New York Times Publishes Tax Returns of a Private Citizen, in Shallow Attempt To Assist Hillary Clinton…

[HAPPY2BME]

Posted on October 2, 2016   
by sundance

The New York Times has published part of the tax returns of a private citizen in an effort to score political points for a candidate they endorse, Hillary Clinton.  That should be the real headline people pause and think about.

The anti-Trump political angle is easily identifiable within the extensive article use of: “could have”, “might be”, “may have”, phrases used throughout the woven narrative.  Journalistic “narratives” are rarely based on facts.

The identified $916 million single year operating income loss is no different than current losses of Amazon, Facebook, Twitter and a host of other corporations and businesses.

The vast majority of Americans just don’t like, appreciate or condone the publication of legally bound private information, especially tax filings. The willingness of the New York Times to publish them, and the willingness of the Clinton campaign to exploit them, says more about the ideology of those entities than it does about Donald Trump’s business interests.

The Trump Campaign Responds:



https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/02/new-york-times-publishes-tax-returns-of-a-private-citizen-in-shallow-attempt-to-assist-hillary-clinton/

[kevindavis007]

Maybe Trump should have released his tax returns during the primaries..

[sneakypete]

In the interests of fairness and balance,they should now post Bubba's,Bubbette!'s,and Bubbette! Jrs tax returns.

Maybe even splain how Bubbette! and Bubba went from "broke" according to her when they left the WH,to having more than 200 million now.

Not to mention how Bubbette! Jr with nothing but a lame-ass BS degree in history and no actual work history at all now has a net worth of around 30 million,IIRC.

Yeah,we know she has had two 6-figure "No-Show" jobs since graduating from college and now works for the family carnival,but WHAT actually qualifies her to pull in that kind of salary?

[sneakypete]

Maybe Trump should have released his tax returns during the primaries..

@kevindavis

Donald Little Hands is in a bind,here. No doubt he never thought he would last long enough for this to become an issue when he announced he was running,and now the self-described "business guru" is in the uncomfortable position of having to give proof he is one of the most incompetent businessmen in history when he does release them. Unlike his hints that he is such a smart businessman he can legally avoid paying taxes,he is a freaking dummy who lose over 900 million in one year.

THAT is why he doesn't want to release them.

[kjam22]

Maybe Trump should have released his tax returns during the primaries..

It was crazy to think that anyone who had never been elected to a political office of any sort could defeat the Clinton machine.  And Trump is a gold mine for the Clinton group.   If he had released his returns in the primary.... they would just have something else to destroy him with at this point.   

[kevindavis007]

@kevindavis

Donald Little Hands is in a bind,here. No doubt he never thought he would last long enough for this to become an issue when he announced he was running,and now the self-described "business guru" is in the uncomfortable position of having to give proof he is one of the most incompetent businessmen in history when he does release them. Unlike his hints that he is such a smart businessman he can legally avoid paying taxes,he is a freaking dummy who lose over 900 million in one year.

THAT is why he doesn't want to release them.

@sneakypete


Exactly..  A true smart businessman would not have lose 900 million in one year.  I knew this was going to happen.. My gut feeling told me that this was going to happen.. This is going to hurt Donald with the blue collar vote. But I could be wrong.

[kjam22]

@kevindavis

Donald Little Hands is in a bind,here. No doubt he never thought he would last long enough for this to become an issue when he announced he was running,and now the self-described "business guru" is in the uncomfortable position of having to give proof he is one of the most incompetent businessmen in history when he does release them. Unlike his hints that he is such a smart businessman he can legally avoid paying taxes,he is a freaking dummy who lose over 900 million in one year.

THAT is why he doesn't want to release them.

His worshipers will explain that he intentionally lost the 900 in one year so he could avoid paying taxes for the next 18 years.   A brilliant move they will say....     

[kevindavis007]

It was crazy to think that anyone who had never been elected to a political office of any sort could defeat the Clinton machine.  And Trump is a gold mine for the Clinton group.   If he had released his returns in the primary.... they would just have something else to destroy him with at this point.

I agree and they have more..

[bolobaby]

So when people were floating copies of Obama's "birth certificate" before he officially released it, was Sundance up in arms over the violation of privacy?

Please. Trump is running for president. Of someone leaked Hillary's medical records, I wouldn't complain despite it being a serious HIPAA violation.

But it embarrasses the Orange God, so...

[bolobaby]

His worshipers will explain that he intentionally lost the 900 in one year so he could avoid paying taxes for the next 18 years.   A brilliant move they will say....     

Six dimensional tax chess!

[sneakypete]

His worshipers will explain that he intentionally lost the 900 in one year so he could avoid paying taxes for the next 18 years.   A brilliant move they will say....     

@kjam22

You have to admire people who self-identify themselves as stupid  because it saves the rest of us the trouble.

[LMAO]

Trump should look at the bright side of this.

Few people read the NYT's anyways

[Neverdul]

If Trump had released his tax returns during the primaries and had tax experts and his surrogates explain that there is nothing illegal or unusual about using carry forward losses, he would have taken some heat for it, but it would have mostly gone away and this would not be a story now.

But IMO it is the nearly 916 million dollars in business losses in the mid 90’s that Trump didn’t want people to know about. The bad investments he made in the casinos, the airline, the Plaza Hotel deal.

It goes against his image as a brilliant business person and of his net worth.

When Donald Trump was “roasted” on Comedy Central in 2011, no jokes were off limit except for one:

ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump's hair
ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump's wife Melania (and his two previous marriages)
ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump having sex with models
ALLOWED: Jokes about the failure of Trump Steaks, Trump Water, Trump Cologne, and other Trump products
ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump's failed casinos
ALLOWED: Jokes about how Trump only became successful thanks to his wealthy father
ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump's weight
ALLOWED: Jokes about Trump being attracted to his daughter Ivanka
NOT ALLOWED: Any joke that suggests Trump is not actually as wealthy as he claims to be

http://www.vulture.com/2016/08/donald-trump-roast-off-limits-joke.html

https://www.good.is/articles/donald-trump-comedy-central

It is all about Trump’s ego. Yes “jokes” about him wanting to have sex with his daughter, jokes about his sex life, jokes about his current wife Melania being a mail order bride and or a prostitute were all OK but jokes about him not being as wealthy as he’s claimed to be - NO!

[mountaineer]

In the interests of fairness and balance,they should now post Bubba's,Bubbette!'s,and Bubbette! Jrs tax returns.

Maybe even splain how Bubbette! and Bubba went from "broke" according to her when they left the WH,to having more than 200 million now.

Not to mention how Bubbette! Jr with nothing but a lame-ass BS degree in history and no actual work history at all now has a net worth of around 30 million,IIRC.

Yeah,we know she has had two 6-figure "No-Show" jobs since graduating from college and now works for the family carnival,but WHAT actually qualifies her to pull in that kind of salary?

[LMAO]

In the interests of fairness and balance,they should now post Bubba's,Bubbette!'s,and Bubbette! Jrs tax returns.

Maybe even splain how Bubbette! and Bubba went from "broke" according to her when they left the WH,to having more than 200 million now.

Not to mention how Bubbette! Jr with nothing but a lame-ass BS degree in history and no actual work history at all now has a net worth of around 30 million,IIRC.

Yeah,we know she has had two 6-figure "No-Show" jobs since graduating from college and now works for the family carnival,but WHAT actually qualifies her to pull in that kind of salary?

It's the NYT's

You'll be waiting a very very long time for "fairness and balance"

[mountaineer]

Joe Walsh
‏@WalshFreedom

#NYTimes said they had to break the law cuz there was a public interest.

They never said that when it came to Obama's college transcripts.

[LMAO]

Joe Walsh
‏@WalshFreedom

#NYTimes said they had to break the law cuz there was a public interest.

They never said that when it came to Obama's college transcripts.

@mountaineer

Regardless of how one feels about Trump, the news media has been more agenda driven this election cycle than others. And, although these returns could be damaging to Trump, I agree the NYT's had no business releasing them the way they did.

[aligncare]

Two points.

Could Mr. Trump have released his tax returns under audit? Yes.

Would any tax attorney worth his fee have allowed him to do so? An emphatic, NO.

Secondly. Every large real estate developer operates under similar tax structure and tax incentives as Mr. Trump and may also show many years in which they have no tax liability. That's the way politicians set up our tax system – carrot and stick, reward and punishment for financial behaviors.

NeverTrump and the democrat media should get a grip – but, of course, as we've seen now for 16 months, for political and emotional reasons, they can't.

[sinkspur]

So, four years ago, Republicans were defending Romney's statement that lots of middle-class taxpayers paid no taxes.

And now, Rudy and Christie are defending a billionaire businessman paying no taxes.

[XenaLee]

So, four years ago, Republicans were defending Romney's statement that lots of middle-class taxpayers paid no taxes.

And now, Rudy and Christie are defending a billionaire businessman paying no taxes.

And nothing has changed....despite eight years of the worst economy this nation has seen since the Great Depression.  The Democrats are still playing the GOPers like a badly tuned fiddle.  And a la Charlie Sheen style....."Winning!".

[mountaineer]

Why would any of us principled conservatives want someone to pay more in taxes than the law requires?

[EasyAce]

"Private citizen," my ass. Leaving aside the point that Donaldus Minimus has had to be
pulled from spotlights with his teeth still making marks in them for most of his adult
life, he ceased to be a mere private citizen when he threw himself into the ring for the
presidential nomination. That's not to say that that's a good thing. Personally,
I'd be all in favour of candidates' tax returns being nobody else's bloody business.

That said, I remain with Frank Chodorov: Taxation is nothing more than organised,
sanctioned robbery, and there the subject ought to be dropped. Of all the reasons
I can think of to wish Donaldus Minimus be kept away from the White House, his taxes
or the lack thereof would be extremely low on the list. And, of all the reasons I can
think of to wish Hilarious Rodent Clinton be kept away from the White House, her
taxes---such as the million-dollar tax break she's alleged to have gotten got when,
of the $1.42 million she made in charitable donations, $1 million of it went to the Clinton
Foundation (ho ho ho)---would be extremely low on the list.

Even if both of them, when all is said and done, have enough Leona Helmsley in them
to believe, most likely, that only us little people pay taxes.

[sinkspur]

Why would any of us principled conservatives want someone to pay more in taxes than the law requires?

Better ask Trump:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  23 Feb 2012
HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling govt debt.

[XenaLee]

Why would any of us principled conservatives want someone to pay more in taxes than the law requires?

That's.....not the point.  Not even close.

Point is.....these two New York liberals have both bleated the "tax the rich more" mantra.  They both claim that ""the rich"" (used to be anyone making over $250k/year) are not paying their "fair share".  And both have a major credibility issue.  This is just another part of the vetting process that should have been done BEFORE .....during the primaries.  By now, it's just a matter of folks deciding which one is the less credible and the most dishonest. 

In my logic book, they're on an even par with each other in that category.  Neither are honest, credible or worthy of the highest office in the land.

[ABX]

That's.....not the point.  Not even close.

Point is.....these two New York liberals have both bleated the "tax the rich more" mantra.  They both claim that ""the rich"" (used to be anyone making over $250k/year) are not paying their "fair share".  And both have a major credibility issue.  This is just another part of the vetting process that should have been done BEFORE .....during the primaries.  By now, it's just a matter of folks deciding which one is the less credible and the most dishonest. 

In my logic book, they're on an even par with each other in that category.  Neither are honest, credible or worthy of the highest office in the land.

That is another good point. Not long after this bailout (he has had more bailouts than GM) he was calling for a wealth tax to pay down the debt.



BUT, as I pointed out in a few posts, this isn't about his avoiding taxes or even losing money, it is about every single attack he claims to have, it generally is worse for himself. He talks about others being owned by Wall Street, the Saudis, and Soros, but the amount of money they provided him in bailouts is staggering.

It also shows, as others mentioned, he isn't that great of a business man after all, he has been riding on his name and leveraging his properties. From at least 1988 until 2008, his business strategy is to run up as much debt as possible and then either go bankrupt or get bailed out.

We don't like government bailouts- he was bailed out in 1990 for billions.

In 1995, after once again running up almost a billion in debt, he gets bailed out by Saudi Arabia.

In 2008, after a devastating loss on his far over-leveraged Chicago property, he is bailed out to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars (up to a billion) by George Soros.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I've been warning for over a year this would come to light and hurt him.

So who owns Trump again? 

Based on his business history, how is he going to bail out the US debt? Ask for money from the Chinese or Saudis?