicious in their defense of the Trump/Soros connection.  If they notice that thread (would be fun to bump it...hehehe)....it will be zotted.  Can't have any pesky things like truth/facts out there, ya know.

The funny part though is you can find threads from 2011 and 2012 and most were all over Trump as being a liberal con, Soros butt-buddy. Even Jim hated him then.

The only thing that changed is hope for change. They are hoping for change so much, they care more about the game than their values.

[ABX]

Heh. Better hard-drive that link. I'm surprised the Trumpwads at FR haven't found that thread and zotted it as it violates their current knee pad devotion to Donald.

I love this one:

To: seekthetruth

Finding out here at FR that The Donald has ties to George Soros is a deal breaker for me. Glenn Beck may be a drama queen many times but he knew about George Soros. On the other hand, everything trying to help Terri Schiavo knew about George Soros way back in 2003.

129 posted on 4/18/2011, 12:58:29 PM by floriduh voter

Now, this person is a big Trump supporter calling down the zots of anyone who questions him.

[goatprairie]

People who say "Everybody does it" are pretty much always looking to excuse their own guilt.

Yes. Giuliani should have just said "nobody's perfect," and let it go at that. The problem with social liberals, like Giuliani, is that they "define deviancy down" to fit their own low morals. That's why many people loved Slick Willy....if the president can be a pig and get away with it, I'm guess I'm alright.  It's expecting the worst in people and then rationalizing it when they meet your expectations.

[geronl]

. The problem with social liberals, like Giuliani, is that they "define deviancy down" to fit their own low morals.

and Rudy's morals are extremely low.

[montanajoe]

Stupid attack there.    Liking the current code has nothing to do with it.  What he did was legal.  Do you follow current tax code?  Perhaps we should all be condemning you.

What I'm surprised about is that he had a billion dollars to lose.

@driftdriver

Sorry but my definition of capitalism does not include the government propping up a failed business to the tune of a billion bucks for 15 years. Capitalism gets rid of the dead wood by weeding out enterprises that cannot  make it.

Maybe in Trumps America a capitalist feeds at the government trough for 15 years but that kind of thinking surely was not what built this country...

[GtHawk]

In the 41 years to date of my marriage the closest I have come to infidelity is some brief visual admiration of some of God's handiwork of the female form, I don't think that falls to the level of the serial adulterers. It sounds like Giuliani is just as morally bankrupt as the clown he is defending.

[DB]

No, everyone does not cheat on their spouse. No wonder he's been married multiple times. In their mind because they do it, everyone must do it. It gives them an excuse. Trump brings out the worst in people over and over.

[catfish1957]

Sorry Rudy, you are an idiot.....

33 years of marriage here, zero affairs.